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Title: Video: Shockingly extreme Covid policies in Latin countries
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URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyT ... MrdxXU7sX0JU94oY1AxCekKJoZG11Y
Published: Jun 9, 2020
Author: Amelia and JP
Post Date: 2020-06-09 11:53:37 by NeoconsNailed
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Views: 673
Comments: 11

Coronavirus Update for June 4th, 2020: The travel ban has been lifted so you're now able to fly to Ecuador from other Latin American countries and the US. However, there are lots of restrictions and requirements, including a 14 day hotel quarantine that might make you stay away a little longer.

We also give you a COVID-19 update and share some of the death statistics with you and talk about the current state of the coronavirus quarantine in Ecuador.

Perhaps the hardest hit people don't have the virus and never had it. They are the elderly, disabled, orphans and jobless families of Olón, Montañita and other nearby comunas who have been starving due to lack of food. Since this region of Ecuador relies heavily on tourism and most people earn their income either directly or indirectly from it, the ongoing travel ban has really created a hardship for them. They simply have no money to buy food.

Our fundraiser has been very successful and we're so grateful for all of our donors! We raised over $27,000, but we will officially be out of money this week. There are other fundraisers being run by several of the volunteers, but they're running low on funds, too.

The situation is actually worse now than it was 2 months ago. Not only do the people who live day-to-day still need help, but lots of skilled workers have run through their savings over the past 3 months making it difficult for them to buy food to feed their families.

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Can't remember if I've posted this anywhere here. 'Twas sent by my friend(s) who moved to Ecuador and found problems there. They thought to escape it for Italy but report that Italy is going totally "fascist" with the Covid racket. Think I've convinced 'em to move back to the Upcountry.

I asked 'em why they don't move to Panama. "It's even worse there," came the reply.

How Pinguinite does this video compare with your experience? Hope you can shoot it down. Hope you all are aware how easy it is to change playback speed in YT.

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#1. To: NeoconsNailed (#0)

I don't have the time right now to watch the whole thing but the few mins I watched seem correct. Ecuador is hurting a great deal financially due to oil prices plummeting and tourism stopping. There is also the issue of a dam that was built for power generation causing some severe erosion that was not expected which threatens to take out some essential roadways. One incident involved a landslide that severed some oil pipelines that caused a spill for which the country is being sued. The dam was built by the Chinese and itself has numerous problems, and one article I read lamented the decision to built the dam in the first place due to it's relatively close proximity to an active volcano. Ecuador is in debt to China for the shoddy construction.

Yes, the 2 week quarantine for inbound travelers is real. How that is supposed to help tourism is certainly a big question. So Ecuador has some serious issues, fiscal and otherwise, not even mentioning the propensity of people to protest (potentially shutting down traffic as happened last October) for budget cuts that must happen.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-06-09   12:35:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sorry to hear all that. Yes, that oil spill is infamous -- another dark moral stain on the developed countries.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-06-09   12:38:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I'm revisiting Ecuador online, Ping. The world has changed so radically this year that Ecuador's looking a lot better. Amelia and JP (above) just did an enticing video on the cost of living in Olôn where they live:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7ZKIp9ZpRA

Do you think you might enjoy life more there? I think these two are kind of liberal, but you'd have a ready-made pair of friends with all the contacts. Honestly I like the looks of Guayaquil -- would never want to live right on the ocean because of hurricanes, but Olon is admittedly extremely appealing.

Compared to the situation in America (burning down) and even Panama (bizarre Covidiocy) maybe Ecuador's problems aren't so terribly bad. I know the govt went Covid-crazy there too, but from what I hear it's nothing like some other nice parts of LatAm. Woo!

www.jta.org/1945/07/24/ar...d-by-prominent- journalist

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-10-30   18:34:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It seems there's a second wave of covid coming which is a factor everywhere right now. My main concern is the lockdowns that we may see. The Ecuador gov is in tough financial shape and it's made worse by socialism advocated by the indigenous here who like to stage nationwide strikes when they don't get their way, shutting down highways everywhere. They did that a year ago when the gov wanted to remove all gasoline and diesel subsidies. I think they'll have a tougher time doing it again as people are also sick of the lockdown restrictions so I don't think they'll take it lightly when any such repeat protest effectively serves as a lockdown imposed by indigenous protesters.

But that's a bit of an aside to your question. People who do have money do better here than native Ecuadorians, of course, whatever the state of the economy.

Responding to the video: 700/month for rent is what the well-to-do pay here. That's rent paid by people living in a high end gated community. Mine is less than half that and I'm also in a gated community. I think this couple is near the beach which is part of the reason they pay so much.

