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Title: U.S. Televangelist To Launch Christian Pro-israel Lobby
Source: Haaretz
URL Source: http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/701583.html
Published: Apr 2, 2006
Author: Shlomo Shamir
Post Date: 2006-04-02 19:56:10 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 1728
Comments: 104

NEW YORK - Televangelist John Hagee told Jewish community leaders over the weekend that the 40 million evangelical Christians in the United States support Israel and that he plans to utilize this power to help Israel by launching a Christian pro-Israel lobby.

The lobby, called Christians United for Israel, is slated to launch in July, during a Washington conference in which hundreds of American evangelicals are slated to participate, Hagee said at a meeting of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, which represents 52 national Jewish groups. He also discussed the lobby with Israel's consul general in New York, Aryeh Mekel.

Hagee said his group would be a Christian - and more powerful - version of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), a large pro-Israel lobby, and would target senators and congressmen on Capitol Hill. A quarter of congressmen are evangelicals, and many American legislators represent regions that include a large evangelical population, he said.

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Hagee - the founder and senior pastor of the evangelical Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, that claims an active membership of more than 18,000 - said the lobby's activities would be a "political earthquake."

In his meeting with Mekel, Hagee said he planned to establish an effective network of key activists across the United States who can be reached within 24 hours if necessary for emergency lobbying efforts. He said he has already appointed 12 regional directors who are to be responsible for lobby activities in their areas and that he plans to appoint representatives in every state and major city.

Hagee also said he would head a delegation of 500 evangelicals slated to visit Israel this summer.

"The evangelical population's support of Israel is very important," said Mekel yesterday.

The Israeli ambassador to the United States, Danny Ayalon, responded in a similar fashion while discussing the new lobby in February.

"We see Christians in the United States as true friends and important supporters on the basis of shared values, and we welcome their efforts to strengthen the ties between Israel and the U.S.," Ayalon said at the time.

Anti-Defamation League director Abe Foxman was a bit more cautious. He said Hagee's project should be welcomed, but added that Jews and Israelis should be both respectful and wary. Foxman noted that Hagee told the Conference of Presidents that the evangelical support Israel from a biblical perspective, but did not explain exactly what he meant.

Rabbi James Rudin, author of "The Baptizing of America: The Religious Right's Plans for the Rest of Us," said Sunday that Hagee - one of 20 evangelical leaders who met with Ariel Sharon during his last trip to Washington - has been known for many years as an enthusiastic advocate of Israel, and is a typical right-wing Christian supporter of the country.

Some 400 Christian community leaders met in San Antonio in February to establish the lobby. Other than Hagee, its leaders include evangelist George Morrison; fundamentalist Baptist minister Jerry Falwell; and Gary Bauer, president of the American Values organization aimed at protecting marriage, family and faith. All are well-known supporters of Israel, and considered hawkish.

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#64. To: Jethro Tull, diana (#59)

Take him Salmon fishing, Diana. I've always wanted to do that.

We were somewhere around Homer and looked in to the streams there. It, to me was quite strange, seeing all those huge fish there.

I am pretty sure I have been in all fifty states. Some just an interstate ride through. My relaitives ask me what's the best state.

I say I like Utah, but Alaska is off the scale. It is a whole nother question - does not compute.

tom007  posted on  2006-12-02   22:00:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Jethro Tull, tom007 (#59)

Take him Salmon fishing, Diana. I've always wanted to do that.

This time of year I would take him smelting which is fun, and the smelts are tasty, you can even eat the bones which have lots of calcium.

This is a good area to live in case of food shortages, as there is always food to be found in the wilds.

Diana  posted on  2006-12-02   22:00:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Jethro Tull (#58)

They threw a party when I left. As did I.

Are you saying you walked away from your life with a "party?"

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-12-02   22:00:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: tom007 (#64)

I'd really, really like to see that.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-12-02   22:01:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: buckeroo (#66)

No, no, no.....I began a new chapter of the same life.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-12-02   22:02:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: buckeroo, Jethro Tull, tom007 (#60)

Buck you and JT can come smelting too!

