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Title: Growing anger among blacks as Latinos 'take over'
Source: suntimes.com
URL Source: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-immiblack07.html
Published: Apr 8, 2006
Author: ERIN TEXEIRA AP
Post Date: 2006-04-08 08:38:01 by Grumble Jones
Keywords: None
Views: 1837
Comments: 92

NEWARK, N.J. -- The men both stood in a busy hardware store parking lot, but their lives were far apart.

On one end, Oscar Bautista of El Salvador said he had been waiting more than three hours for a job. Across the lot, Art Jackson loaded potting soil into his Dodge Durango. He complained that immigrants are making it harder for Americans to keep good jobs, especially blacks.

''You need to take care of home first,'' said Jackson, an African-American phone salesman from northern New Jersey.

Blacks and Latinos are often united on social and political issues. But they often differ when it comes to immigration.

Newcomers make black progress harder, said Wesley Crawford, who works at Source of Knowledge, a bookstore in Newark. ''It's a misconception that they're taking jobs we don't want. If you give people a good job, they will work.''

While Hispanic immigrants have protested a proposed crackdown on illegal immigration, the nation's most prominent black leaders have all been to New Orleans to try to stop the upcoming local election. Shortly after the storm, Jesse Jackson and others complained that Latino workers seemed to have more access than blacks to rebuilding jobs.

Bruce S. Gordon, president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, said that African-American and Latino bonds are strong and that his ''spirit was there'' at the immigration marches.

Most of the immigration protests have focused on a bill passed by the U.S. House that would make illegal immigration a felony, and all but one black voting member of Congress, Rep. Harold Ford Jr. of Tennessee, was against it, according to the Congressional Black Caucus.

Still, many blacks feel threatened, said Earl Ofari Hutchinson, a black writer in Los Angeles.

''The civil rights leaders say we're all united, but the average person on the street is taking great offense at this group coming in and essentially taking over,'' he said.

AP

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#1. To: Grumble Jones (#0)

People need to get involved and start doing something about these WETBACKS. I would encourage Christine and Zipporah to open up a place on this site where people can post pics from their digital cameras or scanned images. Pictures of people who hire them. Pics of the illegals working. Name the names addresses, phone numbers. Get their name to the top of google, associated with hiring illegals. That is what i am in the process of doing over at http://libertysflame.com

Lets do something instead of just talking about it.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-04-08   8:42:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

Name the names addresses, phone numbers.

Of the people hiring them or the companies they work for. Take the employers pics too, and name the business.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-04-08   8:43:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: A K A Stone (#2)

I knew it would come to this.

They already pushed most of the black folks out of their traditional neighbor hoods in L.A. and it's spreading.

Grumble Jones  posted on  2006-04-08   8:53:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine, zipporah (#0)

see comments 1 and 2. Please consider it.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-04-08   9:06:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: A K A Stone (#1)

Good idea Stone.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   9:26:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Grumble Jones (#3)

I knew this day would come also, GJ. The bulkanization of America is finally here. It's about time whites of like mind join hands. As much as I hate the thought, we're being forced into this position.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   9:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#6)

As much as I hate the thought, we're being forced into this position.

Indeed.

The boiling point has been reached and as you said we were pushed into it.

I really didn't want to see it come to this but we have been sold out by the plutocracy government.

Actually, I don't so much see it as a specific white thing. I see it more as taxpaying and law abiding citizens versus an invading third world horde which is destroying the American culture, economy and traditions.

I seen our pretigious Senator from Virginia, Santorum voted against us yesterday. I won't forget this November. One problem though, Diebold machines have been installed across the State and he knows it. Perhaps that's why he's voting against Americans.

On a side note...it's snowing like a bastard here...strange....very strange.

Grumble Jones  posted on  2006-04-08   9:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Grumble Jones (#7)

It's snowing in PA, GJ? I'm presently in NJ.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   9:50:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Grumble Jones (#3)

They already pushed most of the black folks out of their traditional neighbor hoods in L.A. and it's spreading.

Cry me a river.

Welcome to Honkie World, Rufus! You too get to experience the joys and duties of diversity. We must eradicate the vestiges of American Privilege resulting from the Legacy of United Fruit.


I use antlers in all of my decorating.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-04-08   9:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tauzero (#9)

Welcome to Honkie World, Rufus! You too get to experience the joys and duties of diversity.

heh-heh That's about the size of it.

Grumble Jones  posted on  2006-04-08   9:58:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#8)

It's snowing in PA, GJ?

Yep.

I just looked at the radar. S.C. is clear though.

Grumble Jones  posted on  2006-04-08   9:59:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Grumble Jones (#11)

Egad, snow in April....gotta love PA.

I'm elated Santorum is going down the tubes. I don't know jack about Casey, but what's the difference? It's time to throw the bums out and replace them with new bums.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   10:03:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

I don't know jack about Casey

I've met Casey and he's a decent guy. He's a Dem. but he's not owned by the corporations or contolled by K-Street like Santorum is. As you know, his old man was Governor for two terms in the '80s. But, I don't know Casey's stance on the immigration stuff. That could be a deciding factor for my vote.

Santorum started his campaign early and was running ads on TV a few months ago. Oddly, when a lot of areas in Pa. announced they were buying Diebold machines, he pulled his ads. It's going to get nasty in Pa. this fall.

Grumble Jones  posted on  2006-04-08   10:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Grumble Jones, *The Border* (#3)

They already pushed most of the black folks out of their traditional neighbor hoods in L.A. and it's spreading.

Very true.

”We have room but for one flag... We have room but for one language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is the loyality to the American people.” - Theodore Roosevelt

robin  posted on  2006-04-08   10:23:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Grumble Jones (#13)

The fact that Santorum and Spector are tethered at the hip doesn't help Ricky boy on the immigration issue. He turned me off years ago, so frankly I don't give a rip who wins. The elitists need the rope, not the vote (g)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   10:24:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: All (#12)

This whole affair reeks of 'divide and rule.' Lax immigration laws, open borders, encouragement of arrogance/hate/nationalism in legal & illegal immigrants equals one thing = anything which diverts energy/insights away from the real culprits and them being toppled from their throne/control. Anything which divides is fair game, be it religion, color, race, nationality, politics, class, generation gap, dope, fashion, music, whatever can be used to keep people from thinking and as one unit will and has been used. The importation of so many outsiders suggests a certain desperation on their hold of things (ie - as if the old tried and tested methods are somehow failing?)