Hot water heaters: This couple apparently has a hot water tank, like everyone in the USA has. IT stores maybe 50 gallons or whatever which is heated in advance. That's quite unusual, especially at sea level where the climate is tropical. Most people, even at 8k-9k foot altitude where temps are around 70 degrees, have a tankless hot water heater. It starts up when the hot water is turned on, heating the water as it passes through it. It is sufficient to create an endless supply of hot water hot enough to burn you in the shower. That doesn't work so well in the US, at least at higher latitudes, because the initial water temp is usually too cool for a tankless water heater to heat it up enough for shower use. Or so they say.

But utilities expenses are basically too low to hardly mention. I pay about $30/month in electricticy and another 6 for water. At altitude, homes do not need either heating nor AC at any time during the year. Nor are homes insulated. At sea level, AC is needed.

Heating gas is needed for stoves and hot water. It's handled with 40 lb tanks that last a good long while. That gas is subsidized and replacing them costs about 2-3 bucks.

You mention Guayaquil. I've spent some time there and would never live there again. It's just a miserable place to be. It's the biggest city and crime is highest there. It's concrete everywhere. It's always hot during the day and you never want the sun shining on you ever or you'll just start to sweat. Guayaquil is a port city however it's a bit removed from the pacific coast being up a wide river which is part of the heat problem. If one is to be at sea level, be on the coast where the ocean effect help regulate a cooler and comfortable air climate. There are plenty of small towns up and down the coast which would work better for living than Guayaquil.

Everything else they said was pretty much in line with what I'd expect.

As a general rule, money goes about 3x further here than in the USA. There are exceptions, with cars being about 4x more expensive. They hold their value well. Electronics & TV's are also more expensive. But overall, money goes much farther here than in the USA.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-10-31   13:53:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Boocoo thanks for that nice ample reply. Do you think the indigenous will ever cause serious trouble? By that word I assume you mean what we call Indians here.

Note that Amelia and JP's $700 includes internet etc. Yes, they're very close to the beach but not right on it I think. I've heard of tankless water heaters and often tho't of getting one but my plumber talked my out of it for some reason. Can't you set the temperature wherever you want it?

"At altitude, homes do not need either heating nor AC at any time during the year" -- you're the only one I've ever heard say that, though I'm far more picky than most ppl about temp. Cuenca's temp chart is a little too 60s for me. Did you say that's where you live?

Shocking about Guayaquil -- thanks, have crost it off the list. But every place I look up on the Pacific down there has a history of devastation by hurricanes, and/or quakes at no extra charge. People laff at such concerns but wait till their roof gets blown off or a tree falls on it. Earth crises are rare till one happens. ;)

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-10-31   14:44:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Boocoo thanks for that nice ample reply. Do you think the indigenous will ever cause serious trouble? By that word I assume you mean what we call Indians here.

Yes, the indigenous are South American Indians, descended from those the Spanish Conquistadors exploited some 500 years ago. And they were exploited, of course. No question about that. They didn't call them conquistadors for nothing.

Their socialist political ideology is mainly cultural. The smaller a community is, the more socialism works, and when you get to the family level, communism is in fact exactly the right term to describe it. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. That's what family life is about. I think the indigenous often live that way which can still work is very small communities where literally everyone knows everyone else. They have their own judicial system too. You don't want to steal a sheep in them or it could be death for you. Moral codes are also enforced.

But of course, socialism fails in large economic communities but these village people don't understand that. They think that what works for them in their scattered villages should work for the whole country. Last year they staged protests where they shut down highways. They put trees and burning tires on the roadways. For about 11 days, the national economy was shut down. The gov was reluctant to use any kind of real force to keep the roads open. But next time, the gov may not be so tolerant.

Note that Amelia and JP's $700 includes internet etc. Yes, they're very close to the beach but not right on it I think. I've heard of tankless water heaters and often tho't of getting one but my plumber talked my out of it for some reason. Can't you set the temperature wherever you want it?

My internet is about $32 per month and it's also fiber optic and high up time. Not really worth mentioning.

Yes, tankless hot water heaters can be adjusted, of course. They are a different animal though, as the flow rate of the water through the heater is a factor in the produced water temp. The slower it flows, the hotter it is. So if you are in the shower and the water is too hot, you need to turn the hot water UP to increase the flow rate to reduce the temperature, or turn it down to heat it up.

A lot of the poorer people use the electric water heaters which heats the water right in the the shower head. They don't heat water much though, so can only be used with a minimal water flow rate.

Cuenca's temp chart is a little too 60s for me. Did you say that's where you live?

