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Title: Why Christians Should Not Pray for the Troops
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URL Source: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/01 ... hould-not-pray-for-the-troops/
Published: Jan 14, 2020
Author: Laurence M. Vance
Post Date: 2020-01-14 09:53:02 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 491
Comments: 17

Some years ago I gave my expression to my own feeling – anti-patriotic feeling, it will doubtless be called – in a somewhat startling way. It was at the time of the second Afghan war, when, in pursuance of what were thought to be “our interests,” we were invading Afghanistan. News had come that some of our troops were in danger. At the Athenæum Club a well-known military man – then a captain but now a general – drew my attention to a telegram containing this news, and read it to me in a manner implying the belief that I should share his anxiety. I astounded him by replying – ‘When men hire themselves out to shoot other men to order, asking nothing about the justice of their cause, I don’t care if they are shot themselves.’” ~ Herbert Spencer (1820-1903)

If you skipped over the quotation from Herbert Spencer, then go back and read it. If you just skimmed the quotation, then go back and read it carefully. If you read it all the way through, then go back and read it again.

“When men hire themselves out to shoot other men to order, asking nothing about the justice of their cause, I don’t care if they are shot themselves.” These are harsh words. Most—probably a great majority of—Americans think that this is a despicable attitude to have about U.S. soldiers. You know, the ones who “serve” us, keep us safe, preserve our freedoms, “support and defend” the Constitution, keep us from having to speak a foreign language, and fight “over there” so we don’t have to fight “over here.”

There are almost 50,000 U.S. military personnel in the Persian Gulf region and tens of thousands more military contractors. There are 35 U.S. military bases that surround Iran.

More U.S. troops are now being deployed to the Middle East after President Trump’s foolish act of state terrorism in ordering the political assassination of Iran’s Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani. According to military.com, in the days since the Jan. 3 drone strike that took out Soleimani, “roughly 9,000 conventional troops have been deployed to the Middle East, ranging from Marines on amphibious ships to Army Rangers and paratroopers.” “We’re going to war, bro,” cheered a young soldier of the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, while he held up two thumbs and grinned.

I have already heard, and heard reports of, conservative Christians expressing the opinion that we should pray for the troops being deployed to the Middle East. We should pray for their safety, pray that they be kept out of harm’s way, pray that they avenge the attacks on the American embassy in Iraq, pray that they neutralize the threats to the United States, and pray that they get the terrorists before they get us.

A more shameful prayer has never been uttered.

U.S. soldiers are invaders, occupiers, destroyers, aggressors, and killers. As a conservative Christian, I cannot in good conscience pray for their safety or the success of their mission. And I fail to see how any Christian can.

The fact that U.S. troops are young and dumb, just obeying orders, are ignorant of U.S. military interventions for the past 200 years, don’t draft the rules of engagement, don’t make U.S. foreign policy, can’t just quit their job, don’t get to vote on whether the United States should intervene militarily, or just joined the military because they couldn’t find a job is immaterial.

Christians should not pray for the safety or the mission of the troops when they fight unnecessary, immoral, offensive, unjust, foreign wars.

Christians should not pray for the safety or the mission of the troops when they intervene militarily based on lies.

Christians should not pray for the safety or the mission of the troops when they fight “in a region and in a string of backwater countries that have virtually no bearing on homeland security, safety and liberty?”

Christians should not pray for the safety or the mission of the troops when help carry out a reckless, belligerent, and meddling U.S. foreign policy.

Christians should not pray for the safety or the mission of the troops when they fight against a country that is “zero threat to the American homeland.”

Doing these things is like praying for a member of a criminal gang or the Mafia while they “shake down” a store owner, “send a message” to a rival, or commit acts of violence.

A military uniform does not magically transform evil into good.

But does not the Bible say that “supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; (1 Timothy 2:1)?