Rainingfish  posted on  2006-04-08   10:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Jethro Tull (#15)

The fact that Santorum and Spector are tethered at the hip

Taint the hips they're tethered by.....it's more like the lips.

They remind of those 'Kissing Gourami' fish they sell at the pet shop.

Grumble Jones  posted on  2006-04-08   10:32:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Rainingfish (#16)

good post. you definitely get it. ;)

christine  posted on  2006-04-08   10:32:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: christine (#18)

The net is a great equalizer, Christine. Even though there's a legion of dismis/info whores out there selling their souls, they can't escape the fact that after decades, nay, centuries of mind/press control, that their time is coming to an end. We may not see the free expression of the end result, but we can help seed its progress for the future.

Rainingfish  posted on  2006-04-08   10:43:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Rainingfish (#16)

This whole affair reeks of 'divide and rule.'

You are right on target. The ruling class lives by "divide and conquer".

Richard W.

Arete  posted on  2006-04-08   10:48:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: A K A Stone (#2)






We need to network sites like these strategically across the country. This could bring the issue to a head. Hit them where it hurts.

wehirealiens.com

operationshameonyou.org

gargantua  posted on  2006-04-08   11:07:39 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Grumble Jones (#0)

The people who have been most screwed by this invasion have been the blacks. Not only are they losing out on jobs, but the neighborhoods that have been traditionally black are now filled with illegals crowding them out. Their kids are fighting them in the schools. I see it in my own neighborhood. The black "leadership" has abandoned its own people just as surely as the white leadership has. I think black and white Americans have to unite and recognize the common threat of this invasion. We have far more in common with each other than either of us has with the Latinos.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   11:57:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: mehitable (#22)

I think black and white Americans have to unite and recognize the common threat of this invasion. We have far more in common with each other than either of us has with the Latinos.

That's exactly my line of thinking too.

I'll stand with the black folks on this one anyday.

Grumble Jones  posted on  2006-04-08   12:01:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Grumble Jones (#0)

''You need to take care of home first,'' said Jackson, an African-American

Hey Leroy!

You've done everything you could politically since 1963 to help these wetbacks invade America and now you're pissed they're taking over?

You people are D-U-M-B

Go eat a watermelon, you'll feel better.


Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?

Flintlock  posted on  2006-04-08   12:24:53 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Grumble Jones (#7)

Senator from Virginia? I could have sworn Santorum was from Pennsylvania.

willyone  posted on  2006-04-08   12:46:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Grumble Jones, Jethro Tull (#7)

On a side note...it's snowing like a bastard here...strange....very strange.

It's snowing here too right now.

Diana  posted on  2006-04-08   12:59:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: mehitable, Grumble Jones (#22)

I think black and white Americans have to unite and recognize the common threat of this invasion. We have far more in common with each other than either of us has with the Latinos.

I'd much rather live in the average Mexican neighborhood than the average Black one.

For starters, their music of choice sounds an awful lot like polka.

Secondly, they have a good work ethic and are generally conservative.

Third, the home cooking is better.

Fourth, while they're living 10-to-a-trailer situations right now, they have their sights solidly set on becoming middle class, without expecting anyone to just "gift" that position to them. Reparations, anyone?

Fifth, they seem genuinely friendly and open if you have a chance to get to know them.

I love children, but I can never finish a whole one.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2006-04-08   13:07:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Rainingfish, all (#16)

What you said in #16!!!!!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   13:30:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Diana (#26)

The weather is getting weird. We're getting a mix of snow/heavy rain in NJ. I suppose we're lucky we don't live in TN?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   13:32:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: willyone (#25)

Pennsylvania.

His official address is Virginia.

He has a small house though in Pa. It sits empty so he can claim he's from Pa.

Grumble Jones  posted on  2006-04-08   13:40:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: gargantua (#21)

Thanks for the illegal alien links.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   13:41:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Indrid Cold. mehitable. GJ. all (#27)

Favorite dwelling place -

Since, due to family considerations, I can't just bail outta here and go live in the woods somewhere, my ideal 'hood would be composed of self-made, successful types who don't look to the goobs for ANYTHING, and hopefully are not drawing a goob check of any sort.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   13:49:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Indrid Cold (#27)

I guess it's what you're used to. I grew up in a largely black neighborhood and have been around blacks all my life, so I'm very comfortable with them and their ways. I think the two biggest problems that have occurred with black people over the past 40 years was the introduction of drugs into their neighborhoods, esp cocaine (which the CIA was probably behind), and the proliferation of welfare. Welfare was created by white elites to provide jobs for their masses of colleged educated do nothings who form a large part of the govt bureaucracy, and to keep black people in a state of learned helplessness and to stop them from rioting. The best thing that could happen in the black community would be to end welfare. Or at least to change it radically so that single parents can NO LONGER receive welfare as all it's done is help destroy black families. The other thing would be to require work for welfare - perhaps doing public works jobs.

Those two things - drugs and welfare - are the biggest problems among the blacks. The two have combined to create this extremely unhealthy gangstah mindset that is destroying a generation of young black men.

As for Latinos - I don't care for them myself. I see that they're hard working, in general, and good family people (at least until they get into the drugs and welfare like black America has - then you'll see a change in that). I absolutely hate the sound of Spanish. HATE it with a passion. That's just my personal idiosyncracy but it drives me crazy. I really want people to start speaking English pretty much exclusively in public or go back the bleep where they came from. I have no patience with it. I also find them snotty and clique-ish (sp?) unlike black people, whom I always find very friendly and usually very helpful. I would never ask a Latino for help. I think they look down on Americans and they really think their excrement is ice cream.

