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Title: Growing anger among blacks as Latinos 'take over'
Source: suntimes.com
URL Source: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-immiblack07.html
Published: Apr 8, 2006
Author: ERIN TEXEIRA AP
Post Date: 2006-04-08 08:38:01 by Grumble Jones
Keywords: None
Views: 3133
Comments: 92

NEWARK, N.J. -- The men both stood in a busy hardware store parking lot, but their lives were far apart.

On one end, Oscar Bautista of El Salvador said he had been waiting more than three hours for a job. Across the lot, Art Jackson loaded potting soil into his Dodge Durango. He complained that immigrants are making it harder for Americans to keep good jobs, especially blacks.

''You need to take care of home first,'' said Jackson, an African-American phone salesman from northern New Jersey.

Blacks and Latinos are often united on social and political issues. But they often differ when it comes to immigration.

Newcomers make black progress harder, said Wesley Crawford, who works at Source of Knowledge, a bookstore in Newark. ''It's a misconception that they're taking jobs we don't want. If you give people a good job, they will work.''

While Hispanic immigrants have protested a proposed crackdown on illegal immigration, the nation's most prominent black leaders have all been to New Orleans to try to stop the upcoming local election. Shortly after the storm, Jesse Jackson and others complained that Latino workers seemed to have more access than blacks to rebuilding jobs.

Bruce S. Gordon, president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said that African-American and Latino bonds are strong and that his ''spirit was there'' at the immigration marches.

Most of the immigration protests have focused on a bill passed by the U.S. House that would make illegal immigration a felony, and all but one black voting member of Congress, Rep. Harold Ford Jr. of Tennessee, was against it, according to the Congressional Black Caucus.

Still, many blacks feel threatened, said Earl Ofari Hutchinson, a black writer in Los Angeles.

''The civil rights leaders say we're all united, but the average person on the street is taking great offense at this group coming in and essentially taking over,'' he said.

AP

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#26. To: Grumble Jones, Jethro Tull (#7)

On a side note...it's snowing like a bastard here...strange....very strange.

It's snowing here too right now.

Diana  posted on  2006-04-08   12:59:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: mehitable, Grumble Jones (#22)

I think black and white Americans have to unite and recognize the common threat of this invasion. We have far more in common with each other than either of us has with the Latinos.

I'd much rather live in the average Mexican neighborhood than the average Black one.

For starters, their music of choice sounds an awful lot like polka.

Secondly, they have a good work ethic and are generally conservative.

Third, the home cooking is better.

Fourth, while they're living 10-to-a-trailer situations right now, they have their sights solidly set on becoming middle class, without expecting anyone to just "gift" that position to them. Reparations, anyone?

Fifth, they seem genuinely friendly and open if you have a chance to get to know them.

I love children, but I can never finish a whole one.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2006-04-08   13:07:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Rainingfish, all (#16)

What you said in #16!!!!!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   13:30:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Diana (#26)

The weather is getting weird. We're getting a mix of snow/heavy rain in NJ. I suppose we're lucky we don't live in TN?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   13:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: willyone (#25)

Pennsylvania.

His official address is Virginia.

He has a small house though in Pa. It sits empty so he can claim he's from Pa.

Grumble Jones  posted on  2006-04-08   13:40:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: gargantua (#21)

Thanks for the illegal alien links.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   13:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Indrid Cold. mehitable. GJ. all (#27)

Favorite dwelling place -

Since, due to family considerations, I can't just bail outta here and go live in the woods somewhere, my ideal 'hood would be composed of self-made, successful types who don't look to the goobs for ANYTHING, and hopefully are not drawing a goob check of any sort.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   13:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Indrid Cold (#27)

I guess it's what you're used to. I grew up in a largely black neighborhood and have been around blacks all my life, so I'm very comfortable with them and their ways. I think the two biggest problems that have occurred with black people over the past 40 years was the introduction of drugs into their neighborhoods, esp cocaine (which the CIA was probably behind), and the proliferation of welfare. Welfare was created by white elites to provide jobs for their masses of colleged educated do nothings who form a large part of the govt bureaucracy, and to keep black people in a state of learned helplessness and to stop them from rioting. The best thing that could happen in the black community would be to end welfare. Or at least to change it radically so that single parents can NO LONGER receive welfare as all it's done is help destroy black families. The other thing would be to require work for welfare - perhaps doing public works jobs.

Those two things - drugs and welfare - are the biggest problems among the blacks. The two have combined to create this extremely unhealthy gangstah mindset that is destroying a generation of young black men.

As for Latinos - I don't care for them myself. I see that they're hard working, in general, and good family people (at least until they get into the drugs and welfare like black America has - then you'll see a change in that). I absolutely hate the sound of Spanish. HATE it with a passion. That's just my personal idiosyncracy but it drives me crazy. I really want people to start speaking English pretty much exclusively in public or go back the bleep where they came from. I have no patience with it. I also find them snotty and clique-ish (sp?) unlike black people, whom I always find very friendly and usually very helpful. I would never ask a Latino for help. I think they look down on Americans and they really think their excrement is ice cream.

