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Title: Silver Coin Premiums Soar: Signal "Alt-Money" Demand As Re-Opening Recovery Hype Fades
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URL Source: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/s ... d-economic-recovery-hype-fades
Published: May 9, 2020
Author: Tyler Durden
Post Date: 2020-05-09 12:43:43 by Horse
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Views: 2100
Comments: 19
Silver is the matrix of precious metals: on the one hand, it is an industrial metal, critical to the production process in many of the world's most in-demand products; and on the other hand, it has been 'money' for millennia, playing second-fiddle as a spending 'asset' relative to gold's 'wealth'. The question is always, which of these demand/supply attributes is more prevalent at any one time. Fed’s Daly on Recovery, Negative GDP Growth, ‘Supportive’ Rates Right now, is it the "blue pill" of blissful ignorance that an economic recovery is imminent and v-shaped; or is it the unpleasant truth of the "red pill" that this is the beginning of the end of the current system and a post-COVID world will look very different (and require protection). Well, we may have the answer. The price of silver coins is surging ('Monetary' demand) as futures prices sink ('industrial' demand), somewhat shunning the hope-filled hyping of stocks' recovery off the lows in March... And in fact, this is the largest (physical) silver coin premium since Bernanke disappointed the markets in 2011 and since Lehman sent investors scrambling... Additionally, the demand for "monetary" silver may be driven by the fact that it has never been cheaper relative to gold... In ancient Greece during the age of Pericles, gold was valued at 14x silver. In ancient Rome, Julius Caesar valued gold at 12x silver. It remained this way for centuries. Even in the earliest days of the United States, eighteen centuries after Caesar, The Coinage Act of 1792 established a ratio of 15:1. (According to the law, one US dollar is supposed to be 24.1 grams of silver, or 1.6 grams of gold. So those pieces of paper in your wallet are not dollars– they are technically “Federal Reserve Notes”.) In modern times there is no longer a fixed ratio between gold and silver, though its long-term average over the last several decades has been between 50:1 and 80:1. This is a lot higher than in ancient times… but the circumstances are obviously different. Today, gold is still widely used as a reserve by central banks and governments around the world. And investors still buy gold as a hedge against inflation and uncertainty. Silver, on the other hand, as we detailed above, has countless industrial applications; it’s a critical component in everything from mobile phones to automobiles to solar panels. Like gold, silver is also a hedge against inflation and uncertainty. But silver’s demand fundamentals are more heavily influenced by overall economic health. If the economy is in recession, silver prices can fall because there’s less demand from industry. Gold, on the other hand, doesn’t follow that pattern. In 5 out of the last 6 recessions, in fact, gold has increased in price. That’s why recessions, and extreme turmoil, can lead to a massive spike in the gold/silver ratio. Gold goes up, and silver stays flat (or falls). Just prior to World War II as Hitler launched his invasion of Poland, the ratio spiked to 98:1. In 1991 as the first Gulf War began, the ratio again reached 100:1. Today we’re back again in that territory; as of this morning, the ratio is 110:1, and it’s been as high as 120 or more in recent weeks. Source: MacroTrends.net NEVER MISS THE NEWS THAT MATTERS MOST ZEROHEDGE DIRECTLY TO YOUR INBOX Receive a daily recap featuring a curated list of must-read stories. This ratio may stay elevated for a while, or even go higher. But in the past, the ratio has always returned to more traditional levels. Always. Even when the world was facing Adolf Hitler or the Great Depression. So it stands to reason that, if they keep printing money (which they already are), and the ratio eventually returns to its historical range, the price of silver could really skyrocket. ...and it won't be due to the economy. And in case you need more reassurance that the "recovery" is not coming anytime soon, Goldman's "re-opening" basket is significantly struggling to outperform. Global silver demand nudged higher in 2019 thanks to a 12% increase in investment demand as retail and institutional investors focused their attention on the long-term investment appeal of the white metal according to a report highlighted in the latest edition of the Silver Institute’s Silver News. According to the World Silver Survey 2020, total demand inched higher by 0.4% despite the trade war. Investment demand grew to 186 million ounces, the largest annual growth since 2015. Exchange-traded product holdings stood at 728.9 million ounces at year-end, up by 13%, achieving the largest annual rise since 2010. Meanwhile, silver mine supply fell for the fourth straight with output declining by 1%. At its core, silver is a monetary metal. It tends to track with gold over time. And it has historically outperformed gold in a gold bull market.
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#1. To: Horse, All (#0)
What are silver premiums these days? And what do you spose it will get back in normal proportion with gold? Or is this the new normal for good :-s _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
1 ozt .999 fine silver - NORFED Paper silver "spot" prices are soaring to meet the true market value of the real stuff. Availability is increasing & happy days are here again. If you don't hold it, you don't own it. Buy real silver & gold, not some fake paper spot crapola. 90% Silver Coins $1 Face Value Avg Circulation $18.35. But $1 in face value is not an ounce. In the US $1.25 in silver coins equals one ounce so that is $22.94 an ounce for 90% silver. 100% silver would be 11% more. $22.84 X 111% = $25.46 but that is 100% that still need to be melted down which is another cost on top of $25.46. The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
Yes, US junk silver prices are still up there, but Canada silver dollars (ASW .600) are a better deal right now. 1-19 $12.88 $11.99 Neither of these places charges state sales tax, so what you see is what you get. The reason that I have junk silver is that it is recognizable to anyone in this country, but I've come to believe that if it ever comes down to having to use it, lead could be a better currency in that Mad-Max world.