So maybe it is what you're used to.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   14:15:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Indrid Cold (#27)

I have to agree with you about Mexican food though - they should make that illegal instead of drugs and every Mexican in the world would be a millionaire! It's the greatest.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   14:16:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: mehitable (#34)

TexMex food bump.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   14:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: lodwick (#35)

Yup, it's the best....it's my Achilles heel. Maybe they put drugs IN the burritos to make them so addictive???? At any rate, I'm willing to let all the Mexican restauranteurs stay. :)

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   14:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: mehitable (#36)

Enjoy -

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   14:46:03 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lodwick (#37)

OH MAN, you are brutal!!!! Must stay away from enchilada....mmmm....refried beans....NO must stay strong....no margaritas, ARRRRRGGGGHHHHHH (buries face in plate).

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   14:52:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: lodwick (#37)

OK, would you please identify the brown stuff in the lower portion of the plate?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   14:57:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#39)

heheh

That would be our re-fried pinto beans, with a couple of tortilla chips poked in - you can gain weight by simply gazing upon them.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   15:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jethro Tull (#39)

I think it's refried beans.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   15:22:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: lodwick, mehitable (#40)

Re-fried pinto beans,eh?

good-god-almighty.......

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   15:29:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Jethro Tull (#42)

Haven't you ever had them? They're one of the great, simple peasant foods. Thank God I only eat them every couple of weeks or I'd look like a pinata.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   15:31:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: mehitable (#43)

Thank God I only eat them every couple of weeks or I'd look like a pinata.

Well, normally I'd eat almost anything.....oh, what the hell. I'll try some :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   15:36:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: mehitable. JT. TexMex lovers here (#43)

Don't hate me for this one -

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   15:36:37 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: lodwick (#45)

"We ain't eatin that Mexican shit, man..."

“Yes, but is this good for Jews?"

Eoghan  posted on  2006-04-08   15:43:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Jethro Tull (#44)

Be careful, JT....there's no going back. And then you'll have to have salsa. And some enchiladas. And a burrito. Or some mole. and of course Dos Equis or a margarita. Refried beans are but the first step on that lard-laden path.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   15:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: lodwick, christine, Zipporah, Jethro Tull, robin (#45)

http://www.relevantirreverence.com/stampedeofgreed_gayblackrepublican.mp3

Stampede of Greed - Gay Black Republican

The drummer from that band used to work in same building I do, only reason I ever heard of them. Gotta admit tho that's a catchy tune :)

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   15:45:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: lodwick (#45)

We have a chain of Mexican restaurants up here in the Boston area called Acapulco's - really excellent. I told my boyfriend that we'd have to stay away to protest illegal immigration, but he already broke my boycott...mmmm...spanish rice. I like to mix that with the refried beans. and then there's always room for...FLAN. mmmmmmmm..

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   15:47:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Dakmar (#48)

Hey, that's pretty good - like the guitar. Do they perform in ass-less chaps?

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   15:49:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Dakmar (#48)

Good tune - thanks.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   15:49:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: mehitable (#50)

Do they perform in ass-less chaps?

Dear God.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   15:50:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: mehitable (#47)

Refried beans are but the first step on that lard-laden path.

Well grease the skids, ME.....I'm starving :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   15:52:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Dakmar (#48)

Do any of them look like the Cream of Wheat man?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   15:53:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: lodwick (#52)

Please forgive me for putting that image in your mind. It's considered formal dress at the White House.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   15:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Jethro Tull (#54)

No, it's hard to play thrashy punk with a big floppy hat on.

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   15:56:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: mehitable. JT. Daks. all (#55)

All this food stuff has made me HUNGRY - time to head to the grocer for something to toss on the grill this evening.

Carry on.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   15:57:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: mehitable (#50)

Do they perform in ass-less chaps?

Not the time I saw them. They didn't seem black or republican either.

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   15:58:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: lodwick (#57)

I had french toast and bacon for lunch, got pork chops thawing in fridge. I think instead of shake-n-bake I'll do a flour/salt/pepper fry, already got greasy frying pan from this morning.

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   16:01:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: lodwick, mehitable (#57)

http://www.planetboyd.com/WebPix/SP031015/BeThere.mpg

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   16:20:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Jethro Tull (#54)

Video Clip

Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-04-08   16:24:08 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Uncle Bill (#61)

Pretty graphic. And just think...all that drug violence is coming to a neighborhood near us!!! You too can live next to Tony Montana.

I have come to the reluctant conclusion that the answer is to legalize drugs. That takes the bulk of the money out of it. And if people commit crimes under the influence of drugs, up the punishment. Several years in prison or execution. That way people clearly know what the limits are, and if they can't live within them, well we'll need to thin the herd.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   16:28:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: mehitable (#62)

All crime is uncontrolled childish impulse. We can correct humanity by killing children or something...

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   16:30:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Jethro Tull (#54)

97% of Illegal Aliens Take Jobs That Americans Want and Need - Pew Hispanic Center Study

Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-04-08   16:31:43 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: Dakmar (#63)

I don't know about that. I think a lot of crime is related to financial interest, especially drug crime. the rest of it may be impulse related, but people have to learn to control their impulses and if they can't, they need to be kept from the rest of society.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   16:35:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: mehitable (#65)

Shhhh! sensible ideas aren't allowed on TV, else none of the fabricated conflicts would take more than a little human decency to resolve.

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   16:38:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Dakmar (#66)

he he...this is true, a lack of common sense definitely helps our "leadership" to maintain control.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-04-08   16:39:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: mehitable (#67)

Will you help me frame my cousin for being cheap on replacement brake parts?

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   16:46:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Dakmar. Deception Dollar (#59)

I think instead of shake-n-bake I'll do a flour/salt/pepper fry, already got greasy frying pan from this morning.

I'll be right over.

My 9.11 Deception Dollars arrived yesterday, so I took a handfull to the grocers just now to pass out - it was absolutely fantastic: one black lady asked if she could have some more to give to her friends, and another guy said that he already had one in his wallet.

The checker commented that "I can't stand that frat-boy who has caused so many deaths."