Diana  posted on  2006-12-02   22:04:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: tom007 (#64)

I say I like Utah, but Alaska is off the scale. It is a whole nother question - does not compute.

It's almost like another country, especially out here. No chain stores, and in the villages the Eskimos mostly speak Yupik.

Diana  posted on  2006-12-02   22:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Diana (#62)

Really?! That is surprising to hear, since they won't even drink coffee.

I agree with that - surprising. The hard core Morman's believe their high priest ascends to a special place at the top of one of the towers of the tabernacle in SLC.

There, in a sanctified ritual, he is belived to communicate DIRECTLY with G-d.

And his admomishmonts and revalations from G-d are found difficult to live up to.

Hence the guilt and pharmas.

The folks I camped with had no hang ups, so as always it is a generalization.

tom007  posted on  2006-12-02   22:07:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Diana (#69)

I have a fishing pole I bought at Wal-Mart.

If there anything tiny I can catch up there?

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-12-02   22:09:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Jethro Tull (#68)

What life do you have, JT? So far all I see is a loser about you. Everything about you is a crying shame. You are lucky that Christine is here to protect your sorry old ass collecting government pensions and grants.

I won't hurt you anymore. I realize you are way down there upon the socialist love fest cycle of life. You have nothing to say about your life, pal.

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-12-02   22:16:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Diana (#69)

Buck you and JT can come smelting too!

It sounds like a Three Stooges episode, "A smelting we will go."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-12-02   22:17:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Jethro Tull, diana (#67)

'd really, really like to see that.

The big fish in the streams thing is , to me, frekking strange. Yes, five pound fish, (I guess I didn't weigh them), sitting, by the dozens in these small streams. They were orange, It was late August.

I think they had sex and were doomed, (you know the feeling?) or some nasty natural thinggy like that.

Seemed to me like you could spear all you could carry. An Alskan told me the fish folks could come into your house and open your freezers to see if you broke the game laws, which, as I know nothing cannot comment on.

Maybe Diana can illuminate?

tom007  posted on  2006-12-02   22:18:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: buckeroo (#55)

i have no idea what you're talking about. what i posted concerning JT has nothing whatsoever to do with this forum or its management.

christine  posted on  2006-12-02   22:23:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Diana (#57)

it was 35 degrees here in phoenix when I went to work in the morning a few days ago at 6 AM. I don't even have a jacket. Hope it gets back to normal soon.

Psalm 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-12-02   22:24:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: christine (#76)

have no idea what you're talking about. what i posted concerning JT has nothing whatsoever to do with this forum or its management.

What on God's green Earth are you talking about? Just butt out of the discussion, will ya?

your friendly fascist forum owner. -- christine

buckeroo  posted on  2006-12-02   22:27:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: YertleTurtle (#72)

I have a fishing pole I bought at Wal-Mart.

If there anything tiny I can catch up there?

Yes the smelts! You should come up here too!

Diana  posted on  2006-12-02   22:32:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Diana (#79)

Yes the smelts! You should come up here too!

Ya know, you are going to regreat all these invatations when the air fares drop.

You can put me in the barn, I'll smoke all the fish with candles.

tom007  posted on  2006-12-02   22:35:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: buckeroo (#78)

ok. i've had enough of you. you "butt" out of here.

christine  posted on  2006-12-02   22:42:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Diana (#79)

What is a smelt, anyway? With a name like that it sounds...kinda not tasty.

"We become what we behold. We shape our tools and thereafter our tools shape us." -- Marshall McLuhan, after Alexander Pope and William Blake.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-12-02   22:47:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: tom007 (#75)

The big fish in the streams thing is , to me, frekking strange. Yes, five pound fish, (I guess I didn't weigh them), sitting, by the dozens in these small streams. They were orange, It was late August.

I think they had sex and were doomed, (you know the feeling?) or some nasty natural thinggy like that.