Cuenca has, I think, the highest concentration of American gringos of any city in Ecuador, I think. That's because it was promoted as a great retirement place by certain publications. I don't think it's the best though. The best is near the capital city. It rains a lot in Cuenca and there are 4 rivers flowing through the city. It's not a bad place though -- it's kind of a big town rather than a "city" per se. But it is cooler than where I am.

But every place I look up on the Pacific down there has a history of devastation by hurricanes, and/or quakes at no extra charge.

There are no hurricanes in Ecuador. It's on the equator so it's just not possible for them to exist here. But it is earthquake territory for sure. We had a doozy in 2016 that hit near the coast, over 8.0. But it didn't even lose power where I was because, I think, of the effect of the geography muting the vibrations between the coast and the sierra. It shook us up though.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-10-31   15:09:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

es, tankless hot water heaters can be adjusted, of course. They are a different animal though, as the flow rate of the water through the heater is a factor in the produced water temp. The slower it flows, the hotter it is. So if you are in the shower and the water is too hot, you need to turn the hot water UP to increase the flow rate to reduce the temperature, or turn it down to heat it up.

Do you have a cold water knob to regulate the temp too?

You seem to be right about hurricanes BUT 'El Niño wreaks havoc on Ecuador. El Niño warms the water of the Pacific, and brings heavy rainfall and floods to Ecuador. This weather pattern disrupts the economy, especially in coastal cities'

https://www.anywhere.com/ecuador/questions/geography-weather/are- there-hurricanes-or-earthquakes

Funny thing, I haven't heard a word about any such thing except there.... are you able to say where the best weather in EC is to be found?

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-10-31   16:59:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you have a cold water knob to regulate the temp too?

Yes, but it's normally not used. For one's home, one can adjust the flame in the heater to be optimal for the water pressure / flow rate. Obviously everyone likes max flow rate so temp is adjusted for that.

But you really can't use the cold water nob to cool the water, as turning it on reduces pressure for the hot water side, which slows the hot water flow rate, which increases the hot water temp. So any use of cold water is really counterproductive when showering. And if the flow rate is too low and the water heater gets too hot, it shuts off for a few mins as a safety measure.

You seem to be right about hurricanes BUT 'El Niño wreaks havoc on Ecuador. El Niño warms the water of the Pacific, and brings heavy rainfall and floods to Ecuador. This weather pattern disrupts the economy, especially in coastal cities'

There are occasional floods in the coastal towns in various places, and Cuenca has had it's rivers overflow. But where I am, no, flooding has never been a problem.

Funny thing, I haven't heard a word about any such thing except there.... are you able to say where the best weather in EC is to be found?

Best weather for seasoned gringos is in the sierra, probably around 7000 foot altitude. It's spring time all year long. Just have a 4 month dry season and an 8 month rainy season. Though even in the rainy season, mornings are usually clear and sunny.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-11-01   0:14:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

But you really can't use the cold water nob to cool the water, as turning it on reduces pressure for the hot water side, which slows the hot water flow rate, which increases the hot water temp.

Sheesh, complicated! Anybody know if it's similar with US models?

I don't like spring -- too much like winter ;) I dream of a place that's about 75 year round, but I don't expect it to be an otherwise desirable place. And I don't like the idea of living way high -- guests or meself might have breathing problems, as one of the Lewises did. But thanksomuch for that input.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-11-02   2:29:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sheesh, complicated! Anybody know if it's similar with US models?

It would seem a reasonable design would adjust the flame to match the water flow rate to create a consistent temperature, but I've not yet seen a design like that. Not that I've been looking for one.

Though even that design might be less that perfect, as the water temp as it comes out of the shower is also affected by the length of time it takes the hot water to get from the heater (always located outside the house) to the shower. So if you slow the water rate, even if it's the same temp coming out of the heater, it will be cooler by the time it gets to you. All fun and games.

I don't like spring -- too much like winter ;)

Well for me, it's spring in Maryland. That is, late April, early May. If you are from the northern Rockies, then it's probably more like early summer or something.

I dream of a place that's about 75 year round, but I don't expect it to be an otherwise desirable place. And I don't like the idea of living way high -- guests or meself might have breathing problems, as one of the Lewises did. But thanksomuch for that input

Choosing the altitude, which you can pretty much do, determines your climate. There are lower places.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-11-02   2:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Choosing the altitude, which you can pretty much do, determines your climate. There are lower places.

That's the only place besides besides Boquete etc in Panama I've heard this of, but surely it's common in some parts of the world. Why can't I find any in the USA -- FL and S. Ga. are flat, TX has mountains but prolly no year-round even climates. Sierra Vista AZ is like 15 mi from Mexico and has basicly the same weather we do in SC!

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-11-02   3:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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