It's a very non-confrontational method of getting the word out and I left the store more encouraged than I've been in a long while.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   16:52:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: lodwick (#69)

http://www.deadboots.com/muzic/music/dead/03_10_81/03_10_81_Disc_1/12%20-%20Brown_Eyed_Women.mp3

browned eyed women and red grenadine....

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   17:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: mehitable (#47)

And then you'll have to have salsa.

My wife makes outstanding salsa, and she was born as far away from Mexico as you can get in the United States. French blood, and she hates frog legs...go figure. :-)

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-04-08   17:00:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: mehitable (#62)

The people left at FR don't have a clue as to the background of Don Tyson.

Today: Tyson Foods Says Some Meat Plants To Be Closed Monday (For illegal alien rally)


On a side note, breeze through these Don Tyson threads.

U.S. Indicts Tyson Foods for Illegal Alien Smuggling

Former Tyson managers admit conspiracy guilt in illegal alien smuggling

Tyson Foods manager accused in illegal alien smuggling plot commits suicide(Arkancide)


Now, let's go where the real growth of Tyson Foods occurred:

THE DIXIE MAFIA

The Secret Life of Bill Clinton
1997 Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

THE DIXIE MAFIA

BANNED BY EDICT from smuggling drugs, the Italian American Mafia missed out on the most lucrative crime wave of the twentieth century. It was left to others to profit from the $100 billion a year market in cocaine, marijuana, and methamphetamines. Those best placed, by geography and criminal tradition, were the loose-knit groupings of the South, known to law enforcement as the "Dixie Mafia."

The term was first coined by Rex Armistead, the Director of the Organized Crime Strike Force in New Orleans in the 1970s. Less famous than the Cosa Nostra, the Dixie Mafia was, and still is, far more dangerous. During a ten year period from 1968 to 1978 when the Italian Americans were in the headlines for a spree of thirty murders, their redneck counterparts quietly dispatched 156 victims.

"There wasn't a well from Mississippi to West Texas that didn't have a dead body floating in it," said Armistead. "The big difference was the lack of ceremony. It was just 'I'm going to get rid of Ambrose today; I don't need permission; and I go out and do it.' As simple as that. And that's the end of Ambrose. It hasn't changed much either."

"I see."

The Dixie Mafia formed a ring of interlocking interests that covered Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma, Kentucky, Tennessee, and above all Arkansas. Their spiritual capital was Bill Clinton's hometown of Hot Springs, famous for its racetrack, its ornate bathhouses, its casinos, its prostitution, and its epic defiance of Prohibition.

The coat-and-tie yuppies of the modern Dixie Mafia are the children and grandchildren of bootleggers, a provenance they share with Bill Clinton. The trade has evolved. Clinton's grandfather used to serve moonshine from behind the counter of his store in Hope. Now the business is a high-tech operation involving fleets of aircraft, off-shore banking, and reach deep into the U.S. federal government.

Armistead warned me not to push my luck anywhere in the old Confederacy, but especially not in Arkansas. That counsel was on my mind as I drove through the backroads of the state with a box of documents slipped to me by dissidents in law enforcement. I had been given comprehensive intelligence files from the Criminal Investigations Division of the Arkansas State Police, going back as far as the early 1970s. I was told to copy what I needed, check that I was not followed, and return the archive within 24 hours. I did exactly that, and as I fed the stack of papers into a photocopy machine at a Kinko's in Little Rock, I was scarcely able to believe what I was seeing. Among the famous names of the Arkansas oligarchy that jumped out from page after page of criminal intelligence files was Don Tyson, the billionaire president of Tyson Foods and the avuncular patron of Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton.

A gruff barrel-chested man with a cropped beard and a reputation for ruthless business practice, Don Tyson is one of the great characters of Arkansas. He presides over the biggest chicken processing operation in the world from his "Oval Office" -- a replica of the real one-- with door handles in the shape of eggs. He usually wears khaki overalls with "Don" stitched on his breast pocket, and gets his hands dirty working side by side with his 54,000 employees. It is said that half of all American people eat a piece of Tyson chicken every week. The family business, based in Springdale, has grown at an explosive rate since the 1960s, swallowing up rival companies in a relentless quest for market share. "There's no second place. First place is the only place in the world," says Tyson.

But it was a high-wire act getting there. By 1979 the company's debt-to-equity ratio had soared to 1.3 at a time when interest rates were soaring. Already faced with a mushrooming debt service cost, Tyson was then hit by a severe cyclical downturn in the poultry industry. "It's like an airplane running out of gas," said Tyson at the time. "I can feel it. The engines are getting rough." But somehow he managed to prosper. Over the next five years Tyson Foods was one of the fastest- growing Fortune 500 companies in the country. The turnaround was a feat of magic, a testimony to his inventive spirit.

The documents I was looking at made me wonder about the origins of his liquidity. Here were files from the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency, marked DEA SENSITIVE, under the rubric of the "Donald TYSON Drug Trafficking Organization."

One was from the DEA office in Oklahoma City, dated December 14, 1982. It cited a confidential informant alleging that "TYSON smuggles cocaine from Columbia, South America inside race horses to Hot Springs, Arkansas." It cited the investigation tracking number for Don J.Tyson, a/k/a "Chicken Man," as Naddis 470067. A second document from the DEA office in Tucson, dated July 9, 1984, stated that "the Cooperating Individual had information concerning heroin, cocaine and marijuana trafficking in the States of Arkansas, Texas, and Missouri by the TYSON Organization." The informant described a place called "THE BARN" which TYSON used as a "stash" location for large quantities of marijuana and cocaine. 'THE BARN' area is located between Springdale and Fayetteville, Arkansas, and from the outside the appearance of 'THE BARN' looks run down. On the inside of 'THE BARN' it is quite plush."

The files contain raw police intelligence. Such allegations have to be treated with great caution. But these DEA informant reports are buttressed by a much bigger collection of state intelligence documents. Files marked "VERY CONFIDENTIAL" trace allegations about Tyson and drug trafficking as far back as 1973.