An Alskan told me the fish folks could come into your house and open your freezers to see if you broke the game laws, which, as I know nothing cannot comment on.

Maybe Diana can illuminate?

The thing with the salmon around Aug is freaky.

They are large fish, and normally they are silver in color on the outside, and the meat is orange on the inside.

They spawn in the streams, then they swim out into the ocean where they live for several years. Then they come back from the oceans into the streams where they were hatched to die (do they know it is time to die?).

But they sort of start to die when they hit the fresh water, they turn red/orange on the outside, and their heads turn a blackish/green. The meat inside turns white and almost no one eats it when it gets that way, except for some Eskimos. Then when they get to the place they were born they die, and you will find dead salmon all over those areas and the bears and ravens feast on their bodies. They say it smells real bad where they wash up on the river banks. And before they die they mate, the female releases eggs and they get fertilized by the males which drop their sperm sacs.

They have what I call the River Police, people who work for Fish and Game and such and they patrol looking for people who are illegally fishing. Mostly they go after the tourists who come for sports fishing, and they aren't much liked by anybody.

Diana  posted on  2006-12-02   22:49:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: christine (#81)

k. i've had enough of you. you "butt" out of here.

Good call. You gave him soooooo many chances. And he wasn't interested in women's cahsmere clothings, so I say good riddence.

tom007  posted on  2006-12-02   22:49:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: tom007 (#84)

And he wasn't interested in women's cahsmere clothings, so I say good riddence.

LOL!!!!! Tom youre a case!

Zipporah  posted on  2006-12-02   22:50:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: tom007 (#80)

You can put me in the barn, I'll smoke all the fish with candles.

I KNEW you would bring up those candles again, but hey it worked!

Diana  posted on  2006-12-02   22:51:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Diana (#86)

I KNEW you would bring up those candles again, but hey it worked!

I smoke meat for fun, the idea of all the men leaving you to do it, and you comming up with candles..... is hard to forget.

tom007  posted on  2006-12-02   22:53:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: YertleTurtle, potential smelting-party posters (#82)

What is a smelt, anyway? With a name like that it sounds...kinda not tasty.

Smelts are a family, Osmeridae, of small anadromous fish. They are common in the North American Great Lakes, and run in large schools along the coastline during their spring migration to their spawning streams. The family consists of some 16 species in six genera.

The fish usually reach only 6 inches (15 cm) and are a food source for salmon and lake trout. It is one of the few fish that sportsmen are allowed to net, using dip nets, either along the coastline or in the streams. Some sportsmen also ice fish for smelt. Smelt are often fried and eaten whole.

Smelt roe is bright orange in color, and is often used to garnish sushi.

The Boy's Own Book of Outdoor Sports (early 1900s) adds:

In the United States this fish seldom exceeds ten inches in length, and the usual size is from five to eight inches. In South America they can grow to the length of two feet, are semi-transparent, and are most delicious eating.

Diana  posted on  2006-12-02   22:57:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: christine (#81)

ok. i've had enough of you. you "butt" out of here.

i think buck got a little confused about who was in charge here. sometimes the point needs to be reinforced.

I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-12-02   22:57:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: tom007 (#87)

I smoke meat for fun, the idea of all the men leaving you to do it, and you comming up with candles..... is hard to forget.

It was a married couple who are my neighbors, they have a cabin up the lakes and I was keeping their smoke house going for them that weekend while they were gone. That is how you make dry-fish which is similar to jerky.

Diana  posted on  2006-12-02   23:01:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Morgana le Fay, Buckaroo (#89)

Party's over : (

Diana  posted on  2006-12-02   23:08:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Diana (#91)

ponchy will work up the nerve to come over soon. he is the same as buckeroo.

I am just the Liberace of the Internet and no one gives a damn. -- buckeroo

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-12-02   23:26:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Diana (#91)

Party's over : (

Another ones starting soon.

tom007  posted on  2006-12-02   23:57:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Diana, Jethro Tull (#91)

I guess it's going to be quiet on Saturday nights without the brokeback- buckeroo.

but he's a millionaire. and he's got other web sites. and he's got his bottle. so he'll get along.

