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Title: A Warning for Americans: A Message from a South African
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sierratimes.com
URL Source: http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/ ... ticles/2001/mar/arrn031201.htm
Published: Apr 10, 2006
Author: Self
Post Date: 2006-04-10 07:00:52 by robnoel
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Views: 1598
Comments: 83
People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa (but so did pornography and the gay* rights movement). Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveals trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country. America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your Western character.
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#1. To: robnoel (#0)
Rob's been there, seen that, and I don't know if he got the tee-shirt or not. You can listen to his thoughts on http://www.rbnlive.com .
Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western politicians now have a similar problem on their own doorsteps: the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside the realm. We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad (not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your neighbor" philosophy -- none of which are part of the Third World's history. Thank you for sharing. You have tried to warn us. I wonder if europe and the UK are listening.
”We have room but for one flag... We have room but for one language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is the loyality to the American people.” - Theodore Roosevelt
Perfect closing paragraph.
”We have room but for one flag... We have room but for one language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is the loyality to the American people.” - Theodore Roosevelt
Great piece.
Rob, I think it's too late. We're already there. I love your commentary anyway.
Good to see you here. Really. :)
"Et cognoscetis veritatem, et veritas liberabit vos." ("And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.") ---Jesus
I hadn't thought about the Anti-Apartheid model as being applicable in the USA. Why not; here come the Mexicans! "Christian Guilt" as a psyops weapon; what will Israel think of next? Cutting off Goliath's head with his own sword; it's working!
LOL! The end of the Apartheid state is one of the better things that happened to South Afrika. If they don't like it, they can always go back to Europe. Fuck this colonial racialist nostalgic windbag. If South Africa really turned bad, it'd be Zimbabwe.
If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson
South Africa is a better country today. America successfully dismantled it's own Apartheid system in the 60's and avoided a race war due to the far reaching genius and vision of MLK. South Africa may have done the same but didn't. They should be happy that despite the intransigency of the NumbNuts, they did not have a race war.
If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson
That comment just shows your stupidity. The same thing could be said to us, here in North America.
How would you know? Have you ever been there?
Figgers it went right over your head.
If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson
Primarily because any system of racial superiority runs on fear. Once the oppressed don' fear you, you either kill 'em or make a deal. SouthAfrikaners made a deal.
If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson
How so? How is your position any different than the "reconquesta" types who want North America back?
Because no one's leaving. Either here or in SA. In SA whites were a dominant minority. If they hadn't cut a deal with the Blacks 90% of the population, they would've been force to fight or flee. And diverting this thread from SA to Reconquista is silly. After all, all the Mexicans here are speaking another European language, Spanish. So, it's like a family brawl here. And Mexicans aren't a economically dominant minority, like whites in SA. Silly analogies.
If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson
What makes you think Apartheid was based on "racial superiority"? Do you even know what the word means? Have you ever lived out of the USA? Have you ever been to Africa? What do you base your opinions on, TV?
WoW! Why don't you tell me what it was based on? Goodwill to Man and Kumbaya, I assume.
If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson
Not at all, it's the same thing. What does that have to do with anything? BTW What's your position on "amnesty" for wetbacks?
I want them all in ASAP with no English requirement. After all, if it's good for Marriotts and meatpackers I'm AOK with it. After all, we've been letting them in for a long time now. Learn Spanish, cracker. Your daughters will.
If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson
So tell us, what do you know about the world, besides (of course) what you see on TV?
I already have, how about you?
So what was Apartheid based on? You gonna tell or just keep asking rhetorical questions. Don't know much about the world. And as an American, I don't care. As long as we terrorise it to preserve 3 dollar a gallon gas.
If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson
Me learn Spanish?. Hell, no. Why? The guys from Tipico's Puerto Rican BBQ place understand English just fine.
If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson
It means and was based on separate development. Maybe you should go to Joburg and walk around at night, to see what a success SA is today. Or better yet, ask the families of the hundreds of white farmers who have been murdered what a great and happy multicultural paradise SA is today.
Seperate and most definitely not equal. Please, the distribution of state resources was designed to permanently keep the blacks in a state of semistarvation, ignorance and crushing poverty. I won't go to Johannesburg, are you nuts? Tho on the bright side, it's prolly safer than Baghdad. When a system ends, some violence will happen. If the South Africans had moved in the 50's or 60's the violence may very well have not happened. Either way, the dignitiy of the Black African was trampled on every day. Now a few whites get a little payback. Lemme get my handkerchief.
If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson
It is more serious in South Africa than a few whites getting payback. Their economy is very bad now, bad for everyone. Whatever inequities existed, the solution found was not healthy for anyone.
”We have room but for one flag... We have room but for one language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is the loyality to the American people.” - Theodore Roosevelt
Based on what? We never get news about SA, if there were race riots or things were that unbearable for the whites, we might hear about it. Googling South Africa or any of it's major cities doesn't show any state of chaos. Try it. Shows more or less a normal democratic country with it's share of bumps. No way is anyone going to convince me that SA was some paragon of Utopia in the apartheid days. It was, for a very small bunch of White SA's. For the rest, it was HELL. Yes, things have improved and the country is better for the decisions it made in the 90's.
If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson
Geez, they were simply trifling, eh? Whatever inequities existed, hell, the whole country was based on Maximum Inequity. How the hell can you say that. It was a total obscentity, apartheid SA. The most essential thing is the blacks aren't under the jackboots of the whites. Some whites may have problems with that, but reading the items listed in Google gives you a good idea that the country is a far better place today than in some bullshit, rose colored glass nostalgic vision of yesterday.
If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson
So hellish that South Africa then, too, had an immigration problem from the rest of Africa. What civilization they had was due to whites. Period.
Wait until Mandela dies.