Okay then, if you want to pray for the troops, then here are some things you can pray for:

Pray that they stop fighting immoral and unjust wars.
Pray that they don’t make widows and orphans.
Pray that they stop killing civilians.
Pray that they stop being a pawn of the Pentagon.
Pray that they engage in defense and not offense.
Pray that they stop intervening in other countries.
Pray that they stop serving as the president’s personnel attack force.
Pray that they cease being a global force for evil.
Pray that they stop policing the world.
Pray that they don’t reenlist.
Pray that they come home, permanently.

And especially for now, pray that they will have the moral courage to say enough is enough, I refuse to deploy to another country and fight for Uncle Sam.

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#1. To: Ada, 4, NeoconsNailed, Cynicom, Pinguinite, Former or Current US Servicemen (#0)

This essay is the kind of thread which could have a thousand posts at a larger forum (yeah, like FR or Breitbart.)

If you check it out, in it the accomplished author (Laurence M. Vance) engages in *some* absolute truths -- but also a litany of half-truths, and...troubling embarrassing claims and lies which demonstrate a sickening lack of empathy and understanding of those who've served in the US military.

(TO THOSE WHO *HAVE* SERVED, WHAT SAY YOU?)

Would alleged "Christian" author, Laurence M. Vance, NOT "pray" for the the Lord's protection of *his* son in a war zone? OR for HIS nephew? HIS grandson??

Haven't U.S. soldiers always believed what they are told -- that their mission, their obligation, and their honor as well as nation's honor and safety are what's at stake?

How can any blame be put to those honorable U.S. troops and servicemen who've been told they "serve" America -- with righteousness and honor? Why is it their fault that they might have been duped or used as tools to support the bloody lies and dark motives of the Globalist ruling class and the Military/Industrial Complex?

I believe the author is way outta line.

FACT: A vast super majority of all American fighting forces have *always* believed they are righteously "protecting" America and Americans back home...AND battling "evil."

But because they have been programmed to believe their President, their Govt, their history books, their commanders, their dads (that the above is indeed THE case -- much like 95% of those American troops in WW1, WW2, Korea and Vietnam), why on earth would we NOT "pray" for The Almighty to ensure the safety of our sons? AND for "success" of their mission?

Okay then, if you want to pray for the troops, then here are some things you can pray for:

Pray that they stop fighting immoral and unjust wars.
Pray that they don’t make widows and orphans.
Pray that they stop killing civilians.
Pray that they stop being a pawn of the Pentagon.
Pray that they engage in defense and not offense.
Pray that they stop intervening in other countries.
Pray that they stop serving as the president’s personnel attack force.
Pray that they cease being a global force for evil.
Pray that they stop policing the world.
Pray that they don’t reenlist.
Pray that they come home, permanently.

MUCH better.

I get the author's frustration with US Military Interventionism...

BUT... he still doesn't understand the full situation given the Elites' propaganda machine, programming & mind-control manipulation that's affected us ALL.

Liberator  posted on  2020-01-14   13:25:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Liberator (#1)

why on earth would we NOT "pray" for The Almighty to ensure the safety of our sons? AND for "success" of their mission?

Uh, why should we pray for the success of their mission when the mission cannot be justified? And is the safety of our sons more important than the safety of the people they are shooting at?

Ada  posted on  2020-01-14   13:33:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ada (#2) (Edited)

Uh, why should we pray for the success of their mission when the mission cannot be justified?

Where do you stand in the case of NOT knowing exactly what any particular "mission" is?? (the truth is neither one of us knows when/if a mission is "justified.")

All missions are NOT un-justified; some military missions ARE actually righteous and saving others' freedoms and lives in foreign countries.)

Buying into just one premise is tricky.

And is the safety of our sons more important than the safety of the people they are shooting at?

MINE certainly is. Remember -- HE and other sons have been told they are fighting FOR US.

You are entitled to believe in leaving the fate of YOUR son to the whims of the wind and "karma." He deserves the chance to eventually learn the truths of this world.

If our respective son is involved in any mission, a FAILED mission might mean their demise.

You are certainly entitled to pray *against* the safety of your son; to question his morality and ethics to be there in the first place.

But at the same time, whatever the mission they are assigned is NOT our sons' call.

