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Title: Who Targeted Ukraine Airlines Flight 752? Iran Shot It Down But There May be More to the Story
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URL Source: https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/who-ta ... here-may-be-more-to-the-story/
Published: Jan 16, 2020
Author: Philip Giraldi
Post Date: 2020-01-16 08:49:52 by Ada
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The claim that Major General Qassem Soleimani was a “terrorist” on a mission to carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill hundreds of Americans turned out to be a lie, so why should one believe anything else relating to recent developments in Iran and Iraq? To be sure, Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752 departing from Tehran’s Imam Khomeini International Airport on the morning of January 8th with 176 passengers and crew on board was shot down by Iranian air defenses, something which the government of the Islamic Republic has admitted, but there just might be considerably more to the story involving cyberwarfare carried out by the U.S. and possibly Israeli governments. To be sure, the Iranian air defenses were on high alert fearing an American attack in the wake of the U.S. government’s assassination of Soleimani on January 3rd followed by a missile strike from Iran directed against two U.S. bases in Iraq. In spite of the tension and the escalation, the Iranian government did not shut down the country’s airspace. Civilian passenger flights were still departing and arriving in Tehran, almost certainly an error in judgment on the part of the airport authorities. Inexplicably, civilian aircraft continued to take off and land even after Flight 752 was shot down. Fifty-seven of the passengers on the flight were Canadians of Iranian descent, leading Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to point the finger both at the Iranian government for its carelessness and also at Washington, observing angrily that the Trump Administration had deliberately and recklessly sought to “escalate tensions” with Iran through an attack near Baghdad Airport, heedless of the impact on travelers and other civilians in the region. What seems to have been a case of bad judgments and human error does, however, include some elements that have yet to be explained. The Iranian missile operator reportedly experienced considerable “jamming” and the planes transponder switched off and stopped transmitting several minutes before the missiles were launched. There were also problems with the communication network of the air defense command, which may have been related. The electronic jamming coming from an unknown source meant that the air defense system was placed on manual operation, relying on human intervention to launch. The human role meant that an operator had to make a quick judgment in a pressure situation in which he had only moments to react. The shutdown of the transponder, which would have automatically signaled to the operator and Tor electronics that the plane was civilian, instead automatically indicated that it was hostile. The operator, having been particularly briefed on the possibility of incoming American cruise missiles, then fired. The two missiles that brought the plane down came from a Russian-made system designated SA-15 by NATO and called Tor by the Russians. Its eight missiles are normally mounted on a tracked vehicle. The system includes both radar to detect and track targets as well as an independent launch system, which includes an Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) system functionality capable of reading call signs and transponder signals to prevent accidents. Given what happened on that morning in Tehran, it is plausible to assume that something or someone deliberately interfered with both the Iranian air defenses and with the transponder on the airplane, possibly as part of an attempt to create an aviation accident that would be attributed to the Iranian government. The SA-15 Tor defense system used by Iran has one major vulnerability. It can be hacked or “spoofed,” permitting an intruder to impersonate a legitimate user and take control. The United States Navy and Air Force reportedly have developed technologies “that can fool enemy radar systems with false and deceptively moving targets.” Fooling the system also means fooling the operator. The Guardian has also reported independently how the United States military has long been developing systems that can from a distance alter the electronics and targeting of Iran’s available missiles. The same technology can, of course, be used to alter or even mask the transponder on a civilian airliner in such a fashion as to send false information about identity and location. The United States has the cyber and electronic warfare capability to both jam and alter signals relating to both airliner transponders and to the Iranian air defenses. Israel presumably has the same ability. Joe Quinn at Sott.net also notes an interested back story to those photos and video footage that have appeared in the New York Times and elsewhere showing the Iranian missile launch, the impact with the plane and the remains after the crash, to include the missile remains. They appeared on January 9th, in an Instagram account called ‘Rich Kids of Tehran‘. Quinn asks how the Rich Kids happened to be in “a low-income housing estate on the city’s outskirts [near the airport] at 6 a.m. on the morning of January 8th with cameras pointed at the right part of the sky in time to capture a missile hitting a Ukrainian passenger plane…?” Put together the Rich Kids and the possibility of electronic warfare and it all suggests a premeditated and carefully planned event of which the Soleimani assassination was only a part. There have been riots in Iran subsequent to the shooting down of the plane, blaming the government for its ineptitude. Some of the people in the street are clearly calling for the goal long sought by the United States and Israel, i.e. “regime change.” If nothing else, Iran, which was widely seen as the victim in the killing of Soleimani, is being depicted in much of the international media as little more than another unprincipled actor with blood on its hands. There is much still to explain about the downing of Ukrainian International Airlines Flight 752.