A memo by the Criminal Investigative Section, dated March 22, 1976, states that Don Tyson "is an extremely wealthy man with much political influence and seems to be involved in most every kind of shady operation, especially narcotics, however, has to date gone without implication in any specific crime. TYSON likes to think of himself as the 'King of the Hill' in northwest Arkansas, and quite possibly this might not be erroneous." The memo was triggered by a dispute between Tyson and the Teamsters Union over allegations of drug dealing and prostitution at a Teamsters'-owned hotel leased by Tyson. Two sets of documents refer to alleged hit men employed by Tyson to kill drug dealers who owed him money. Another report alleged that Tyson was using his business plane to smuggle quart jars of Methamphetamine. All told, it was a staggering portrait of a drug baron.

None of the allegations led to criminal charges, and it would soon become clear why. Police officers who tried to mount a case against Tyson were destroyed by their superiors in the State Police. The first to try was Beverly "B.J." Weaver, then an undercover narcotics officer in Springdale. Working the streets and bars of northwest Arkansas, disguised as a deaf woman, she collected detailed intelligence on Tyson's alleged smuggling network.

"There were loads going out with the chickens, live chickens. That's how they'd move it."

As the allegations from her informants mounted, she requested the intelligence files on Don Tyson. That is when her problems began. Her collegues in the Springdale office--who she now believes were "on the take" from the Tyson machine--put out the word that she was "not stable," that she had "flipped out." Then it got rough. "They started passing out my photo on the streets, which put my life in danger. I became paranoid. I didn't trust my phone line. There was nobody I could really trust."

She drove to Little Rock to seek the support of Colonel Tommy Goodwin, the Commander of the State Police. He brushed her off. "You narcs are all paranoid," he said. "You see too many shadows in the dark."

By 1987 her position was untenable. Her career in ruins, she resigned from the police and found a job as a security guard in the Bahamas. "I went as far away as I could go, just to fade into nothing," she told me.

After she left, the State Police drove the knife in even further, accusing her of making off with police funds, a charge she vehemently denies. She felt so ashamed she could not face her own family. "For seven years I haven't been home again," she said, weeping.

When I visited her in 1994 she was working at the cosmetics counter of a department store in Florida. Brittle, highly emotional, she had come to terms with her ordeal. "I believed in what I did, and I was proud of what I did," she kept saying, plaintively. But they had broken her spirit.

The next to take up the challenge was Trooper J.N. "Doc" Delaughter, then 38, who drew on Weaver's work to launch a second investigation of Don Tyson in 1988. A soft-spoken man, with a cherubic face and golden hair, he had been elected Sheriff of Arkansas's Nevade County four times before joining the State Police. He came from a wealthier background than most officers in the force. With a modest inheritance from his father, and an extra stipend from his duties as a captain in the Arkansas National Guard, he enjoyed a degree of independence that was extremely threatening to the old-boy network. He also had ties to federal officials through his service in the National Guard. In July 1988 friends in the Guard set up a meeting with Michael Fitzhugh, the U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Arkansas, who agreed that the allegations against Tyson were serious enough to warrant a full-scale investigation.

The next day Delaughter fired off a memo to the chief of Criminal Investigations at the State Police. "The conversation was centered around Don Tyson's illegal use and distribution of cocaine. Mr. Fitzhugh told this investigator that he was interested in prosecuting a criminal conspiracy to process or distribute a controlled substance. Mr. Fitzhugh went on to say that he wanted a combined investigation team of the FBI, DEA, IRS, and the State Police."

The memo set off alarm bells at the headquarters of the State Police. Sergeant Larry Gleghorn warned Delaughter that he would be hammering "the nails in his own coffin with this department" if he persisted. Delaughter was pulled off the case soon afterward. The Tyson matter would be transferred to the Springdale office, he was told by Major Doug Stevens, the head of criminal investigations. That was the end of it. The U.S. Attorney said that he did not know why the probe fizzled out, when I interviewed him years later. "The ball was in their court. For whatever reason I never heard another word from them about the thing," he said.

The State Police commander, Colonel Goodwin, said that "there was not enough information to start an investigation." Asked about the DEA intelligence documents, he told me that "they weren't in the Tyson file back then." This was not true. The DEA files were already available to State Police investigators.

For Delaughter it was the end of his career in law enforcement. He was transferred to highway patrol, and his department began a nitpicking scrutiny of everything he did. When that did not provoke his resignation, they sent him off for a mental evaluation. It was the B.J. Weaver treatment, tainting him with comments about his mental stability. The police psychologist deemed him a "danger to society" on grounds that he had "built up a lot of anger" and was confrontational. It was recommended that Delaughter be suspended from service. An evaluation by a private psychologist disputed these findings, but by then Delaughter knew that he was beaten. He resigned in 1990 and went into the lumber business.

"Trying to bring these guys down is not conducive to a good career," he said, with a wry smile as we sat drinking beer on the veranda of his remote lakeside cabin. "You develop leprosy. Fast."

But the past is beginning to catch up with Don Tyson. He has been named as an official target in a criminal probe by Independent Counsel Donald Smaltz, who was appointed to investigate bribery allegations against Agriculture Secretary Mike Espy, who was later indicted. His chief lobbyist, Jack Williams, has been indicted for lying to investigators in the case. From small beginnings, the Smaltz investigation has widened into a full-scale probe of the Tyson business empire, provoking vehement accusations that it is a "politically motivated witch hunt."

The Espy affair is a textbook case of Arkansas mores penetrating the U.S. Federal government. CBS New's 60 Minutes reported that Espy was flown to Arkansas to seek the blessing of Don Tyson before he was nominated to his cabinet post. Once installed at the Agriculture Department, Espy proved to be a friend of the chicken industry. The department scuttled a plan for tougher standards on poultry fecal contamination. This required shifting the bureaucratic machinery into reverse gear. The plan had already been drawn up, approved, and was set for implementation. The effect was to reduce the likelihood that Tyson products would face random inspection.

The Smaltz probe has produced a surprising spin-off. In December 1994 Time magazine reported that Joseph Henrickson, 43, the number two pilot of the company's aviation division, had been interviewed for three days by Smaltz and a team of FBI agents about alleged deliveries of cash to the Governor's Mansion. Henrickson said that he carried sealed white envelopes containing a quarter-inch wad of $100 bills, on six occasions, from Tyson's headquarters to Little Rock. He was led to understand that the envelopes were going to Bill Clinton. In one case, a Tyson executive handed him an envelope of cash in the company's aircraft hangar in Fayetteville and said, "This is for Governor Clinton."

