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Title: Chemtrail Thread, - Post any any such activity in your area.
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Published: Apr 14, 2006
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Post Date: 2006-04-14 17:42:57 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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#19. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#7)
I'm sorry to inform you that you have a case of terminal small cox.
Hey Fred. I'd like to know what your problem is with me. What did I do to you? Hmmmmm???
My glands in my neck are puffed up. My face is also swollen to the point of my being un-recognizable.
#20. To: Fred Mertz (#19)
 | What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#21. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#20)
You never responded to me about your piece of art offer for $500 to be donated to elPee. I have a new email addy since then. Don't you have a sense of humor?
#22. To: Fred Mertz (#21)
No actually I don't have a sense of humor. Second, regarding the donation to LP, when they pulled their bullshit with me, and I walked, all the support I offered went with it.
| What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#23. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#22)
I'll try to remember that in the future. Laughter is a healthy thing.
No actually I don't have a sense of humor.
#24. To: Fred Mertz (#23)
I just pm'ed you with some info in regards to the statue that isn't finished yet.
| What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#25. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#24)
I got it. Thanks.
#26. To: SKYDRIFTER, ALL, zipporah, christine (#17)
Just re-educated myself. Here is the best site anyone will every find on contrails...and why chemical spraying [in this manner] just ain't so. If anyone is secretly spraying us, they are doing it in an ambiguous and invisible manner, not from airliners. Notice the pictures on the site. Some contrails at different altitudes, depending on moisture content, stay thinner and diminish more rapidly, while others spread and become clouds. This is all normal! I am one of the biggest conspiracy believers out there, but this is one that just isn't happening....at least not in this highly visible manner
#27. To: IndieTX (#26)
I tend to agree with you. While I believe our government is literally capable of just about anything they can technologically do, I don't generally believe that they are poisoning us on a mass scale as I don't see how THEY could avoid the effects of such poisoning. Everyone has to breathe. That's why I don't generally believe the plague scenarios (unless the govt has a working vaccine, which I don't really believe considering the history of vaccines). The problem is that govt officials and/or the families/friends would also be subject to these contagions as well as the general populace.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
#28. To: mehitable (#27)
Lucky for us.. ;-)
The problem is that govt officials and/or the families/friends would also be subject to these contagions as well as the general populace.
#29. To: IndieTX (#26)
I am one of the biggest conspiracy believers out there, but this is one that just isn't happening....at least not in this highly visible manner The Ozone Hole Hey.. how's Texas today?? ;) Thanks for the link.. there's another site.. I'll see if I can find it.. owned by a meterologist.. you may find it really interesting and would compliment..
Just re-educated myself. Here is the best site anyone will every find on contrails...and why chemical spraying [in this manner] just ain't so. If anyone is secretly spraying us, they are doing it in an ambiguous and invisible manner, not from airliners. Notice the pictures on the site. Some contrails at different altitudes, depending on moisture content, stay thinner and diminish more rapidly, while others spread and become clouds. This is all normal!
#30. To: mehitable (#27)
They worship death - just like the professor here at UT who is calling for the elimination of 90% of the earth's population. In the SW skies today are all kinds of X's and crosses of chemtrails.
The problem is that govt officials and/or the families/friends would also be subject to these contagions as well as the general populace.
#31. To: Zipporah, ALL, SKYDRIFTER (#29)
Thanks for the link.. there's another site.. I'll see if I can find it.. owned by a meterologist Texas is 80's and windy. Lots of contrails over DFW VORTAC [as usual] all with different characteristics depending on the air's moisture content/altitude of airliners. Lots of crossing patterns, because the jets are all crossing the 8 VORTACs around the DFW area alone on different headings as they fly their IFR high-altitude jet routes, which make natural x and h patterns. These VORTACS are scattered all over the country relatively close together in both populated and remote areas. The number of contrail "patterns" possible is endless since aircraft may either be using the radio navigation aids, or cleared "direct" by passing the NAV stations and using GPS only. Hey.. how's Texas today?? ;)
#32. To: IndieTX (#31)
OH wow!! I was talking to Chris a bit earlier today and she said the same thing!! Freaky stuff! .. here we had a tornado warning late last night high winds etc..today just a gorgeous Kentucky day ;) here ya go btw .. Texas is 80's and windy. Lots of contrails over DFW VORTAC [as usual] all with different characteristics depending on the air's moisture content/altitude of airliners. Lots of crossing patterns, because the jets are all crossing the 8 VORTACs around the DFW area alone on different headings as they fly their IFR high-altitude jet routes, which make natural x and h patterns. These VORTACS are scattered all over the country relatively close together in both populated and remote areas. The number of contrail "patterns" possible is endless since aircraft may either be using the radio navigation aids, or cleared "direct" by passing the NAV stations and using GPS only
#33. To: Zipporah (#29)
true color image over the Midwest also showing aging contrails, Palikonda et al, (2005). 
http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/newcontrail/Nov.13.MODIS.01.jpg
#34. To: IndieTX (#33)
Oh wow.. check that out.. the 'cross hatching' certainly not a natural cloud pattern.. is it??
