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Title: Kratom drama in the NH Senate
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Published: Mar 7, 2020
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Post Date: 2020-03-07 00:34:29 by NeoconsNailed
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Kratom Ban Bill Opposed by Standing-Room-Only Crowd at NH State House – Full Video
A standing-room-only crowd showed up to the NH state house on Tuesday to testify against a bill that would ban Kratom, SM758, only to discover that at the senator who submitted the bill changed it at the last minute into a bill that would instead regulate Kratom. It was a sneaky move on the senator’s part, as it flipped the energy in the room. Most of the average folks who’d taken time off to come out and speak against the potential prohibition of Kratom were then relieved that it was now a regulatory bill, without understanding that regulations are also bad for freedom and will hurt the industry.
Luckily, NH 2020 candidate for governor, “Nobody” and I were both there to testify against both the prohibition and regulation concepts. Here’s the full hearing video:
If you’re not familiar, Kratom is a plant in the coffee family that has helped people break additions to opiates and has helped others with pain relief, while for others it helps them with productivity.
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Poster Comment:
wikid makes kratom sound terrible right on cue
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitragyna_speciosa
It does sound like another huge mess of a subject -- even if it's actually helping people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9-TrCUTg_0
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#1. To: NeoconsNailed, 4um (#0)
Mrs. L and I use the Super Green Maeng Da in the morning for Go and Red Maeng Da at bedtime for Slow. purkratom.com check it out.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2020-03-07 7:53:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#2. To: Lod (#1)
kratom

They sell Kratom at the local smokeless tobacco store. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-03-07 8:53:07 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#3. To: Lod (#1)
Any side effects at all?
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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-03-07 9:11:30 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#4. To: BTP Holdings (#2)
And that has got to STOP according to NH politicians, or become heavily taxed and restricted. Uruguay's supposed breakthru law on pot is denounced by the citizens.
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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-03-07 9:12:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#5. To: NeoconsNailed, Lod (#3)
Any side effects at all?

The big question, isn't it?
Everything usually has some side effects....

Liberator posted on 2020-03-07 10:35:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#6. To: NeoconsNailed (#0)
One Rule of Thumb: If gummint is trying to ban it, it MUST be beneficial.

Liberator posted on 2020-03-07 10:37:02 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#7. To: Liberator (#5)
I know it has helped a lot of people. My nephew uses it and it helps him. Having said that, I tried it one time and thought I was going to die. To be fair I took it on an empty stomach so that may have been the wrong thing to do. I only took three capsules of it and saved the rest of them for my nephew.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
James Deffenbach posted on 2020-03-07 13:13:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#8. To: Liberator (#5) (Edited)
Even frivolous things like Oreo cookies ;)
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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-03-07 19:34:05 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#9. To: Liberator (#6) (Edited)
I'd like it to be that simple -- but knowing humanity as I do, amn't taking it for granted :-x
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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-03-07 19:35:28 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#10. To: NeoconsNailed (#3)
No negative side effects whatever for us. Go their website and check the customer reviews and how they personally benefit.
I wait 'till a 20-30% off sale rolls around and stock up.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2020-03-07 19:49:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#11. To: Lod (#10)
Should we all be using it, eg for a morning picker-upper? (Not in the Bounty™ sense ;)
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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-03-08 6:08:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#12. To: NeoconsNailed (#11)
Bounty™

How did you get that upper thing in the Bounty Trade Mark? ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-03-08 10:14:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#13. To: NeoconsNailed (#11)
Should we all be using it?

