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Title: Trees To The Rescue
Source: PERC
URL Source: http://www.perc.org/publications/pe ... orts/march2005/tree_rescue.php
Published: Mar 24, 2005
Author: none listed
Post Date: 2005-03-24 13:36:06 by Mr Nuke Buzzcut
Keywords: Rescue, Trees
Views: 156
Comments: 23

Trees To The Rescue

In laboratories around the country, scientists are working to alter the genetic working of trees in order to increase their ability to store carbon, absorb toxins, and resist disease. Most recently, the city of Danbury, Conn., deployed 160 Eastern cottonwood trees to clean a 35-acre site contaminated with mercury that was once used to cure pelts for a hat factory.

A University of Georgia geneticist, Richard Meagher, has engineered the trees to extract mercury from the soil, convert it to a less toxic form, and finally release it into the air. Critics claim this simply redistributes the mercury rather than removing it from the environment. Meagher agrees, but still believes the risk of human exposure will be reduced by wider distribution. He foresees using this simple and cost-effective technology in India and Bangladesh where arsenic- and mercury-tainted drinking water is creating a serious health hazard.

Researchers at Oregon State University want to improve carbon storage in tree roots, thus cutting atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide that trap heat associated with climate change. By modifying tree architecture and cell wall chemistry, scientists are working to increase the amount of carbon stored below ground.

On other fronts, trees engineered to grow faster could become valuable for plantation forests, thus reducing logging on public forests where demands for recreation are increasing. And finally, on a more aesthetic note, one forest biotechnology project is making strides in producing a disease-resistant strain of the American chestnut. This elegant tree once graced many eastern landscapes but was destroyed a half century ago by a fungus introduced from Asia.


Guess who opposes this kind of research...

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#1. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#0)

Biotech is just a bad idea whose time should never have come.

There is no free lunch. What do you do to return the nitrogen and other limiting factors to tree growth in forest plantations, truck out thousands of large bags of urea-nitrogen fertilizer to poison more bird who eat the pearls to use as if they were stones in their gizzards? The soil and topography needs time to recover from the last rotation of trees cut in a plantation. Trying to grow new ones to fast causes excess erosion, inferior quality wood, is harder on other creatures in the forest, and this sort of progeny program is something that will not be allowed to happen.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2005-03-24   13:49:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ferret Mike (#1)

I just knew you would jump on here to display your hypocrisy.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-24   13:52:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#2)

Heh, I knew you knew I would jump in here and I did anyway. I can handle your type of fuss budget just fine.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2005-03-24   21:58:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ferret Mike (#3)

I just wanted to give you another chance to show that you really don't care one damn bit about the "environment". You are just using it as a convenient lever to advance your real agenda. Depopulation. Anti-industrialism. Anti-human.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-25   10:35:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#4)

Put a sock in it. I have cared deeply about the issue all my life. I worked in the woods because I like the outdoors and learned the lies involved with the fiction of "sustained yield logging."

I've paid my dues wooding in the woods and giving the system the benefit of doubt, which looking how we do business concerning the environment and the rights of other living thing was more then I should have done.

You parrot 'wise use' propoganda without listening or caring to diolog, you only to attack.

Look at the issue in this thread for example. I've done allot of work on Weyerhauser progeny sites and with people in the Weyco progeny program, and know quite allot about it, but you just want to pretend I am a novice to the woods and don't know such basic facts that when you breed or in other ways alter trees to make them grow faster over all other considerations you create something that has a shallow genetic base that lacks the genotypes that resist disease and drought, and there is no way to make these trees that are expressions of man's greed and impatience without creating something that doesn't do well at all replacing the web of species with a deep genetic base that resists bad conditions and creates natural barriers to disease running through the stands.

An example of what I speak of: I've watched Swiss Needle Cast run through the mono cultures of Doug fir in the Oregon coastal range stunting the growth of trees that were meant to grow fast and create 'X' amount of board foot per acre in a thirty to forty year rotation that are stunted and not doing so well.

Nature has a way of being way more complicated then geneticists ands silva culture experts give it credit for being, and the efforts to creat monocultures of extremely fast growing trees is always going to be a highly unrealistic one.

If you want to talk the issues, talk. If you want a scapegoat to pin parotted lies calculated to end resistence to the politics of greed that fuels the operational ethics of the timber industry, you are looking in the wrong direction because I am here to discuss the issues, not be insulted and belittled constantly by the likes of you.

You decide this and let me know which it is you want to do, because you can't have it both ways.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2005-03-25   11:38:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Ferret Mike (#5)

Right. You care deeply about the issue - because you can exploit the issue for your own real agenda.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-25   11:42:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#6)

Still refuse to discuss the issue and into stone walling with insulting affirmations I see.

Well, I am a fifty year old veteran, former woods worker, and long time volunteer in human service organizations. I've worked as a buck stopper at White Bird Clinic, for meals on wheels, as a cook in hospices, and other volunteer gigs.

I am also anti-abortion and anti-death penalty because I actually do care about human life. You just can't care about caring or working to benefit all life forms if you hate your own species.

