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Title: Bush decries border project
Source: The Washington Times
URL Source: http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20050324-122200-6209r.htm
Published: Mar 24, 2005
Author: James G. Lakely
Post Date: 2005-03-24 11:08:51 by Mr Nuke Buzzcut
Keywords: decries, project, border
Views: 1923
Comments: 81

Bush decries border project

By James G. Lakely
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

WACO, Texas ? President Bush yesterday said he opposes a civilian project to monitor illegal aliens crossing the border, characterizing them as "vigilantes."

He said he would pressure Congress to further loosen immigration law.

More than 1,000 people ? including 30 pilots and their private planes ? have volunteered for the Minuteman Project, beginning next month along the Arizona-Mexico border. Civilians will monitor the movement of illegal aliens for the month of April and report them to the Border Patrol.

Mr. Bush said after yesterday's continental summit, with Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin at Baylor University, that he finds such actions unacceptable.

"I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America," Mr. Bush said at a joint press conference. "I'm for enforcing the law in a rational way."

The Minuteman Project was born out of a long-held perception among many residents that more Border Patrol agents are needed to handle the flow of illegal immigrants.

Mr. Bush was criticized by both Republicans and Democrats earlier this month for failing to add 2,000 agents to the Border Patrol, as set out in the intelligence overhaul legislation he signed in December.

The president's 2006 budget allows enough money to add only 210 agents for the U.S. borders with Canada and Mexico.

Mr. Bush said he will "continue to push for reasonable, common-sense immigration policy." He has proposed legislation to grant guest-worker status to millions of illegal aliens already in the United States.

The legislation has attracted scant support in Congress, where it is widely regarded as another amnesty that will encourage even more illegal immigration.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, of Nevada, says Democrats have been willing to work with Mr. Bush, but that first the president must persuade congressmen of his own party to embrace his plan.

"Unfortunately, the right wing of the president's party continues to put forward proposals that neither help make progress towards comprehensive immigration reform, nor help truly protect our borders," Mr. Reid said.

Mr. Fox, who has said he seeks an open border, has applied constant pressure on Mr. Bush to get the guest-worker program through Congress. Mr. Bush has pledged that he will do all he can.

Mr. Fox said yesterday that his country is dedicated to making sure border crossings are legal and orderly. "We discussed the issue of border crossings and how we can protect our borders and be efficient along the border."

The official agenda of the one-day summit was centered on economic matters and the three leaders reached agreement on what they called the establishment of the "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America," designed to build upon the North American Free Trade Agreement.

Mr. Martin said he pressed Mr. Bush to get the United States to drop its ban on the importation of Canadian beef ? imposed because of fears of spreading mad cow disease ? and to reduce tariffs on softwood lumber, but no commitments were made.

Canada earlier this year said it would not participate in the U.S. missile-defense program, and Mr. Martin said there is little chance he would change his mind. "On [missile defense], the file is closed," Mr. Martin said.

"But our cooperation in terms of defense, in terms of our borders, in terms of defense of our common ? our frontiers is very ? is not only very clear, but it is being accentuated."

Mr. Bush said he had not imposed a June deadline on North Korea to rejoin talks with the United States, Russia, South Korea, Japan and China with the intention of North Korea giving up its nuclear-weapons program.

"I'm a patient person," Mr. Bush said. "But the leader of North Korea must understand that when we five nations speak, we mean what we say."


I wonder how they are taking this on FR?

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#42. To: lodwick (#35)

There is much angst, and some soul-searching, going on at TOS.

LP?

Don  posted on  2005-03-24   18:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Don (#42)

fr

I've no idea what's going on over at lp.

Lod  posted on  2005-03-24   18:26:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: lodwick (#43)

It will just end with another purge.

Don  posted on  2005-03-24   18:28:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Don (#44)

Maybe. But this immigration issue has every right-thinking American's attention. And I don't care what may be their party affiliation.

Is it our country, or not?

Folks are pissed, and are peeking behind the curtain to see what's really happening.

Lod  posted on  2005-03-24   18:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Jethro Tull (#38)

I can't believe Jimbo is allowing this open rebellion. What gives? Have the checks stopped?

He's a little busy planning his March For Justice Part II (with maybe ten folks to join him by the time the blood bath is done over there) at the moment I think.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-24   19:38:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: lodwick (#34)

In the past we've called this a "good strategy" on Bush's part, cheering him along, hands on cheeks, eyes wide, screaming in girlish voices: "OOOOhhhhh President Bush, OoOHHH you stole another issue from the democrats!, oooohhhh we luv you Mr. President, you are so smart...

*rolling*

I got to go check this out.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-24   19:40:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#0)

He said he would pressure Congress to further loosen immigration law.