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#1. To: Ada, 4 (#0)
Enough. He should have been dispatched decades ago. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
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I doubt that 2% of Americans ever heard of him before last week.
It was unfortunate he never left Iran until he was pin pointed arriving in Baghdad. But they sure killed him dead, that is for certain. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
And why in the aitch would that be. How was he affecting us? _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
And why in the aitch would that be. How was he affecting us? Best answered by some young men that came back ruined for life. One thing they understand quite well...Trump did not take us there and is trying to get us out. Speak with them for a personal answer, having been there.
He should have been dispatched decades ago. For what reason? Assassination is just a fancy word for murder. You mean those poor ISIS fighters that he led the fight against? But we're raping Iran, Cyni. Is ameriKan rape righteous? Our young men won't get ruined over there if they'll stop enlisting. It was their choice. America was not born to garrison parts of the worlds we left behind. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
I hadn't. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Indeed. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Think that thru with past history as a background. Zero young men enlist...There would be an automatic DRAFT. Draft or no draft it would be exactly the same young men that would be taken. As usual, primarily the poor and the uneducated. The only difference is, drafted they pay you little for risking your life, volunteer force, they have to pay better. Youth have little choice if they are poor and uneducated. WWII around 90 per cent of those killed were 21 and under. Kids.
Thing is, the guy didn't lead attacks against Americans, he led attacks against ISIS in Syria and Iraq. I think we can clearly see why he was offed. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
As soon as the Iranian military went on high alert, all civilian air traffic should have been halted. That was their first mistake. At minimum, once they experienced apparent electronic interference, THEN all civilian aircraft should have been grounded. Additionally, civilian air traffic control should have direct links to military air defense units to inform them of civilian air traffic whenever those units are on any type of alert. I'd fault those who made the decision to allow civilian air travel to continue as if nothing were going on before I'd blame the guy who launched the missiles. Unfortunately that could very well be the case. Exactly! And this is the thanks he gets? Report: Trump Killed Soleimani to Appease Pro-Israel GOP War Hawks Important to Impeachment Trial _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Right, and they died expressly because their age group never has enough life experience to see that WAR IS A RACKET ratical.org/ratville/ CAH/warisaracket.html Pretty sad response, Cyni. You'd really hate it if peace broke out and we could close the DOD -- wouldn't you? I think you would not feel comfortable if we weren't invading and raping. _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
I often remind my friends here that use of the word "you" is accusatory in nature unless accompanied by modifiers. Most dictionaries explain it as such. As for war..There are no good wars and I and few of my friends have any say as to whether we participate. Every person that oays their taxes as obligated by law UNDERSTANDS THEY ARE FULLY SUPPORTING OUR SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT, The taxpayer pays their taxes because they do not want to go to prison. There is where their condemnation of war should begin, refuse to pay taxes, stand up for freedom and common decency. Mr. Taxpayer pays his taxes and I being 18, poor and uneducated,have a choice, volunteer or be drafted with money supplied by virtuous law abiding taxpayers, that have not the stomach to refuse money to government. When Clinton was President, I attended my last mass commemoration for fallen comrades, at NSA HQ in Washington. There were near a thousand of us in attendance. All of us had been been there, did that, survived, taken by a government fully supported and funded by taxpayers that dutifully and willingly paid their taxes to fund a war of killing.
No doubt in my mind about that. This was a monumental foul up and it cost innocent lives. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Pardon my "FRENCH" but FUCKING RIGHT ON" ! The U.S. FEDERAL (RESERVE BANK OWNED) Government does not represent America or American values. It is a slush funded invasion of our liberty while it murders innocent people around the world without a conscience. http://ustvgo.tv/one-america-news-network/ "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. " The best thing about old age is that it doesn't last forever.
I think they will quit enlisting because there are jobs available that don't require committing murder. (Unless one is a sick fuck, or a bamboozled moron that thinks killing is Patriotic, there would surely be less volunteers). http://ustvgo.tv/one-america-news-network/ "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. " The best thing about old age is that it doesn't last forever.