Liberator  posted on  2020-01-14   13:51:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Liberator (#3)

MINE certainly is. Remember -- HE and other sons have been told they are fighting FOR US.

You are entitled to believe in leaving the fate of YOUR son to the whims of the wind and "karma." He deserves the chance to eventually learn the truths of this world.

If our respective son is involved in any mission, a FAILED mission might mean their demise.

You are certainly entitled to pray *against* the safety of your son; to question his morality and ethics to be there in the first place.

But at the same time, whatever the mission they are assigned is NOT our sons' call.

Our sons are required not to commit war crimes or to obey an illegal order. Their officers cannot be depended on to inform them so they must determine for themselves whether what they are doing is right or wrong.

(My son saw combat in Iraq and was nominated for the Silver Star. Simply put, some Iraqis fired on his platoon and he fired back. However, if he had been shot, I would not have blamed the Iraqis who were defending their homes and country but I would have held Bush 43 and Dick Cheney responsible.)

Ada  posted on  2020-01-14   14:44:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ada (#5)

Our sons are required not to commit war crimes or to obey an illegal order.

Who said anything about that??

Their officers cannot be depended on to inform them so they must determine for themselves whether what they are doing is right or wrong.

AND...JUST how would the troops know whether "war crime" is being committed? OR, "illegal order" given by a Commander? Mai Lai was over a half-century ago.

(My son saw combat in Iraq and was nominated for the Silver Star. Simply put, some Iraqis fired on his platoon and he fired back.

Did your son volunteer to serve? (and why?) Did he fulfill his duty and mission as part of the US military? Did he have definitive foreknowledge and a guarantee that his mission was "justified"? (The point is: THAT determination is near-impossible while in the field.)

However, if he had been shot, I would not have blamed the Iraqis who were defending their homes and country but I would have held Bush 43 and Dick Cheney responsible.)

Did you hope for or pray for his safety? OR, did you hope for and wish his mission -- whatever it was -- failed?

Btw -- If any "blame" is assigned to anyone for service/war casualties, it should be at the feet of Moloch or Satan. OR in the interim -- I could go with BOTH Bushes, Cheney, Bubba, 0bama, LBJ, Wilson, etal while we're at it.

Liberator  posted on  2020-01-15   10:05:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#10. To: Liberator (#7)

AND...JUST how would the troops know whether "war crime" is being committed? OR, "illegal order" given by a Commander? Mai Lai was over a half-century ago.

Wasn't it a helicopter pilot who recognized Lt. Calley's order to slaughter the civilians was a war crime? Wasn't that difficult a call although I can appreciate there is sometimes a fine line just as there is with police shootings.

(My son saw combat in Iraq and was nominated for the Silver Star. Simply put, some Iraqis fired on his platoon and he fired back.

Did your son volunteer to serve? (and why?) Did he fulfill his duty and mission as part of the US military? Did he have definitive foreknowledge and a guarantee that his mission was "justified"? (The point is: THAT determination is near-impossible while in the field.)

Not exactly. He was National Guard who are not supposed to be activated unless the Chinese are on the horizon. Volunteering for the Guard means being put to use in disasters or, in his case, patrolling the streets of lower Manhattan after 9/11. Be that as it may, his unit was told to go and it went and he looked forward to it. IIRC some in his unit were hoping to be assigned to Afghanistan where they would come up against "real fighters". Its the job of the whole country to decide if a war is justified, not just the military.

However, if he had been shot, I would not have blamed the Iraqis who were defending their homes and country but I would have held Bush 43 and Dick Cheney responsible.)

Did you hope for or pray for his safety? OR, did you hope for and wish his mission -- whatever it was -- failed?

I hoped for his safety just as I would have if he were in a gang of bank robbers and hoped that the mission failed. Actually he was sort of in a gang of thieves.

Btw -- If any "blame" is assigned to anyone for service/war casualties, it should be at the feet of Moloch or Satan. OR in the interim -- I could go with BOTH Bushes, Cheney, Bubba, 0bama, LBJ, Wilson, etal while we're at it.

A bit vague but my point was blame should not be placed on those defending their homes and country.

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