“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Yes, if it ever came down to having to use junk silver on the street, I think you'd have a hard time getting much more than face value for it. Better to turn it into cash before the breakdown and use the cash on the street. As you know, much of silver's value comes from its industrial uses, and after the breakdown that demand could lessen considerably. I finally sold the rest of my junk silver -- after having held it for many years -- when it hit $19.50/oz last September. (If I had sold all my junk silver at $48.50 a few years ago I could buy a new King Ranch, drive to Texas, and treat you and all your friends to the most bodacious barbecue in Lone Star history. Well, that might be a little bit of a stretch...)
Time to sell is when the collapse has taken silver and gold much, much higher. Maybe next year? You will need to sell when there is something to buy. Then you can barter food, not silver and gold. Bullets would make a great barter item.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
I agree with that. I don't think I agree with that, at least not at this time. Most folks that I'm aware of couldn't tell the difference between shit and shinola. Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner. I don't think I agree with that, at least not at this time. Junk silver is cash, coin of the realm, and all that good stuff, to be used in commerce whenever needed. I don't have any problems or qualms just holding it in the bottom of the safe. “The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken
Most folks that I'm aware of couldn't tell the difference between shit and shinola. In 1943 they made pennies from steel since they were using all the copper to make brass for ammo for the war. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Thank you. Those are prices with premiums, right? Not just the premiums?
_____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Those are actual prices.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
Including premiums?
_____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
When I worked for the State of Illinois, I stopped at a White Hen Pantry for morning break. I was wearing my work grubbies. I picked up a small bag of BBQ chips and a soda. When I came out the front door there was this gorgeous blond wearing bangle ear rings. She looked like she just had her hair done. She was heading for the store. I held out the bag of chips and said, "Hello darlin'. You want some BBQ?" She screamed and ran into the store. You think maybe I scared her? :-/ "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Come again? _____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
Paper silver is just paper. The premium for physical silver is there to cover the spread in prices. Eventually, there are no premiums because there will be no paper. Just physical at a very high price. But that is when you sell and get out of silver. Buy things you need.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
OH -- I missed the word paper! But when will the spot metal price start getting a tiger in its tank?
_____________________________________________________________ USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um
It's going UP gradually. With all the funny money being pumped into the markets, consumer confidence is going to take a dive soon. Unemployment is at record highs, and the economy in general is stagnant. The bubble is bursting and gold & silver are going up, and the value of the dollar is going to decrease at an even faster rate than "normal". It's going to take more of the devalued FRN $$$$ to buy PM's. It already has. It is up 40% in less than a year.
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
#2. To: NeoconsNailed (#1)
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#3. To: hondo68, NeoconsNailed, Lod (#2)
#4. To: Horse (#3)
(Edited)
www.goldeneaglecoin.com/i...dollar_date-of-our-choice
20-99 $11.88
100-499 $10.88
1977-1979 Mexico Silver 100 Pesos Avg Circ (ASW .643)
https://monumentmetals.com/1977-1979-mexico-silver-100-pesos-avg-circ-asw-643-oz.html
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#5. To: hondo68, Horse, BTP, 4um (#4)
#6. To: Lod (#5)
The reason that I have junk silver is that it is recognizable to anyone in this country, but I've come to believe that if it ever comes down to having to use it, lead could be a better currency in that Mad-Max world.
#7. To: StraitGate, Lod (#6)
#8. To: StraitGate, Lod, 4um (#6)
Yes, if it ever came down to having to use junk silver on the street, I think you'd have a hard time getting much more than face value for it.
Better to turn it into cash before the breakdown and use the cash on the street.
The reason that I have junk silver is that it is recognizable to anyone in this country...
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)
#9. To: Esso, StraitGate, 4um (#8)
Better to turn it into cash before the breakdown and use the cash on the street.
#10. To: Esso (#8)
The reason that I have junk silver is that it is recognizable to anyone in this country...
#11. To: Horse (#3)
#12. To: NeoconsNailed (#11)
#13. To: Horse (#12)
#14. To: StraitGate (#6)
barbecue
#15. To: hondo68 (#2)
Paper silver "spot" prices are soaring to meet the true market value of the real stuff.
#16. To: NeoconsNailed (#15)
#17. To: Horse (#16)
#18. To: NeoconsNailed (#17)
(Edited)
when will the spot metal price start getting a tiger in its tank?
Ron Paul - Lake Jackson Texas Values
#19. To: NeoconsNailed (#17)
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