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Title: Video: Shockingly extreme Covid policies in Latin countries
Source: [None]
URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyT ... MrdxXU7sX0JU94oY1AxCekKJoZG11Y
Published: Jun 9, 2020
Author: Amelia and JP
Post Date: 2020-06-09 11:53:37 by NeoconsNailed
Keywords: None
Views: 682
Comments: 11

Coronavirus Update for June 4th, 2020: The travel ban has been lifted so you're now able to fly to Ecuador from other Latin American countries and the US. However, there are lots of restrictions and requirements, including a 14 day hotel quarantine that might make you stay away a little longer.

We also give you a COVID-19 update and share some of the death statistics with you and talk about the current state of the coronavirus quarantine in Ecuador.

Perhaps the hardest hit people don't have the virus and never had it. They are the elderly, disabled, orphans and jobless families of Olón, Montañita and other nearby comunas who have been starving due to lack of food. Since this region of Ecuador relies heavily on tourism and most people earn their income either directly or indirectly from it, the ongoing travel ban has really created a hardship for them. They simply have no money to buy food.

Our fundraiser has been very successful and we're so grateful for all of our donors! We raised over $27,000, but we will officially be out of money this week. There are other fundraisers being run by several of the volunteers, but they're running low on funds, too.

The situation is actually worse now than it was 2 months ago. Not only do the people who live day-to-day still need help, but lots of skilled workers have run through their savings over the past 3 months making it difficult for them to buy food to feed their families.

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Can't remember if I've posted this anywhere here. 'Twas sent by my friend(s) who moved to Ecuador and found problems there. They thought to escape it for Italy but report that Italy is going totally "fascist" with the Covid racket. Think I've convinced 'em to move back to the Upcountry.

I asked 'em why they don't move to Panama. "It's even worse there," came the reply.

How Pinguinite does this video compare with your experience? Hope you can shoot it down. Hope you all are aware how easy it is to change playback speed in YT.

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#1. To: NeoconsNailed (#0)

I don't have the time right now to watch the whole thing but the few mins I watched seem correct. Ecuador is hurting a great deal financially due to oil prices plummeting and tourism stopping. There is also the issue of a dam that was built for power generation causing some severe erosion that was not expected which threatens to take out some essential roadways. One incident involved a landslide that severed some oil pipelines that caused a spill for which the country is being sued. The dam was built by the Chinese and itself has numerous problems, and one article I read lamented the decision to built the dam in the first place due to it's relatively close proximity to an active volcano. Ecuador is in debt to China for the shoddy construction.

Yes, the 2 week quarantine for inbound travelers is real. How that is supposed to help tourism is certainly a big question. So Ecuador has some serious issues, fiscal and otherwise, not even mentioning the propensity of people to protest (potentially shutting down traffic as happened last October) for budget cuts that must happen.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-06-09   12:35:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pinguinite (#1)

I'm revisiting Ecuador online, Ping. The world has changed so radically this year that Ecuador's looking a lot better. Amelia and JP (above) just did an enticing video on the cost of living in Olôn where they live:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7ZKIp9ZpRA

Do you think you might enjoy life more there? I think these two are kind of liberal, but you'd have a ready-made pair of friends with all the contacts. Honestly I like the looks of Guayaquil -- would never want to live right on the ocean because of hurricanes, but Olon is admittedly extremely appealing.

Compared to the situation in America (burning down) and even Panama (bizarre Covidiocy) maybe Ecuador's problems aren't so terribly bad. I know the govt went Covid-crazy there too, but from what I hear it's nothing like some other nice parts of LatAm. Woo!

www.jta.org/1945/07/24/ar...d-by-prominent- journalist

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-10-30   18:34:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: NeoconsNailed (#3)

It seems there's a second wave of covid coming which is a factor everywhere right now. My main concern is the lockdowns that we may see. The Ecuador gov is in tough financial shape and it's made worse by socialism advocated by the indigenous here who like to stage nationwide strikes when they don't get their way, shutting down highways everywhere. They did that a year ago when the gov wanted to remove all gasoline and diesel subsidies. I think they'll have a tougher time doing it again as people are also sick of the lockdown restrictions so I don't think they'll take it lightly when any such repeat protest effectively serves as a lockdown imposed by indigenous protesters.

But that's a bit of an aside to your question. People who do have money do better here than native Ecuadorians, of course, whatever the state of the economy.

Responding to the video: 700/month for rent is what the well-to-do pay here. That's rent paid by people living in a high end gated community. Mine is less than half that and I'm also in a gated community. I think this couple is near the beach which is part of the reason they pay so much.

Hot water heaters: This couple apparently has a hot water tank, like everyone in the USA has. IT stores maybe 50 gallons or whatever which is heated in advance. That's quite unusual, especially at sea level where the climate is tropical. Most people, even at 8k-9k foot altitude where temps are around 70 degrees, have a tankless hot water heater. It starts up when the hot water is turned on, heating the water as it passes through it. It is sufficient to create an endless supply of hot water hot enough to burn you in the shower. That doesn't work so well in the US, at least at higher latitudes, because the initial water temp is usually too cool for a tankless water heater to heat it up enough for shower use. Or so they say.

But utilities expenses are basically too low to hardly mention. I pay about $30/month in electricticy and another 6 for water. At altitude, homes do not need either heating nor AC at any time during the year. Nor are homes insulated. At sea level, AC is needed.

Heating gas is needed for stoves and hot water. It's handled with 40 lb tanks that last a good long while. That gas is subsidized and replacing them costs about 2-3 bucks.

You mention Guayaquil. I've spent some time there and would never live there again. It's just a miserable place to be. It's the biggest city and crime is highest there. It's concrete everywhere. It's always hot during the day and you never want the sun shining on you ever or you'll just start to sweat. Guayaquil is a port city however it's a bit removed from the pacific coast being up a wide river which is part of the heat problem. If one is to be at sea level, be on the coast where the ocean effect help regulate a cooler and comfortable air climate. There are plenty of small towns up and down the coast which would work better for living than Guayaquil.

Everything else they said was pretty much in line with what I'd expect.

As a general rule, money goes about 3x further here than in the USA. There are exceptions, with cars being about 4x more expensive. They hold their value well. Electronics & TV's are also more expensive. But overall, money goes much farther here than in the USA.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-10-31   13:53:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#5. To: Pinguinite (#4)

Boocoo thanks for that nice ample reply. Do you think the indigenous will ever cause serious trouble? By that word I assume you mean what we call Indians here.

Note that Amelia and JP's $700 includes internet etc. Yes, they're very close to the beach but not right on it I think. I've heard of tankless water heaters and often tho't of getting one but my plumber talked my out of it for some reason. Can't you set the temperature wherever you want it?

"At altitude, homes do not need either heating nor AC at any time during the year" -- you're the only one I've ever heard say that, though I'm far more picky than most ppl about temp. Cuenca's temp chart is a little too 60s for me. Did you say that's where you live?

Shocking about Guayaquil -- thanks, have crost it off the list. But every place I look up on the Pacific down there has a history of devastation by hurricanes, and/or quakes at no extra charge. People laff at such concerns but wait till their roof gets blown off or a tree falls on it. Earth crises are rare till one happens. ;)

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-10-31 14:44:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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