#35. To: All, SKYDRIFTER, zipporah (#31)
The Chem-spray folks claim the first image is being done purposely and are, in fact, chemtrails. "My aren't we busy.....etc.." Can anyone not notice the similarity between the two pictures?? Now draw more lines over different navigation aids [the rings] on my map from different angles and look at all the additional pretty H's and Xs you get, just like the looney's "chemtrail" pic. By the way, the sky above DFW airport looks almost exactly like this today because of the moisture content of the air at high altutude this particular day, and the number of VORTACs here. But then, how many times must I repeat myself? ;-) I can't make this point any clearer than I have in my 3 posts.
#36. To: Zipporah (#34)
no they're contrails...just like the lines on my map.
Oh wow.. check that out.. the 'cross hatching' certainly not a natural cloud pattern.. is it??
#37. To: IndieTX (#35)
Now you've introduced the dreaded YellowArrow of Doom.
Oh dear.
#38. To: IndieTX (#35)
We're not getting any today. We have natural clouds. Funny how those things only appear when natural clouds don't, unless it's a day before a low-pressure system is coming through. :-D
#39. To: IndieTX (#36)
here's something you'll find interesting time lapse of contrails On this page..there are several: http://www.weatherwars.info/index.php?news_id=41&start=0&category_id=&parent_id=0&arcyear=&arcmonth= Watch an active morning of chemtrailing which this day was used to determine the extent of and measure the actions of the EM-energies over the Mountain West as a cut-off low off of the California coast was just beginning to advance inland which would eventually assist in the determination of the path of hurricane Wilma toward the Mexican Yucatan coastal communities. These communities took a thrashing because this low far into the American west did not advance eastward as quickly as forecast resulting in Wilma lingering over Cancun and Cozumel far far longer than ever expected. This is why it is so important to understand what is going up upstream weather wise because in three, four even ten days time it will effect conditions downstream. This is why the chemtrails are flown great distances out over the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans... and why southern Alaska is often gridded up with these trails from non-commercial aircraft as manipulating its weather greatly impacts the West Coast of the continent in short order. Note the exact locations, and behaviors, where one chemtrail crosses another. Each crossing, each marking has its significance.
no they're contrails...just like the lines on my map.
#40. To: Grumble Jones (#38)
This is what I saw the other day here over DFW that first made me think something was ...man-made: 
I'm still researching. I may be a looney, too, if I can't find an explanation for that little piece of work..
#41. To: IndieTX (#40)
I don't think it's for population control by spreading viruses, etc. However, samples have been taken by private investigators and they've found that they contain aluminum and barrium. I'm in the mindset that the purpose is to reflect sunlight or some other type of weather modification. We usually get sprayed before a weather front moves through. All I know it's not normal for them to spread out the way they do and then hang in the air for hours.
#42. To: Grumble Jones, ALL (#41)
OK. Here is the the same phenomenon I saw over DFW the other night with the contrails "cutting off" abruptly. In fact, this morning I actually saw two "tight circle/paper clip" shape contrails at high altitude...an obvious military jet(s). There were two. One downstream, but tight to the first, and slightly more dissipated, caused by a twin-jet fighter or two single-jet fighters in formation, with the wind drfiting the twin contrails downstream perpendicular to the length of the "paperclip" shaped route they flew. Yes, military aircraft can legally fly through the same airspace we do, as I have been on the same frequency with them many times while on IFR. [Yeah they have MTR's and Restricted Areas also, but anyone who thinks a military aircraft can not perform a tight turn while under IFR and ARTCC contact in controlled airspace is very misinformed. Miliray areas restrict civilian operations, but civilian airspace does not restrict military traffic except as determined by FAR's and ATC clearance.] After further investigation, I found an explanation. First, more on what contrails are: One meteorologist explains that the dashed line effect is caused by the jet flying perpendicular to several airstreams of different characteristics [already discussed the causes.] In conclusion, if you cumulate all of my posts, you will see: 1. Graphical and scientific explanations for contrail phenomena, especially the graphical explanation of the "patterns" which directly relate to the High Altitude Enroute Traffic Patterns which exist all over the world, distrubuted throughout populated and unpopulated areas, which also directly relates to the location of radio navigation aids and enroute navigation routes. 2. Why a dashed line may form: and/or If TheStateInc was trying to "kill bugs," [us and them] they'd be spraying us from low altitude as they did over Dallas [with my own eyes..and the roar in my ears!] in the 1960's in order to kill mosquitos causing and outbreak of encephalitis. They flew long rows of C-130's from below 500 AGL back and forth in a criss-cross pattern over the entire city enough to dampen the foilage with what I presume at that time period [circa 1962/1963] was DDT. The morning was dead calm. I, as a little boy, was told I could go out and play about an hour after the planes passed. Yes, it left wet spots all over the place and on the grass, yes it got on me, and yes I was misinformed.