I don't know. The supplement links I post are for educational and entertainment purposes only. Consult your health care advisor for further recommendations. YMMV
Be well, stay well, trust and use God-given products, not BigPharma products.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2020-03-08 11:00:41 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#14. To: Lod (#13)
Nobody's going to arrest you. I see it's used both therapeutically and recreationally ;)
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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-03-08 19:43:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#15. To: BTP Holdings (#12)
Should be in the Windows 'character map', but I mightov copied it from somewhere or googled for basic Alt codes / unicode.
I collect 'em in a Notepad document for purposes of impressing you all ;)
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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-03-08 19:51:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#16. To: NeoconsNailed (#14)
I've found zero recreational use for kratom.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2020-03-08 20:09:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#17. To: Lod (#16)
Doesn't lift the spirits with all its other benefits?
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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-03-08 20:28:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#18. To: NeoconsNailed (#17)
More like calming/leveling than euphoric or high. Peaceful and well.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2020-03-08 22:48:23 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#19. To: Lod (#18)
I've gotta try some before they government it.
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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-03-08 23:08:18 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#20. To: NeoconsNailed (#19)
I just checked and there's 15% off a sampler pack of three; my suggestion is one each, white, green, and red. White and green for morning and red for evening.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2020-03-08 23:36:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#21. To: James Deffenbach, Lod (#7)
I know it has helped a lot of people. My nephew uses it and it helps him.

Thank you for your testimony on usage and its efficacy...It's valuable.
Having said that, I tried it one time and thought I was going to die. To be fair I took it on an empty stomach so that may have been the wrong thing to do.
Whoa.
Also worthy info. Yeah, there are even many vitamins that must be taken ONLY with food. OR ELSE.

Liberator posted on 2020-03-10 12:15:14 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#22. To: NeoconsNailed (#8)
Even frivolous things like Oreo cookies ;)

AND Doritos ;-)

Liberator posted on 2020-03-10 12:16:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#23. To: Liberator (#22)
Since they're mostly corn I consider 'em borderline health food ;)
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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-03-10 12:21:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#24. To: James Deffenbach (#7)
When I first started, the purkratom bottle recommended a serving of 4 caps; the last bottles that came in dropped the serving to 2-3. I've never taken more than two at a time.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2020-03-10 12:22:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#25. To: NeoconsNailed (#23)
HA!
Doritos contains Monosodium Glutamate. But when we're snacking on them, is "health" our major concern? Meh.
But...but...What about the Endorphin release? ;-)

Liberator posted on 2020-03-10 12:25:53 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#26. To: Lod (#24)
Lod, does it act more as a muscle relaxer? Or just help stop overactive nerve endings from interpreting "pain"? Does it affect mental acuity or alertness? Does it help focus? Is there any "hang-over" effect?
Any anecdotal negative or concerning short-term or long term side effects?
Thanks...

Liberator posted on 2020-03-10 12:29:25 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#27. To: Liberator (#25)
But...but...What about the Endorphin release? ;-)

Seriously. Mark my words, science is someday going to discover that the pleasure some foods give actually outweighs their bad ingredients.
I don't worry much about MSG -- it occurs naturally. Just avoid the extreme selections that make my heart race etc ;)
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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-03-10 13:09:45 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#28. To: NeoconsNailed (#27)
Seriously. Mark my words, science is someday going to discover that the pleasure some foods give actually outweighs their bad ingredients.

I agree! Totally.
That's why this obsession with food sensory deprivation in the name of "Calories!" or "Health!" is bad for bright moods :-)
Who doesn't get all excited at the prospect of ripping open a bag of Doritos? A Ring-Ding? A Coffee Cake Jr.?
I don't worry much about MSG -- it occurs naturally. Just avoid the extreme selections that make my heart race etc ;)
Right. Every thing in moderation and we should be fine. Unless we're gasping for air in the back of an ambulance after one too many tasty MSG-saturated egg rolls ;-)

Liberator posted on 2020-03-10 13:54:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#29. To: NeoconsNailed (#28)

Liberator posted on 2020-03-10 13:57:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#30. To: Liberator (#28)
food sensory deprivation