So maybe it is what you're used to.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   14:15:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Indrid Cold (#27)

I have to agree with you about Mexican food though - they should make that illegal instead of drugs and every Mexican in the world would be a millionaire! It's the greatest.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   14:16:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mehitable (#34)

TexMex food bump.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   14:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: lodwick (#35)

Yup, it's the best....it's my Achilles heel. Maybe they put drugs IN the burritos to make them so addictive???? At any rate, I'm willing to let all the Mexican restauranteurs stay. :)

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   14:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: mehitable (#36)

Enjoy -

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   14:46:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lodwick (#37)

OH MAN, you are brutal!!!! Must stay away from enchilada....mmmm....refried beans....NO must stay strong....no margaritas, ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH (buries face in plate).

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   14:52:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lodwick (#37)

OK, would you please identify the brown stuff in the lower portion of the plate?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   14:57:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#39)

heheh

That would be our re-fried pinto beans, with a couple of tortilla chips poked in - you can gain weight by simply gazing upon them.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   15:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jethro Tull (#39)

I think it's refried beans.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   15:22:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: lodwick, mehitable (#40)

Re-fried pinto beans,eh?

good-god-almighty.......

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   15:29:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Jethro Tull (#42)

Haven't you ever had them? They're one of the great, simple peasant foods. Thank God I only eat them every couple of weeks or I'd look like a pinata.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   15:31:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: mehitable (#43)

Thank God I only eat them every couple of weeks or I'd look like a pinata.

Well, normally I'd eat almost anything.....oh, what the hell. I'll try some :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   15:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: mehitable. JT. TexMex lovers here (#43)

Don't hate me for this one -

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   15:36:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: lodwick (#45)

"We ain't eatin that Mexican shit, man..."

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-04-08   15:43:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Jethro Tull (#44)

Be careful, JT....there's no going back. And then you'll have to have salsa. And some enchiladas. And a burrito. Or some mole. and of course Dos Equis or a margarita. Refried beans are but the first step on that lard-laden path.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   15:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: lodwick, christine, Zipporah, Jethro Tull, robin (#45)

http://www.relevantirreverence.com/stampedeofgreed_gayblackrepublican.mp3

Stampede of Greed - Gay Black Republican

The drummer from that band used to work in same building I do, only reason I ever heard of them. Gotta admit tho that's a catchy tune :)

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   15:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lodwick (#45)

We have a chain of Mexican restaurants up here in the Boston area called Acapulco's - really excellent. I told my boyfriend that we'd have to stay away to protest illegal immigration, but he already broke my boycott...mmmm...spanish rice. I like to mix that with the refried beans. and then there's always room for...FLAN. mmmmmmmm..

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   15:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Dakmar (#48)

Hey, that's pretty good - like the guitar. Do they perform in ass-less chaps?

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   15:49:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Dakmar (#48)

Good tune - thanks.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   15:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: mehitable (#50)

Do they perform in ass-less chaps?

Dear God.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   15:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: mehitable (#47)

Refried beans are but the first step on that lard-laden path.

Well grease the skids, ME.....I'm starving :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   15:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Dakmar (#48)

Do any of them look like the Cream of Wheat man?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   15:53:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: lodwick (#52)

Please forgive me for putting that image in your mind. It's considered formal dress at the White House.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   15:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Jethro Tull (#54)

No, it's hard to play thrashy punk with a big floppy hat on.

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   15:56:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: mehitable. JT. Daks. all (#55)

All this food stuff has made me HUNGRY - time to head to the grocer for something to toss on the grill this evening.

Carry on.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   15:57:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: mehitable (#50)

Do they perform in ass-less chaps?

Not the time I saw them. They didn't seem black or republican either.

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   15:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: lodwick (#57)

I had french toast and bacon for lunch, got pork chops thawing in fridge. I think instead of shake-n-bake I'll do a flour/salt/pepper fry, already got greasy frying pan from this morning.

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   16:01:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: lodwick, mehitable (#57)

http://www.planetboyd.com/WebPix/SP031015/BeThere.mpg

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   16:20:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Jethro Tull (#54)

Video Clip

Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-04-08   16:24:08 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Uncle Bill (#61)

Pretty graphic. And just think...all that drug violence is coming to a neighborhood near us!!! You too can live next to Tony Montana.

I have come to the reluctant conclusion that the answer is to legalize drugs. That takes the bulk of the money out of it. And if people commit crimes under the influence of drugs, up the punishment. Several years in prison or execution. That way people clearly know what the limits are, and if they can't live within them, well we'll need to thin the herd.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   16:28:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: mehitable (#62)

All crime is uncontrolled childish impulse. We can correct humanity by killing children or something...

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   16:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Jethro Tull (#54)

97% of Illegal Aliens Take Jobs That Americans Want and Need - Pew Hispanic Center Study

Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-04-08   16:31:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Dakmar (#63)

I don't know about that. I think a lot of crime is related to financial interest, especially drug crime. the rest of it may be impulse related, but people have to learn to control their impulses and if they can't, they need to be kept from the rest of society.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   16:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: mehitable (#65)

Shhhh! sensible ideas aren't allowed on TV, else none of the fabricated conflicts would take more than a little human decency to resolve.

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   16:38:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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