"I nearly fell off my chair when I heard Joe make the allegation. I took over the questioning," Smaltz told Time. But Smaltz did not have the mandate to investigate Bill Clinton. His probe was confined to the alleged "gratuity giver," Tyson Foods. After Henrickson was called to testify before a federal grand jury in Washington in early 1995, Smaltz made a formal request to the Justice Department for broader jurisdiction. Attorney General Janet Reno refused, ordering Smaltz to stick more closely to his original brief.

In light of the Henrickson allegations, and the fact that two investigations into Tyson's alleged drug activities were shut down by the upper echelons of the Arkansas State Police, any commerce that ties Don Tyson to Bill and Hillary Clinton demands close scrutiny. This includes the brokerage account in Hillary Clinton's name that turned $1000 into $99,537 between October 1978 and July 1979. This speculative venture was the initiative of James Blair, the general counsel of Tyson Foods.

Having done a fair amount of trading myself on exotic markets, often with high leverage, the ratios in themselves do not surprise me. These sorts of profits can be made. But they are not made in the way that Hillary Clinton made them. The trades began three weeks before the 1978 elections, when Bill Clinton was riding high in the polls and seemed set to win his first term as Governor of Arkansas. It was shortly after the Clintons had signed up with Jim McDougal in a sweetheart land deal called Whitewater. Perhaps this was coincidence, but I doubt it.

The first transaction was a bet that rising cattle prices were due for a snap correction, a temporary fall in a buoyant market. That is exactly what happened. By the end of the day, October 11, 1978, cattle prices had fallen one and a half cents a pound. Mrs. Clinton netted an instant profit of $5,300. Within a couple of weeks she felt confident enough to start making large cash withdrawals from her account: $5,000 on October23; another $15,000 for Christmas. The money was rolling in.

When New York Times reporter Jeff Gerth first broke the story in 1994, Hillary Clinton claimed that she had conducted the transactions herself after studying the market pages of the Wall Street Journal. This caused a good deal of mirth on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. "Buying iceskates one day, and entering the Olympics a day later," wrote Mark Powers, editor of The Journal of Futures Markets. The White House subsequently retreated step by step until it was acknowledged that Hillary Clinton's broker had exercised complete discretion in handling the day-to-day trades.

His name was Robert "Red" Bone, a former truck driver and personal bodyguard for Don Tyson. Bone rose to become vice president of Tyson Foods, where he was in charge of the egg division. It was a position he used for lucrative insider trading--both for himself and for the Tyson operation--until regulators suspended him for a year in 1977 for allegedly trying to corner the eggshells futures market. He was later sanctioned by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange for "repeated and serious violations of record keeping functions." When he regained his broker's license he joined the commodity brokerage firm REFCO, which had privileged information about daily movements in cattle prices. Indeed, REFCO chairman Thomas Dittmer had such vast cattle holdings himself that he could flood the market and cause snap changes in futures prices.

In his book Bloodsport, James Stewart offers a detailed account of Bone's modus operandi at REFCO's offices in Springdale. It describes how Bone gleaned his inside tips each day on the hotline to REFCO's headquarters in Chicago. Stewart implies that although Bone was engaging in shady practices, Hillary Clinton's transactions were clean. But in the lightly regulated commodities markets of the late 1970s it was easy to "cherry pick" trades at the end of the day, allocating gains to one account and losses to another. This loophole was well-known in financial circles. It was part of market folklore that the most effective way to carry out the illicit transfer of money from one party to another was through a "straddle." By placing one bet that the market would go up, and an off-setting bet that it would go down, the profitable trade could be allocated to the beneficiary, while the "donor" swallowed the loss. It was absolutely foolproof. "During the late 1970s and early 1980s, straddles were used for all kinds of illegal activities, ranging from tax evasion to money laundering and bribes," wrote David L. Brandon, former chief of the commodities section of the IRS, in an article in The Wall Street Journal.

To make it look plausible, the beneficiary would have to have a few losing trades mixed in with the gains, but in reality there was no risk at all. An investigation by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange in 1978 suspected that REFCO was doing precisely this. One of REFCO's Springdale brokers in fact admitted under oath that the office had been manipulating the futures contracts by "allocating them to customer's after the market closed."

Stewart reports that Hillary found the experience nerve-racking and decided to retire from the market after a fresh windfall of $40,000 in July 1979, which brought her total profits to almost $100,000. But three months later, she was plunging back into the commodities market, this time with a broker at Stephens Inc., in Little Rock. When CBS New's 60 Minutes asked Don Tyson if Hillary Clinton's cattle trades were a "payoff" from him, he vehemently denied it.

If Tyson was funneling money to the Clinton's, it is possible that the Clinton's were not entirely aware of what was being done. This is the notoriously grey zone of mens rea, but it would not be the first time that a political family was suborned by degrees like a lobster being cooked slowly in the pot. The thought occurred to me after I was told an anecdote by Larry Patterson, An Arkansas State Trooper assigned to the Governor's detail in the mid to late 1980s.

He remembers standing in the foyer of Tyson's house one evening, waiting for Clinton to finish dinner. Tyson appeared, struck up a conversation and invited him to take a trip on his 63' yacht in Baja California. "Bring your friends along," Tyson added, offering his corporate aircraft as transport. Tyson put his arm around Patterson, pressing the invitation, just as the Governor appeared.

"What was all that about?" Clinton said, as they got into the limo. "He asked me out on the yacht." "Listen to me," said Clinton sternly. "Don't go. If Don Tyson gives you something, it's because he wants something back. You'll never shake him off."


Larry Nichols - The Clinton Chronicles: " There was a hundred million a month in cocaine coming in and out of Mena, Arkansas. They had a problem. They were doing so much money in cocaine, a hundred million, that you create a problem in a little state like Arkansas. How do you clean one hundred million dollars a month.