You stereotyping is not working. Perhaps you might try something that does like Young some effort and energy to discuss these issues instead of constantly belittling, baiting and insulting those you feel are targets of convenience to do so to.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2005-03-25   12:05:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ferret Mike (#7)

It's just that I know you all too well, Mike. You can self-promote with half-truths and exaggerated claims to those who have never been exposed to your game, but it doesn't work on me. Sorry.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-25   12:21:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#8)

And I can back up my claims. I am in here with not hiding at all. I am forthcoming with my real name and ID, and had I been lying and half truthing all these years, people like Blackie, Dave from Eugene of all places and other FReepers would have had me for lunch a long time ago.

Your accusations of lying with no cause or proof speaks badly of you, not me. If you have proof I am not who I say I am, and I am well known locally as a former woods worker and holder of several DD form 214s from service in the armed forces let's hear it.

Otherwise stick it where the sun doesn't shine. You speak of "knowing the game," but I see only a shallow degree of familiarity or knowledge in regard to the issues I am intimate with.

I could have easily called you a liar in regards to your tap dance around the use of the racial epithet for Blacks you used, but didn't. I could have run to Christine with it, but didn't do that either.

Seems I am giving you more benefit of the doubt you are giving me, and this is likely because you are a dilettante in environmental issues, and feel threatened when someone gets too close to the truth.

Stop being a bore-some prick. If you see a lie, say so. I have posted online in forums like this one for around ten years, and I know better then to lie, and it would be far too hard, unconvincing and energy consuming to keep up a false facade in regards to who I am and what I've done in my life.

If you are around Eugene or Portland, you are most free to come talk to me and people who know me and to try to find deceit. I have nothing to hide, and I have always been out as Michael Joseph McCarthy of Eugene, Oregon.

I've also been in the news enough where the local paper talked about my background after corroborating it. Contact the Register Guard in Eugene, or people at the Eugene Weekly and ask them to seen you archived articles that back up my words.

Assuming me of lying is a dangerous game. I know, because I've made it so by being always forth coming with the truth.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2005-03-25   12:42:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ferret Mike (#9)

Be careful. I might tell an off-color joke. Boo!

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-25   12:50:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#10)

From what I've seen, you have been a walking off color joke so far.

BOO! right back at you.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2005-03-25   13:17:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Ferret Mike (#11)

I don't walk so much. Especially while typing.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-25   13:20:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#12)

"I don't walk so much. Especially while typing."

Why walk when you can wank huh?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2005-03-25   14:02:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Ferret Mike (#13)

Dude, not everybody uses the internet the same way you do. Try to control the projection. ;-0

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-25   14:04:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#1)

You don't think getting Mercury out of the groundwater is a good idea?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-25   14:07:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#14)

I was speaking of mental masturbation. My, what a dirty mind you have.

Well if the shoe fits...

Ferret Mike  posted on  2005-03-25   14:09:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: All (#15)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2005-03-25   14:17:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jhoffa_ (#15)

It's better not to contaminate it in the first place. As for biotech, I generally distrust human tinkering so directly with life itself. DNA is as easy to mess up as tinkering with your Windows registry if you don't have a vast degree of knowledge if you'll forgive that analogy; and humans do not have a vast knowledge in this field and have not evolved far enough from his roots as a hunter and gatherer to start playing god with the source code of life itself.

Specifically, I do not like genetically manipulated silvaculture progeny because I have enough personal knowledge and experiance to know the extreme short comings of bred solely for growth trees. Monoculture plantations as foolish as well. Trees were never meant to be treated like they were corn plants.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2005-03-25   14:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

Trees were never meant to be treated like they were corn plants.

Is that what the goddess told you? Or, are you just presuming to speak for the trees because you've climbed a few?

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-25   14:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Ferret Mike (#18)

True..

But, as dangerous and detrimental as the stuff (and other substances like it) is/are, I'd certainly be willing to listen to a viable, affordable alternative..

If there's some danger of this getting out of control.. which, I suppose is possible, perhaps we could engineer sterile plants for this purpose?

Jhoffa_  posted on  2005-03-25   14:21:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#19)

"Is that what the goddess told you?"

Is it?

"Or, are you just presuming to speak for the trees because you've climbed a few?"

Well now, they can't speak for themselves, so somebody need to. I've planted a few hundred thousand of them too over the years, mostly with a hoedad, and saved a few from fire as a wildland firefighter, so yes, I do have experiances that have enhanced a lifelong love of and empathy for trees.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2005-03-25   14:26:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Jhoffa_ (#20)

If such a plant met extremely tight standards of proofing a dire need for them, and there is no viruses involved used to transmit genetic information getting reliesed into the biome the trees are planted in, I would not object to strongly.

But as I've seen what a Frankenstein monster trying to fight pests with natural enemies can be, so I'd also like to see them as sterile as poplars.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2005-03-25   14:30:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

Well now, they can't speak for themselves, so somebody need to.

Yes, of course. Why am I not surprised.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-25   14:33:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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