And how many of them are up for re-election next year? I don't think he has enough *capital* left to pull that off.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-24   19:43:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#0)

Don't blame me...I voted for Peroutka.

who knows what evil  posted on  2005-03-24   19:45:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: justlurking (#46)

damn, the first one was such fun. what a difference seven years and a heavy dose of political reality make.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-03-24   19:56:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Jethro Tull (#50)

what a difference seven years and a heavy dose of political reality make.

I'd take a stained blue dress over this crap anyday of the week now.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-24   19:59:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: justlurking (#51)

Ahhh...the innocence of an urp...if only we knew.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-03-24   20:05:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: lodwick (#41)

To: sasafras

Why is he pushing this on us??? Can you explain what is the reason for it? No. I don't understand it at all. It has been a cause of his for awhile, and I never quite got it.

I think he may have a slight man-crush on Vicente Fox (or maybe a full on romance), but i'm not sure. He does the guy's bidding.

Every single statistic that I have seen is that it is costing us Billions, but business is getting a break in cheap labor. Bush is becoming an enemy and I only put himn one step above Kerry.

When you encourage the country to be invaded, you aren't a step above anyone, IMHO. That's worse than a BJ under the desk.

67 posted on 03/24/2005 8:21:38 AM PST by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies ]

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To: Mamzelle

Someday maybe I'll find out Fox's astonishing hold on GW Bush.

I just hope it's above the waist.

I'm beginning to wonder.

68 posted on 03/24/2005 8:22:53 AM PST by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies ]

ROFLMAO! Who is this Stu dude? He is freekin hysterical.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-24   20:06:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: justlurking (#53)

The natives are restless - fr is worth reading, and often responding, once more.

They are beginning to notice that the chimperor is buck-ass nekkid.

Lod  posted on  2005-03-24   20:33:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: lodwick (#54)

Citzens? They don't need no stiiiiinking citizenship.

They get better treatment as illegals ... at least in Mexifornia.

Remind me to tell you the story of when an American acquaintance of mine went to a free clinic in the WestLake District of LA, but was turn away because "You're a citizen, you can pay".

105 posted on 03/24/2005 8:39:15 AM PST by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies ]

Ole Stu knows something I am starting to get an eyeful of on a daily basis now.

Yeah, it's been worth a read here lately. I ALMOST registered just to post to Ohioan. That guy has got some great posts that I have not seen in years on FR.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-24   20:36:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: justlurking, everyone here (#55)

....characterizing them [the Minutemen] as "vigilantes." Get used to it, Prez. This patriotic group will continue to grow, and your false characterizations of them will only serve to strengthen their ranks.

He said he would pressure Congress to further loosen immigration law.

The Stupid Party strikes again. The RINO wing of the GOP - the establishment - appears utterly committed to a Hillary victory in '08.

"I'm against vigilantes in the United States of America," Mr. Bush said

Either the Prez doesn't know the meaning of the word 'vigilante' - a distinct possibility - or he's completely ignorant of the methods and stated goals of the MMP. The Minutemen aren't taking the law into their own hands, they're using the "weapons" of binoculars, cell phones, and walkie talkies to alert the Border Patrol to any suspicious activity (illegals crossing the border). That's not vigilantism.

"I'm for enforcing the law in a rational way."

Then why haven't you been doing it? Had you been doing so, there would be no need for the MMP.

The president's 2006 budget allows enough money to add only 210 agents for the U.S. borders

Yet the budget allows for untold U.S. taxpayer billions to nations that both despise us and turn a blind eye to terrorist organizations within their borders.

405 posted on 03/24/2005 5:27:08 PM CST by Mr. Mojo

Lod  posted on  2005-03-24   21:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: lodwick (#56)

Son of a bitch, thread got pulled!@

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-24   21:31:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: All (#57)

This thread has been pulled.

Pulled on 03/24/2005 6:28:53 PM PST by Admin Moderator, reason:

Too bad some of you folks find it difficult to discuss certain topics without acrimony and vitriol. Maybe some of you should learn to check your thin-skins and egos at the door.

Apparently that Mod has missed some of the way nastier Terri threads over there.

Little too much Bush bashing is more like it.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-24   21:33:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: justlurking (#57)

Must be time to gather all the poster names together for the next purge.

who knows what evil  posted on  2005-03-24   21:33:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: who knows what evil (#59)

hmmmmmmmmm I wonder if TBShow did his usual and grab the whole thread before it got yanked?

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-24   21:34:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: justlurking (#57)

Too bad some of you folks find it difficult to discuss certain topics without acrimony and vitriol. Maybe some of you should learn to check your thin-skins and egos at the door.

Totally amazed that this thread got up to 446 before the mod got off their knee-pads for a thread-check breather.

Really refreshing, and there are more going on over there, as the citizens awake to the reality of what's going on here.

Lod  posted on  2005-03-24   21:37:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: lodwick (#61)

I only managed to salvage the first 150 from hitting the back key. I can probably get up to 250 posts from my history. That was as far as I got, I had just checked to go on to the next batch.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-24   21:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: who knows what evil (#59)

Must be time to gather all the poster names together for the next purge.