ADFA until 1989 never banked in Arkansas. What they would do is they would ship the money down to Florida, a bank in Florida which later would be connected to BCCI. They would ship money to a bank in Atlanta, Georgia, which by the way was later connected to BCCI. They'd ship to Citicorp in NewYork, which would send the money overseas. And there was an interesting one, a bank in Chicago. And that bank, by the way, is partially owned by Dan Rostenkowski.

Dan Lasater would get the bonds. He would become the broker for the bonds. He would transfer money back to ADFA. He never sold a bond. The money then would leave ADFA, go into one of the various banks for the specific bond loan, and they would zero it out. When they zeroed it out they were giving it back to Lasater less their handling fees.

The Secret Life of Bill Clinton - " Lasater was a player in the cocaine trafficking network of the Dixie Mafia........In February 1984 Lasater, accompanied by Patsy Thomasson, flew to Belize in his private jet to negotiate the purchase of a 24,000 acre ranch. The deal fell through because of a dispute with "the governor of Belize who was hard to deal with." One member of the Lasater party boorishly proposed "that the governor should be wasted."......Ostensibly, Lasater was looking for a horse farm. But the property, known as the Carver Ranch, was in fact a refueling stop for smugglers coming up from Columbia.

The Secret Life of Bill Clinton - Sharlene Wilson: " Sharline was surprisingly frank about her job at the Mena airport in the mid-1980s. The cocaine was flown in on twin-engine Cessnas, sometimes as often as every day. "I'd pick up the pallets and make the run down to Texas. The drop-off was at the Cowboys Stadium. I was told that nobody would ever bother me, and I was never bothered. If there was a problem I was to call Dan Harmon."

"A lot of cocaine that came into Mena was taken up to Springdale in northwest Arkansas, she said, where it was stuffed into chickens for reshipment to the rest of the country."

The Mena Cover-Up Video - Narrator: " With the United States drug war defense in ruins, a Clinton appointee to the Dept. of Defense, on May 1, 1995, abruptly shut down radar tracking of drug shipments coming from Columbia and Peru. According to U.S. Intelligence officials, an estimated 1000 plane loads of Cocaine and Heroin per year, would now be free to enter the United States.

THERE IS NO JUSTICE IN AMERICA.


THE CRIMES OF MENA


"Tyson Foods is a direct supplier of poultry to McDonald's."

Tyson Foods and Wal-Mart were built the old fashion way. Drug- Trafficking.

American will believe anything. Remember this?:

Made in America? LOL!

And, here's the piece of trash that facilitated and funded ALL OF IT and Americans have never heard of him. Jackson Stephens.

Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-04-08   17:00:29 ET  (3 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Uncle Bill (#61)

Outstanding clip of why this insane WOD must end, and the drugs legalized: if people are dopey enough to want to use them, why shouldn't they be available at a reasonable price?

I realize that the various crime families will lose some money, but they'll just have to pick up the pace with their child-kidnapping, prostitution, and other highly profitable endeavors.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   17:02:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: Dakmar (#70)

Nice picking in the 'tonk.

Makes me want a cold long-neck and a hot cowgirl.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   17:10:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Uncle Bill (#72)

Jackson Stephens.

Isn't he that crook who owns Park-O meter? The one that was involved with Clinton and the Whitewater crap?

Grumble Jones  posted on  2006-04-08   17:11:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: lodwick (#74)

http://www.gayblackrepublican.com/GBRballetonbarbedwire.mp3

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   17:13:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Uncle Bill (#72)

Now that was one hell of a post. Thanks a bunch.

Cheers!

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   17:21:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: mehitable (#49)

We have a chain of Mexican restaurants up here in the Boston area called Acapulco's - really excellent.

Yes, we have them on the west coast also. Does yours have a weekday lunch buffet? You can pig out on some really good food.

Out FOXed

PnbC  posted on  2006-04-08   17:24:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: PnbC (#78)

Chile relleno is my favorite food ever, that's what I order when I go into unfamiliar restaraunt.

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   17:27:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: Grumble Jones (#75)

Jackson Stephens owned and pulled the strings for ADFA. The first loan made at ADFA(Arkansas Development Finance Authority) was made to a company called Park- O-Meter. Seth Ward was the owner. The secretary/treasurer was Web Hubbell. Web Hubbell was Seth Ward's son-in-law. Guess who drafted the legislation creating Act 1062, which created the Arkansas Development Finance Authority? Web Hubbell. Guess who introduced the legislation to Arkansas legislators and got it passed through our house? Web Hubbell. Guess who got the first loan? Web Hubbell. Guess who did the audit and the evaluation of the application. Rose Law Firm. Who signed it? Web Hubbell, Hillary Clinton. That's against the law in Arkansas. You can't investigate yourself when the good faith and credit of the state of Arkansas is involved in a bond issue. He broke the law. The first loan was 2.85 million dollars. Never was a penny of that paid back. As the newspaper people started inquiring about the Park-O-Meter loans, what they found was that Park-O-Meter was actually building retrofit nose cone compartments that were being shipped to Mena. We find out that the nose cones were actually being used to smuggle dope back into the country.

Source
court documents recently released by Manhattan District Attorney Robert Morgenthau, it has been revealed that Jackson Stephens, a billionaire banker in Little Rock, Arkansas, and one of presidential candidate Bill Clinton's main supporters, may have played a key role in setting up the illegal purchase by the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI) of two American banks.

Both First American National Bank, the largest bank in Washington DC, and Georgia National Bank, were purchased by BCCI front man and Stephens business associate Gaith Pharon. Stephens' family bank, the Worthern National Bank, recently extended a two million dollar loan to the Clinton campaign.

Stephens, who is an avid golfer and chairman of the prestigious Masters Tournament Committee, is named in the court records as having brought Pharon together with Stephens' close friend Bert Lance. Lance was a former cabinet official under President Jimmy Carter who was forced to resign due to a banking scandal.

According to newspaper reports, BCCI founder Agha Hasan Abedi was introduced to Lance by Stephens. Stephens, Lance, and First American Bank director and longtime Democratic party power broker Clark Clifford all maintain that they did not know the group of Pakinstani and Saudi investors headed by Pharon, which they were dealing with, were actually fronting for BCCI. Clinton's staff has refused to comment.