RE #40
a. path of aircraft perpendicular to currents aloft of different characteristics
b. The Pentagon experimenting with some military aircraft with substances which are being tested to hide contrail formation for the stealth program, and to aid in contrail prediction for military reasons.
#43. To: lodwick, ALL (#37)
Yellow arrow of doom.
Cool! I made some X's, H's and triangles!
Holy s**t!! There is a blue arrow pointing to a paperclip thing on the map with "tight circles" on each end!!! [A holding pattern which can be performed at any altitude from any radio navigation intersection, even ones you don't "see" on the map. The slower the speed, the tighter the pattern. Military fighter jocks can really make these things tight up high because there are no passengers to make sick!!]
The end of a holding pattern and/or a military jock having some fun. [Picture from WeatherWars.com. Comment mine.]
#44. To: IndieTX (#43)
Notice how the "chem" is slowly dripping down...just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you.
Great pic.
#45. To: lodwick, all (#44)
Did you know that air, water droplets and ice crystals can all "fall" vertically or horizontally? Did you read the article on how contrails are formed? Ever seen a cloud deck from the edge on...did you know it has a thickness and even parts that sag "fall" [drip (SIC)] downward to a certain extent, based on the winds aloft and condensation level??
Notice how the "chem" is slowly dripping down...just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you.
#46. To: All (#45)
LOFTY SUNBLOCK. An armada of long-lived aircraft contrails wafts above the
Great Lakes in this Oct. 9, 2000, satellite image.
-- Orbimage/NASA
#47. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, ALL (#0)
"Chemtrail" sites insinuate a contrail with a "dashed-line means they are spraying because contrails don't go on and off!!!" Oh yeah? For those who need pictures because they haven't been able to visualize the scientific data I have presented in their mind's eye. Please see this link: http://itg1.meteor.wisc.edu/wxwise/AckermanKnox/chap15/contrail_applet.html OK. Good. Now. Here are the simple steps to make your own "broken/dashed line contrail" in real time: Place the red dot on ICE at or below [less than] 40 degrees Centigrade. Click FLY. Immediately you'll see the contrail. It just doesn't get any clearer than this. A little research and even I debunked my own doubts about the "dashed line" contrail for me ..and you...to see. Conclusion: "Chemtrail" (SIC) pictures shown as being something other than contrails, and the reasons given [dashed lines, spreading, formation of a few contrails into a vast clou deck...yep it happens and now you know why], are only contrails, and can not be demonstrated to be anything else by virtue of the phenomenon presented. What we see here, is a tiny bit of truth [military testing substances to inhibit contrail formation for one real truth which is one reason why FOI requests are ignored by TheStateInc...and yes even some localized weather modification experiments] exaggerated beyond the realm of reality, by exploiters of human ignorance for fame and profit [buy my books and video] to include all contrails which form. BTW, yeah I think I just debunked the huckster's implication that "all contrails are chemtrails and thus intentional." Prove me wrong. Yeah, 9-11 was still an inside job, W is a lying chimp-demon and the NWO/Illuminati is real. I may be crazy but I ain't stupid, so don't draw any false conclusions. ;-))
Dashed lines mean "chemtrails" finally DEBUNKED.
Then. drag the dot "downward" on the ICE line [warmer temp] just a touch to 39 degrees C. Let go. Then back the other way....Did you make your own contrail turn off and back on? I did. Do you think the temperature can vary in small horizontal distances by more than one degree C? Ever been in a pool or lake and felt the different temperatures as you swim?