Was one of the calmest threads I have seen on there. Very, very few out of line, if any.

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-24   21:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: justlurking (#63)

Maybe one out of a hundred tried to defend the administration - and then, with reservations.

Great thread, while it lasted.

Later, guys. Bed time in Austin.

Lod  posted on  2005-03-24   21:47:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: lodwick (#64)

Bed time in Austin.

Nite guy. I took tomorrow off. I get to stay up past bedtime tonight:)

justlurking  posted on  2005-03-24   21:52:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#0)

Okay, dubya's a sellout on borders.. I think everyone is aware of this by now.

What's new to me is these tatiffs on lumber. Why do we have a tariff on Canadian lumber? Have you priced a 4x4 or a sheet of plywood lately?

Sadly, I suspect it's yet another attempt to offer his friends a protected market. So they can get rich without having to actually compete in the same sense manufacturers now must with China goods.

It also does nothing for the consumer..

Why is (ahem) "Free Trade" with China good, but lumber from Canada bad unless he's tinkering with the supply side at the behest of his friends in "big lumber"

?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-25   5:22:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: lodwick (#56)

LOL!

I'd love to hear someone ask him that. Just that way, too..

I can only imagine the hissy-fit and made up words that would follow.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-25   5:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: All (#67)

To: agitator

Don't blame me. I threw my vote away.

22 posted on 03/24/2005 8:01:44 AM PST by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies ]

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-25   6:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: All (#68)

From here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1369694/posts?%20page=

To: mikemikemikecubed

Minuteman Project....just doing the job American politicians won't do.

27 posted on 03/24/2005 8:03:07 AM PST by sheana [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: mikemikemikecubed; A. Pole

Gotta keep wages artificially suppressed somehow.

6 posted on 03/24/2005 7:55:27 AM PST by Wolfie [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: mikemikemikecubed I have grown tired of Mr. Fox

I have grown tired of Mr Bush on immigration and the rule of law. 13 posted on 03/24/2005 7:58:37 AM PST by montag813 [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: mikemikemikecubed

Why not just not build a four lane highway through the fence in Nogales all the way to Tucson with water and taco stands along with a food stamp kiosk and be done with the Border Patrol.

17 posted on 03/24/2005 8:00:40 AM PST by Semper Paratus (:) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: mikemikemikecubed

So when it really comes down to it, Bush supports Mexicans instead of American citizens. Why did I vote for the aHole?

20 posted on 03/24/2005 8:00:55 AM PST by afz400 [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: yellowdoghunter Absolutely correct. I just lost some respect for President Bush, something I thought would never happen

Bush said he was going to do this before the election.

Did you not believe him?

Why did you just now lose respect when he proposed this last year? 41 posted on 03/24/2005 8:10:44 AM PST by Stu Cohen (Press '1' for English) [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies ]

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-25   6:11:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Jhoffa_ (#66)

What's new to me is these tatiffs on lumber. Why do we have a tariff on Canadian lumber? Have you priced a 4x4 or a sheet of plywood lately?

As I understand it, Canadian softwoods are not used for lumber. They are used for paper products.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-25   10:25:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#70)

Soft woods like Pine?

We use those for wall studs and composite boards, plywood.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-25   17:47:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Jhoffa_ (#71)

Canadian softwoods are different than US softwoods. The very long summer days in the northern latitudes cause the fiber to grow very long and soft. It's great for pulping and is widely used for tissue type papers. It is not known for its structural quality.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-25   17:51:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#72)

Okay, thanks for the info.. I was unaware of this.

Still, why a tariff?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-25   17:52:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Jhoffa_ (#73)

Damned if I know what goes on in the mind of the Bush administration.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-25   17:54:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#74)

PS: Are you sure that all their lumber is unsuitable for construction?

I mean, what do they build their houses out of?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-25   17:56:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Jhoffa_ (#75)

No, I didn't mean to say that all of it is. I spent some time consulting with Weyerhauser up in Grand Prairie one summer. The stuff up there is mostly used for pulping, but like you point out, they do also build with wood and that has to come from somewhere.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-25   17:58:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Jhoffa_ (#75)

There some good information here that talks about exports of pulp, newsprint, lumber, and other products.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-25   18:03:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#77)

Thanks.. Wow.. 40 billion dollar industry where supply outstrips domestic demand. They export nearly twice as much as they consume. It would seem to be a natural export for the Canadians, actually.

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-25   18:07:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Jhoffa_ (#78)

If you go up a level on that website, there is tons of additional information.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-25   18:10:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: lodwick (#45)

Folks are pissed, and are peeking behind the curtain to see what's really happening.

These people are a day late and a dollar short.

Don  posted on  2005-03-25   19:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Don (#80)

These people are a day late and a dollar short.

That's true of us all.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-25   20:55:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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