Bush Sr. to Dedicate Stephens Golf Academy

Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-04-08   17:29:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: lodwick (#74)

Thanks much!

Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-04-08   17:29:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Uncle Bill (#72)

A gruff barrel-chested man with a cropped beard and a reputation for ruthless business practice, Don Tyson is one of the great characters of Arkansas. He presides over the biggest chicken processing operation in the world from his "Oval Office" -- a replica of the real one-- with door handles in the shape of eggs. He usually wears khaki overalls with "Don" stitched on his breast pocket, and gets his hands dirty working side by side with his 54,000 employees. It is said that half of all American people eat a piece of Tyson chicken every week.

Great post, thanks.

”We have room but for one flag... We have room but for one language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is the loyality to the American people.” - Theodore Roosevelt

robin  posted on  2006-04-08   17:52:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: robin (#82)

Here's the piece of trash Don Tyson.

Lord help us.

Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-04-08   17:55:10 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Uncle Bill (#83)

Drug-Trafficking takes care of all the cash flow problems. What were some of the purposes of the dope money? Some 18 sizeable businesses have reportedly been financed this way, including, reportedly, Tyson Foods, J.B. Hunt Trucking, and Wal-Mart.

Sam Walton's first money came from his wife's father, a prosperous banker.

”We have room but for one flag... We have room but for one language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is the loyality to the American people.” - Theodore Roosevelt

robin  posted on  2006-04-08   18:07:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: robin (#84)

I always thought he pulled himself up by his bootstraps. 8-)

L.S. Robson

Wal-Mart's Walton Family
"L.S. Robson, a prosperous banker and rancher of Claremore, Oklahoma, was more than fortuitous. L.S. Robson lent Walton $20,000, four-fifths of what Sam needed to buy his first store, a Ben Franklin variety store in Newport, Arkansas, in 1945."

To handle the job, Sam Walton hired two of the world's most criminally- connected, dirty-money investment banks.

The first was the Little Rock, Arkansas-based Stephens, Inc., which is the largest private investment bank west of the Mississippi. Its founder was Jackson Stephens, who had worked intensively with such dirty operations as the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), an intelligence cut-out for the financier oligarchy, which financed illegal weapons and drug trade. In 1990, the BCCI was convicted in Miami, of money laundering for the Colombia cocaine cartels. Published reports have also linked Stephens to work with the U.S. National Security Agency.

The second firm Sam Walton selected to handle his IPO, was the investment bank White Weld. White Weld operates on Wall Street, but its headquarters are in Boston. Walton wrote in his autobiography, "I thought we needed a Wall Street underwriter." So much for his alleged independence from Wall Street. The founders of White Weld descended from Boston Brahmin families that had been involved in a treasonous plot, the Hartford Convention of 1814, to split apart the United States. Through a series of corporate marriages, White Weld would merge with both the Swiss banking giant Crédit Suisse, as well as the First National Bank of Boston, eventually becoming Crédit Suisse White Weld, one of the world's largest drug-money laundromats. On Feb. 7, 1985, Federal agents caught Crédit Suisse in a multi-billion-dollar money laundering scheme, for which they were convicted.

These two sinister firms raised more than $4.5 million for Wal-Mart through the Oct. 1, 1970 IPO, and a grateful Mr. Sam placed Jackson Stephens on the board of directors of Wal-Mart."

Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-04-08   18:33:42 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Uncle Bill (#85)

To handle the job, Sam Walton hired two of the world's most criminally- connected, dirty-money investment banks.

Another American icon revealed.

”We have room but for one flag... We have room but for one language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is the loyality to the American people.” - Theodore Roosevelt

robin  posted on  2006-04-08   18:35:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: Indrid Cold (#27)

Fourth, while they're living 10-to-a-trailer situations right now, they have their sights solidly set on becoming middle class, without expecting anyone to just "gift" that position to them. Reparations, anyone?

? You don't live around either blacks or latinos, do you?

You seem to be confusing Asians with Latinos as well. BTW silver has gone through the roof lately. :)

God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02] More and more of our imports come from overseas. - George W. Bush

RickyJ  posted on  2006-04-08   19:19:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: robin (#86)

Another American icon revealed.

What a joke is it all.

Lod  posted on  2006-04-08   19:19:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: RickyJ (#87)

http://www.goguest.com/quicktime/halloween.mov

ping

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   19:21:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: lodwick (#88)

angry people make me laugh.

Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2006-04-08   19:25:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Uncle Bill (#64)

Excellent, Uncle Bill!!!!!!!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-04-08   20:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: RickyJ (#87)

? You don't live around either blacks or latinos, do you?

You seem to be confusing Asians with Latinos as well. BTW silver has gone through the roof lately. :)

Haw! Yeah, buy your silver, lad, surely it'll hit $50 an ounce again!

Actually I do live around Latinos (within a few blocks), and I USED to live around (right next door to) Blacks in south Minneapolis.

I'm not aware of how I'm confusing Latinos with Asians. I deal with a great many Latinos in my pawn shop, as well as having gone to several "Mexican dances" with my wife, and getting to know some Latinos on a personal basis. Hell, I just hired a Puerto Rican as the manager of one of my stores. Yes, I know they have as much in common with Mexicans as I do with Australians, but still. I'm no anthropologist, but I've got a nodding familiarity.

My opinion of Mexicans: A-OK. My opinion of Blacks: Not so impressed. Excluding people like Walter Williams, Oprah, and Bill Cosby, Black culture in America has had nearly 150 years to come up to speed. I think they probably would have pulled it off, had it not been for the welfare bills passed in the 1960s. Up until that time, Blacks had cohesive family units that seemed like they would reach "equality" all on their own. Since that time, the Democrats have been telling them that they "need extra help" (i.e. that they're worthless or retarded), and it has done nothing but damage Black families. Now all they do is shout about what they're entitled to, and I ain't in a givin' mood.

I love children, but I can never finish a whole one.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2006-04-08   23:36:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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