Now we get into immigration from other African hellholes into SA. No doubt about that. But, go ahead, put lipstick on that Apartheid pig.
If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson
Absolutely. Better than the alternatives. Except, perhaps, for never colonizing SA in the first place. On balance, in the long run, colonialism sure sucked for whitey.
On balance, in the long run, colonialism sure sucked for whitey. Oy, now that's a LOOOONG discussion. And pretty much moot, Colonialism happened, and for a variety of reasons. And colonialism would not have been successful if not for the venality and greed of many of the rulers of to be colonized countries. Blaming Europeans exclusively is silly; the rulers of places like Africa and Asia deserve a lot of the credit, too. By their incompetence, greed and local rivalries, they allowed their own countries to be taken over. I wouldn't say it sucked for Europe. If they hadn't fallen into WorldWarOne, the wealth expropriated from the colonies would have lasted them well and a lot longer.
If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson
I'm not denying there were inequities. I'm suggesting a safer solution for all could have been found. You seem to believe that colonization had no benefits whatsoever, I disagree. Everyone is aware that apartheid is not a healthy system. But throwing the baby out with the bath water is no solution either.
”We have room but for one flag... We have room but for one language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is the loyality to the American people.” - Theodore Roosevelt
And I maintain that that solution has been found in SA today. The economic power of the whites was maintained; there was no wholesale emigration out by whites, there was no full blown race war. And the society seems to be getting along fine today. I don't see SA as a basket case as you seem to.
If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson
It will be sweet justice indeed when all the illegal farm workers do to the farmers and ranchers here what has been done to those in Zimbabwe. They imported all those people as cheap labor and an mythical ancestral rights movement like the Aztlan movement gained strength. Add the communist agitators like we are seeing here now with the immigrant rights marches and what we will have in a few years is Zimbabwe and South Africa. I wonder when they start killing whites if the morons in this country will finally get a clue.
and if they get a clue, will they act?
Native American Indians will have nothing to do with Mexican illegals. Recently, one wrote a great article about how in past times, they chased them to Mexico more than once. I only wish they could do it again. There is an attempt to ignore the prior claim by Native Americans to Aztlan by La Raza and friends.
”We have room but for one flag... We have room but for one language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is the loyality to the American people.” - Theodore Roosevelt
Ford Foundation owns Aztlan radicalism lock, stock, and barrel. We have to merge with the Soviet Union, you know.
Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs
Anyone who does not look like they are related to Chertoff (at least in spirit) will be shown to their FEMA bunk in ”We have room but for one flag... We have room but for one language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is the loyality to the American people.” - Theodore Roosevelt
I recommend shoe polish. And guns. Good luck!
Thanks for Prohibition and the war against drugs. Thanks for a country where nobody's allowed to mind their own business. Thanks for a nation of finks. Yes, thanks for all the memories-- all right let's see your arms!- William S Burroughs
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#2. To: robnoel (#0)
Yet Westerners continue to mistake the psychology of the Third World and its peoples.
#3. To: All, *The Border* (#2)
"When the Cambrian measures were forming, they promised perpetual peace,
They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would
cease.
But when we disarmed they sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: 'Stick to the Devil you know.'
.......Kipling
#4. To: robnoel (#0)
I use antlers in all of my decorating.
#5. To: robnoel (#0)
#6. To: robnoel (#0)
#7. To: robnoel, Christine, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Arator, Brian S, A K A Stone, Steppenwolf, Bub, mugwort, bluegrass, Bill D Berger, FormerLurker, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, Neil McIver, tom007, aristeides, Burkeman1, Diana, (#0)
Great piece for America.
#8. To: robnoel (#0)
#9. To: robnoel (#0)
#10. To: swarthyguy, robnoel (#8)
If they don't like it, they can always go back to Europe.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#11. To: swarthyguy (#9)
South Africa is a better country today.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#12. To: Flintlock (#10)
#13. To: Flintlock (#11)
#14. To: swarthyguy (#12)
Figgers it went right over your head.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#15. To: Flintlock (#14)
#16. To: swarthyguy (#13)
Primarily because any system of racial superiority runs on fear.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#17. To: Flintlock (#16)
What makes you think Apartheid was based on "racial superiority"?
#18. To: swarthyguy (#15)
And diverting this thread from SA to Reconquista is silly.
After all, all the Mexicans here are speaking another European language, Spanish. So, it's like a family brawl here.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#19. To: Flintlock (#18)
#20. To: swarthyguy (#17)
Goodwill to Man and Kumbaya, I assume.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#21. To: swarthyguy (#19)
Learn Spanish, cracker.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#22. To: Flintlock (#20)
#23. To: Flintlock (#21)
#24. To: swarthyguy (#22)
So what was Apartheid based on?
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#25. To: Flintlock (#24)
It means and was based on separate development.
#26. To: swarthyguy (#25)
#27. To: robin (#26)
#28. To: robin (#26)
Whatever inequities existed
#29. To: swarthyguy (#27)
For the rest, it was HELL.
I use antlers in all of my decorating.
#30. To: swarthyguy (#28)
far better place today
I use antlers in all of my decorating.
#31. To: Tauzero (#29)
#32. To: swarthyguy (#31)
But, go ahead, put lipstick on that Apartheid pig.
I use antlers in all of my decorating.
#33. To: Tauzero (#32)
Except, perhaps, for never colonizing SA in the first place.
#34. To: swarthyguy (#28)
#35. To: robin (#34)
#36. To: christine (#5)
#37. To: willyone (#36)
I wonder when they start killing whites if the morons in this country will finally get a clue.
#38. To: willyone (#36)
#39. To: robin (#38)
#40. To: Dakmar (#39)
Siberia Wyoming.
#41. To: robin (#40)
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