Psalm 137:1 By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down, yea, we wept, when we remembered Zion.

Red Jones  posted on  2006-12-03   1:23:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Red Jones, christine, Jethro Tull, tom007 (#94)

Is Buckaroo really banned? Permanently?

Diana  posted on  2006-12-03   14:55:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Diana (#95)

I don't really know the answer. I guess time will tell. He hasn't posted since #78. and that drew a comment from christine that did seem to announce his banning.

hope your smelting adventures go well.

call me a communist call me an anarchist! CALL ME A TERRORIST! but don't call me a republican and don't call me a democrat

Red Jones  posted on  2006-12-03   14:58:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Diana (#95)

he was engaging in his normal provocations and silliness for the sake of self- entertainment. he hurled tremendous insults at people routinely. and all I said was 'brokeback-buckeroo'. and he went crazy - and spewed all kinds of obscenity and strong passion.

call me a communist call me an anarchist! CALL ME A TERRORIST! but don't call me a republican and don't call me a democrat

Red Jones  posted on  2006-12-03   15:00:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Red Jones, Jethro Tull, Minerva (#97)

I know it was sort of a weekly thing with him, I hadn't been on here for awhile but when I came on last night I saw it was the same weekend Buckaroo thing with JT and such. It had been going on for quite some time, I thought it was partly in jest, but I guess he has other forums to post on. I think the drinking made him behave the way he did, I'm just surprised he got banned as it takes a lot to get banned here. I seem to remember the broke-back-buckaroo comment from a few weeks ago, and the homo-erotic comments towards JT. Minerva might miss bantering with him a little, that was pretty comical.

Diana  posted on  2006-12-03   15:06:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Diana (#98)

ol' brokeback-buck was pretty harmless once you understood that he was a provocateur who said insulting things for fun. JT and him had fun trading insults. all that's harmless, although some might find it dis-tasteful, especially people who didn't understand brokeback-buck.

my comment about him was mild compared to some of his insults to others. and he went berserk. and I wouldn't have made that comment if he weren't the provocateur that he is. I was just giving him his own medicine.

call me a communist call me an anarchist! CALL ME A TERRORIST! but don't call me a republican and don't call me a democrat

Red Jones  posted on  2006-12-03   15:16:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: Red Jones (#99)

Those threads were a bit entertaining, though the line was crossed a bit at times. JT took it all in stride, he seemed to understand where it was all coming from, as did you.

Diana  posted on  2006-12-03   15:19:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Diana (#100)

and as soon as he went berserk I stopped posting in that incident several weeks ago. I did not flame with him.

nobody who knows buck takes that guy seriously.

I think he's probably a real smart guy - makes I bet an excellent living as a techie just as he says. but he's got issues. (who doesn't) he makes his public though. and when he drinks - he gets out of control.

call me a communist call me an anarchist! CALL ME A TERRORIST! but don't call me a republican and don't call me a democrat

Red Jones  posted on  2006-12-03   15:22:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Diana, buckeroo, christine, Red Jones, Morgana Le Fay, Minerva (#98)

I'd say that telling the hostess/owner of a forum to BACKOFF and butt out of the discussion is taking it over the limit. Considering that buckeroo rarely contributes anything of substance and his visits to the site are mostly limited to Saturday night drunken churlishness, I think that Christine has been unusually accomodating and tolerant.

Nostalgia  posted on  2006-12-03   16:29:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Diana (#100)

Those threads were a bit entertaining, though the line was crossed a bit at times.

I got tired of him propositioning me. He kept sending me PM's saying he was the Liberace of the Internet and asking if I wanted come over a light his candelabra.

I am not AKA Stone.

Trace21231  posted on  2006-12-04   1:59:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Diana, Morgana le Fay, Jethro Tull, christine, farmfriend, EdCondon (#91) (Edited)

wrong thread sorry

Ron Paul for President

robin  posted on  2007-07-31   8:18:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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