Morons... Take a good look at "McNamaras Morons". The military condemned McNamara and Johnson. Those two bastards took kids that were retarded to fill the ranks because"""the bastards did not dare take the well connected and educated". Those kids died twice as fast as those mentally acceptable.
ROFL! Oh boy, you've got their number >:-D
_____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
You're the one making the statements, shall I address you in the 3rd person? ;)
_____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
No doubt. Even the movie Forrest Gump shows this. But Gump did not get killed. He got the Medal of Honor. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
I had two liens from the IRS in the town I lived when driving the big truck. They totaled over $7,000 together. I had these credit repair lawyers from Salt Lake City (Lexington Law) challenge the IRS. They could not prove I owed the tax and were forced to withdraw the liens. My Credit Karma used to say "2" for Public Filings. Now it says "0". The proof is in the pudding. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Outstanding, B! People have no notion of resisting the tax goons -- and a little can go so far. Hope the lawyers didn't charge much. I have a friend who's safely bailed from 18k in CC debt -- she simply demanded the lenders produce the original contract and they couldn't. Another friend took out a loan for $25 and (am I repeating myself again) stiffed it on the same basis ;) _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
The claim that Major General Qassem Soleimani was a “terrorist” on a mission to carry out an “imminent” attack that would kill hundreds of Americans turned out to be a lie...
#2. To: Ada (#0)
#3. To: Lod (#1)
He should have been dispatched decades ago.
#4. To: Lod (#1)
He should have been dispatched decades ago.
#5. To: Lod (#1)
He should have been dispatched decades ago.
#6. To: NeoconsNailed (#5)
He should have been dispatched decades ago.
#7. To: Lod (#1)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination 
#8. To: Cynicom (#6)
Best answered by some young men that came back ruined for life.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#9. To: Cynicom (#6)
#10. To: Ada (#3)
I doubt that 2% of Americans ever heard of him before last week.
#11. To: Cynicom (#6)
Trump did not take us there and is trying to get us out.
#12. To: NeoconsNailed (#9)
Our young men won't get ruined over there if they'll stop enlisting. It was their choice. America was not born to garrison parts of the worlds we left behind.
#13. To: NeoconsNailed (#9)
Our young men won't get ruined over there if they'll stop enlisting.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#14. To: FormerLurker (#13)
the guy didn't lead attacks against Americans, he led attacks against ISIS in Syria and Iraq.
#15. To: Ada (#0)
The electronic jamming coming from an unknown source meant that the air defense system was placed on manual operation, relying on human intervention to launch. The human role meant that an operator had to make a quick judgment in a pressure situation in which he had only moments to react. The shutdown of the transponder, which would have automatically signaled to the operator and Tor electronics that the plane was civilian, instead automatically indicated that it was hostile. The operator, having been particularly briefed on the possibility of incoming American cruise missiles, then fired.
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#16. To: BTP Holdings (#14)
I think we can clearly see why he was offed. ;)
"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination
#17. To: FormerLurker (#13)
#18. To: Cynicom (#12)
WWII around 90 per cent of those killed were 21 and under. Kids.
#19. To: NeoconsNailed (#18)
Pretty sad response, Cyni. You'd really hate it if peace broke out and we could close the DOD -- wouldn't you? I think you would not feel comfortable if we weren't invading and raping.
#20. To: FormerLurker (#15)
I'd fault those who made the decision to allow civilian air travel to continue as if nothing were going on before I'd blame the guy who launched the missiles.
#21. To: Cynicom (#19)
There is where their condemnation of war should begin, refuse to pay taxes, stand up for freedom and common decency.
#22. To: NeoconsNailed (#9)
if they'll stop enlisting.
#23. To: noone222 (#22)
I think they will quit enlisting because there are jobs available that don't require committing murder. (Unless one is a sick fuck, or a bamboozled moron that thinks killing is Patriotic, there would surely be less volunteers).
#24. To: noone222 (#22)
#25. To: Cynicom (#19)
#26. To: Cynicom (#23)
Those kids died twice as fast as those mentally acceptable.
#27. To: Cynicom, noone222 (#19)
refuse to pay taxes
#28. To: BTP Holdings (#27)
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