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Title: Mr. President: If Minutemen Are Vigilantes, What Do You Call 500,000 Illegal Aliens Demanding Rights?
Source: newsbyus.com
URL Source: http://newsbyus.com/more.php?id=3000_0_1_0
Published: Apr 10, 2006
Author: By: Citizen Conservative
Post Date: 2006-04-10 18:13:32 by Mind_Virus
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Views: 105
Comments: 15

Mr. President: If Minutemen Are Vigilantes, What Do You Call 500,000 Illegal Aliens Demanding Rights?

By: Citizen Conservative: on Apr 10, 2006

When the Minutemen set up shop at the Arizona border last year to call attention to the illegal alien loophole in US Homeland Security, President Bush foolishly chided these brave patriots by calling them vigilantes. Although chagrined at being deserted by the man who has the constitutional responsibility and authority to defend our borders, the Minutemen dug in their heels and persisted. And persisted.

Their Yankee determination to do the right thing was rewarded when President Bush finally sent additional border patrol agents to Arizona. Even the Mexican government was motivated to pay greater attention, at least temporarily, because of the due diligence of heroic Minutemen.

Before the Minuteman took their courageous stand, open border advocates and anti-American liberals insisted it was “impossible” to stop illegal immigration. Best to just accept reality, learn Spanish, and switch to rice and beans as food stables, according to the leftists and Hispanic racists.

Thank God, the Minutemen PROVED illegal aliens CAN be stopped, thereby delivering a great victory on behalf of all American citizens.

Now, with hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants and advocates taking over the streets of American cities and demanding rights they are not entitled to, where in the hell is our alleged President?

How is that a few hundred retired seniors with lawn chairs and cell phones are vigilantes, while 500,000 people with no legal or moral basis for being here are able to romp through Los Angeles and Dallas, without so much as a peep from Mr. Bush?

Does Mr. Bush even understand that America is on the brink of civil war? Must violence and bloodshed erupt before this president secures the borders and takes appropriate actions to remove those here illegally?

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#1. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

Not so long ago I spent a great deal of time arguing with people about the Constitutionality of citizens receiving socialism such as social security, SSI, food stamps, welfare, medicare, tuition, etc., and now I find myself arguing with people about whether illegal aliens can have it.

Press 1 for English, Press 2 for deportation

Uncle Bill  posted on  2006-04-10   18:18:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Mind_Virus, Christine, Diana, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Arator, Brian S, A K A Stone, Steppenwolf, Bub, mugwort, bluegrass, Bill D Berger, FormerLurker, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, Neil McIver, tom007, aristeides, Burkeman1, Diana, All (#0)

Start with the fact that ALL offenders are CURRENTLY covered, not just the Mexicans.

At the moment, ALL the 'illegals' are criminals.

If they are documented, they are 'busted.'

If they are on record for past offenses, they are ineligible for 'legal' status - UNLESS there is an "amnesty" in any new law. (God forbid!)

The same is true of any U.S. employers, which can be documented.

"Mr. Smith, while you were working under-the-table along with all those Mexicans; you're not covered under this law, besides back-taxes owed; you have the right to remain silent, you have the right..."

Keep this one in perspective!


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-04-10   18:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: SKYDRIFTER (#2)

How is that a few hundred retired seniors with lawn chairs and cell phones are vigilantes, while 500,000 people with no legal or moral basis for being here are able to romp through Los Angeles and Dallas, without so much as a peep from Mr. Bush?

Well of course because he wants them here, he invited them over with his talk of amnesty.

”We have room but for one flag... We have room but for one language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is the loyality to the American people.” - Theodore Roosevelt

robin  posted on  2006-04-10   18:41:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin, all (#3)

Well of course because he wants them here, he invited them over with his talk of amnesty.

There has to be a method to apparent madness.

My hunch is that there is a general war on labor - period.

BUT, so much of "America" is being internally and systematically eroded, I suspect that it's far more than just that.

That article from South Africa brings a fresh perspective to U.S. politics.

Are we being programmed to 'buy" into a 'peacable' situation - guaranteed to get radically worse, or stand up for the "America" that we love?

I choose the latter.


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-04-10   19:12:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

One of the selling points of NAFTA was increased economic success in Mexico would reduce the rush of illegals to the USA.