ROFL, that's apt! I'm partial to the 'cool ranch' variety -- blue bag -- but what makes it 'cool' I'm still not getting, since ranch is not normally a hot or peppery flavor. Mebbe it is in Mehico.
Speaking of witch, I'm mad about the 'chipotle ranch' goo they offer at Moe's Southwest grill and even some oriental restaurants. It makes no logical sense in the latter context, but boy is it good to throw on once your Chinese entree is about 2/3 gone!
I think the 'Japanese' restaurants proliferating in the last decade or so are all really 'Chinese'.
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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-03-10 14:15:06 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#31. To: Liberator (#26)
For me, a couple greens in the morning both calm and focus; at night two reds are part of the better sleep regimen which also include 10mg melatonin, 500mg L-tryptophan, and about 25mg cbd oil.
Both kratoms give me general pain relief, as does the cbd oil. I take no prescription meds.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2020-03-10 14:25:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#32. To: Liberator (#21)
Nephew said he was getting a tincture of the stuff and maybe I will try that. But not on an empty stomach. I learned my lesson (assuming that is what caused the issue I had with it--honestly there have only been a couple of times that I can remember that I felt that bad).
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
James Deffenbach posted on 2020-03-10 22:39:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#33. To: James Deffenbach (#32)
Nephew said he was getting a tincture of the stuff and maybe I will try that. But not on an empty stomach. I learned my lesson (assuming that is what caused the issue I had with it--honestly there have only been a couple of times that I can remember that I felt that bad).

Please check out the source of nephew's kratom most thoroughly.
I don't know what you ingested in the past, but I'll tell you that I've never, ever, had any adverse reaction whatever to purkratom.com .
Remain well, Jim
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Lod posted on 2020-03-10 23:11:16 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#34. To: Lod (#33)
Thank you Jim. Hope you stay well too.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
James Deffenbach posted on 2020-03-11 23:59:51 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#35. To: Lod, James Deffenbach (#31)
For me, a couple greens in the morning both calm and focus; at night two reds are part of the better sleep regimen which also include 10mg melatonin, 500mg L-tryptophan, and about 25mg cbd oil.
Both kratoms give me general pain relief, as does the cbd oil. I take no prescription meds.

And the greens in the AM don't bog you down for the rest of the day? Is energy level adversely affected at all? Any grogginess in the morning?
I may give it a shot based on your personal experience. Thanks for it and sharing your protocol and overall experience with respect to pain.
In the evening like you I also take 10mg of melatonin (sublingual), occasionally 500mg L-tryptophan (creates vivid dreams), and 200mg L-Theanine. I also take a newer (but more expensive) form of Magnesium that is easier on the stomach AND passes the brain-blood barrier (L-Threonate). It serves as a muscle relaxant and is involved in learning/memory.
I've tried CBD oil at about 20mg. I didn't seem to gain any traction with it. Maybe my dosage needs to be raised.

Liberator posted on 2020-03-13 11:40:27 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#36. To: James Deffenbach (#32)
Nephew said he was getting a tincture of the stuff and maybe I will try that. But not on an empty stomach. I learned my lesson...

Yeah, many pills and potions may be a bit volatile that they will require food in the stomach as 'padding'. Or else you get cramps or nausea. Sounds as if this was the case with your experience. Please let us know how the tincture works out...
On the otherhand, some of these pills and potions work better on empty stomachs. Sometimes the labels aren't clear -- that's a problem. I refer to user experience at Amazon and elsewhere for anecdotal guidance.

Liberator posted on 2020-03-13 11:47:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#37. To: Liberator (#36)
Hi Liberator. Have yet to try any of the tincture since my nephew doesn't get by here very often.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
James Deffenbach posted on 2020-03-20 0:39:36 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#38. To: James Deffenbach (#37)
JD, I have tried the tincture (10mg). I can tell you (and neph): Not effective at that amount.

Liberator posted on 2020-03-20 10:29:24 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#39. To: NeoconsNailed (#30)
the 'Japanese' restaurants

When we worked the concerts in Chicago there was a Sushi bar around the corner from the Vic Theater. I would pick up some Sushi for dinner. The Wasabi sauce would burn your gizzard out. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
BTP Holdings posted on 2020-03-20 10:44:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#40. To: BTP Holdings (#39)
And we know there are many ppl out there who've willingly, gleefully burned their own gizzards out :s
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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
NeoconsNailed posted on 2020-03-20 15:01:31 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
#41. To: Liberator (#38)
Thanks for the info.
Americans who have no experience with, or knowledge of, tyranny believe that only terrorists will experience the unchecked power of the state. They will believe this until it happens to them, or their children, or their friends. Paul Craig Roberts
"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." Frederic Bastiat
James Deffenbach posted on 2020-03-21 1:18:19 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
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