After well over a decade of corporations, both large and small, using illegal labor without any severe penalties has made them virtually essential.

Imagine the head of Tyson or Marriott being handcuffed and perpwalked for hiring illegals. We didn't do that. In fact, as illegals moved into the restaurant and landscaping and construction, employers have become dependent upon them.

As of right now, they're here and they're staying. There's no constituency to ship 'em out.

And to avoid creating an permanent underclass, the only solution is legalisation/amnesty/citizenship access. Otherwise, guest workers don't leave, as we see in Europe, and if denied the benefits of citizenship, the results could be volatile. But, we do engage in self inflicted madness; driver's tests and voting ballots in Spanish, schools where the primary language becomes Spanish etc etc. Face it, for all intents and purposes, the USA is now a bilingual society with it's most significant minority component coming from the detritus of the Spanish Empire.

If we can impeach a President for lying about a blow job from an intern, the time has come to impeach a President from giving the American people a line of bullshit about Iraq used to justify a war that has left almost 2400 American soldiers dead. George Bush did not leak to protect America. He leaked to cover his ass. That, my friends, is the definition of a coward. -Larry Johnson

swarthyguy  posted on  2006-04-10   19:22:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: swarthyguy (#5)

There's no constituency to ship 'em out.

The polls indicate otherwise. The problem is not the constituency, the problem is a serious lack of representation in D.C.:

According to numerous surveys and polls, Americans are not in favor of the mass adoption of all these aliens into our national family as brothers. Gallup Poll: 80% want tougher immigration policies. Quinnipiac University Poll: 62% do not want it easy for illegals to become citizens and 72% do not think illegals should have driver’s licenses. Time Magazine: 72% want major penalties on employers of illegals, 70 % believe the threat of terrorism is increased by the presence of illegals and 57% advocate the use of the military on the border. NBC/Wall Street Journal: 59% are opposed to a guest-worker program. IQ Research: 92% said that border security should be the number one priority.

Studies of various demographic groups also show opposition to rewarding aliens for being in the country illegally. When Arizona’s Proposition 200, which denied state services to illegal aliens, was passed just two years ago, it received most of its support from the poor and minorities. Not surprisingly, 72% of those from families of less than $15,000 wanted the state to cut back on benefits to illegals. Exit polling recorded that 65% of blacks, Native Americans and Asians favored the measure. Interestingly, 47% of the state’s Latino citizens voted for Prop 200.

The Border Patrol agents want to round them up, and have done, but Asa Hutchison told them to let them all go.

”We have room but for one flag... We have room but for one language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty, and that is the loyality to the American people.” - Theodore Roosevelt

robin  posted on  2006-04-10   19:32:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: SKYDRIFTER (#4)

............or stand up for the "America" that we love?

I want you to know that I agree with you completely. I am concerned, though, with the President's military. He is, we should remind ourselves, the C.I.C. of all the military. That includes even the Coast Guard, maybe even the Merchant Marine? Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, etc. Throw in Blackwater for good measure. FBI, ATF, NSA, BATF, yikes - you name it. We're talkin' a lotta folks here. Oh, yeah, they're Good Americans All - BUT - so many of them have been in the service for several years, thereby thinking now of retirement, benefits, medical, whatever. All the benefits that put food into their mouth and into the mouths of their wives and children.... Those are the guys we would be fighting if we 'stood up for America'. They have weaponry we never even have dreamed of. They would laugh at our M-1's and AR-15's. Their satellites can find us wherever we are. Plus - they really don't feel much solidarity with us, anyway. If Jorge says 'sic-em!', they'll bite us without thinking. I'm a paleo-Conservative. I'll stand up for America. Anyway. P.S. Jorge would easily Federalize all local police forces, also.....

Bub  posted on  2006-04-10   19:38:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Bub (#7)

They have weaponry we never even have dreamed of. They would laugh at our M-1's and AR-15's.

We laughed at the Iraqi's AK-47s and Makarov pistols in 2003 too. Looks like the joke's on FEDGOV.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death" - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2006-04-10   19:41:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Bub (#7)

I seriously doubt that too many troops would attack civilians, on a wholesale basis. Yeah, we've had our "Wacos." Those are pretty isolated, as bad as they were.

In any event, I'll risk those troops, before I'll submit to slavery - "...in the name of the state."


SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-04-10   19:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Bub (#7)

this is what i've always said, Bub, they've got us beat because there are too many in this country dependent on a government check in one way or another. we're outmanned.

christine  posted on  2006-04-10   19:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#8)

We laughed at the Iraqi's AK-47s and Makarov pistols in 2003 too. Looks like the joke's on FEDGOV.

I certainly appreciate your comment - it is a hopeful one and I like it; plus, I'm always thankful whenever anyone can make me think I possibly am wrong in my assertions. If I'm wrong, I'll do well; If I'm right, I won't... Christine, you're right - they have the numbers and, as you say, they are dependent (happily, I think) on government. I wonder if there is anyone in the military who has read our Constitution from cover to cover. Well, I wonder the same about our civilian population. I also wonder why I don't just shut up...

Bub  posted on  2006-04-10   21:08:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Bub (#7)

Those are the guys we would be fighting if we 'stood up for America'. They have weaponry we never even have dreamed of. They would laugh at our M-1's and AR-15's. Their satellites can find us wherever we are. Plus - they really don't feel much solidarity with us, anyway. If Jorge says 'sic-em!', they'll bite us without thinking. I'm a paleo-Conservative. I'll stand up for America. Anyway. P.S. Jorge would easily Federalize all local police forces, also.....

They wouldn't just bite us without thinking....they would gleefully do it with a song in their hearts. Make no mistake about this.

"These aren't the droids you're looking for...

orangedog  posted on  2006-04-10   21:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: SKYDRIFTER (#4)

There has to be a method to apparent madness.

I used to think that.

I thought, "Gee, these are the most qualified people in the country to run our nation. If something seems on the surface to be fucked up, there must naturally be some kind of hidden plan that we're not seeing."

For good, bad, or ill, there had to be some kind of secret plan. Because, of course, such qualified people wouldn't let America go down the shitter without at least some kind of greedy payback.

Now I'm not so sure. I think they just might be as incompetent as they appear. Pretenders to the throne, put in place by corporate machinery and organized labor--once they reach the loftiest heights, they realize that they don't have a damn clue as to how to run things, or, if they do have a clue, they can't overcome the inertia of entrenched federal employees. The trick is to keep the citizens from finding that out for 4 or 8 years.

I love children, but I can never finish a whole one.

Indrid Cold  posted on  2006-04-10   22:16:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: orangedog (#12)

they would gleefully do it with a song in their hearts

Sorrowfully, you are right. I remember Ruby Ridge. I remember Waco. I remember a poster's comment from a week ago: "This isn't your father's country any more".

Bub  posted on  2006-04-10   22:52:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Indrid Cold (#13)

Mencken was right.

All the leaders of groups tend to be frauds. If they were not, it would be impossible for them to retain the allegiance of their dupes...

Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule--and both commonly succeed, and are right... The United States has never developed an aristocracy really disinterested or an intelligentsia really intelligent. Its history is simply a record of vacillations between two gangs of frauds.

The theory behind representative government is that superior men--or at all events, men not inferior to the average in ability and integrity--are chosen to manage the public business, and that they carry on this work with reasonable intelligence and honesty. There is little support for that theory in the known facts...

The typical lawmaker of today is a man devoid of principle--a mere counter in a grotesque and knavish game. If the right pressure could be applied to him he would be cheerfully in favor of polygamy, astrology, or cannibalism.

...an aristocracy must constantly justify its existence. In other words, there must be no artificial conversion of its present strength into perpetual rights. The way must be always open for the admission of strong men from the lower orders, and the way must be always open, too, for the expulsion of men whose strength fails.

Suppose two-thirds of the members of the national House of Representatives were dumped into the Washington garbage incinerator tomorrow, what would we lose to offset our gain of their salaries and the salaries of their parasites?

Lincoln marked the half-way post on the road to the sewers [in presidents].

A professional politician is a professionally dishonorable man. In order to get anywhere near high office he has to make so many compromises and submit to so many humiliations that he becomes indistinguishable from a streetwalker.

And finally.....

The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.

The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

mirage  posted on  2006-04-11   3:01:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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