My people are destroyed by lack of knowledge. I, too, was fooled by some of these websites, especially on the dashed line thing. I'm a Commercial/Instrument rated pilot, took climatology in college, and know a helluva lot about weather and flying..and they almost had me fooled...
All it takes is a willingness to learn..and understand..as could be seen by the progression of my thoughts on this phenomenon and a few hours of investigation.
#48. To: IndieTX (#47)
Correct. Contrails are natural occurrences - chemtrails are man-made occurrences. Reminds me of the Jew vs. Zionist confusion. Cheers, TX.
I think I just debunked the huckster's implication that "all contrails are chemtrails and thus intentional."
#49. To: lodwick, IndieTX (#48)
Chemtrails- What's wrong with our skys video
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
#50. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#49)
Outstanding link - thank you very much.
#51. To: lodwick, all, SKYDRIFTER (#50)
The video fails to deliver credible proof of any point made by the presenter. Neither does it refute any point made in this thread.. "Any commercial pilot that flies like this will get his license revoked.."(laughter funny ha ha..) [Oh really? False. Sarcasm can not make points in debate when there is no point to be made.] The video is just the same "these pictures are not normal" when, in fact, they are. Yep, I've seen contrails by moonlight/starlight when light pollution is virtually nill.. And yes, he, too, has a book out to keep going about Gulf War Syndrome [Yes he "borrows" credibility from this condition and uses GWS to lend truth to chemtrails..] Points made in video have been addressed in this thread or here: The Chemtrails Conspiracy. He who willingly denies to read/see the truth, when it is available, is not blind...but in voluntary darkness.
Video link.
#52. To: IndieTX (#51)
Help me out here - you, and we all, know what contrails are. Do you believe that whomever is spraying us with chemtrails? Thanks.
He who willingly denies to read/see the truth, when it is available, is not blind...but in voluntary darkness.
#53. To: lodwick (#52)
Do you believe that whomever is spraying us with chemtrails? Thanks. Good questions Lod..
Help me out here - you, and we all, know what contrails are.
#54. To: lodwick, zipporah, all (#52)
Do you believe that whomever is spraying us with chemtrails? You've read my threads. I would be the last one to ever deny that TheStateInc has the ability or the willingness to spray us with anything. Look what was done with atmospheric nuclear tests. [I'm not trying to debunk you or anyone else personally, just the people trying to push regular contrails as chemtrails on the websites.] It's just that I deny that the aircraft contrails shown in the "chemtrail" site pictures are spraying whatever it might be on us, and therefore, are not "chemtrails." I'm trying to honestly and empirically explain why I believe it based on my flying experience and investigations. Yes I think, as I already acknowledged, that localized weather mod tests and localized testing of substances to hide contrails for stealth aircraft has and is taking place, but not via a commercial aircraft JP3 conspiriatorial additive. I can explain all of the patterns and phenomenon. I've even had them spray me with DDT from low altitude which is what they'd be doing now if they were testing a toxin on us. Could they be? Of course..and hell yeah! But the contrails aren't this type of thing. The day I see 5 C-130's or helicopters with nozzles at low altitude [500 AGL or below] flying in parallel again over my quarters...and if I were to feel ill the next day...there could sure be a correlation in that. Contrails ("CHEMTRAILS") are NORMAL. But they happen less often than they don't happen which makes it easy to make something "suspicious" out of them for someone trying to make money off us. The photos on the chemtrail sites are not faked, but their explanation is disingenuous if posted by scientifically knowledgeble people and/or pilots, and just incorrect if posted by those, like me earlier in this thread, who just haven't investigated the science yet. When I made my 1st post, I wasn't sure where I'd end up because I had never researched this. The one thing I knew immediately was the familiar "grid" patterns of the IFR radio navigation charts. The International Space Station crew sees them all the time, except when airplanes are not flying, as happened in the days after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. Here is the report from www.space.com from September 14th, 2001: "Three days after suicide airplane hijackers toppled the World Trade Center in New York and slammed into the Pentagon in Washington, D.C., [ED: I deny this assumption also as everyone already knows!] the station crew noted an obvious absence of airborne jetliners from their perch 240 miles (384 kilometers) above Earth. 'I’ll tell you one thing that’s really strange: Normally when we go over the U.S., the sky is like a spider web of contrails,' U.S. astronaut and outpost commander Frank Culbertson told flight controllers at NASA’s Mission Control Center in Houston. 'And now the sky is just about completely empty. There are no contrails in the sky,' he added. 'It’s very, very weird.' 'I hadn’t thought of that perspective,' fellow astronaut Cady Coleman replied." Source: http://www.space.com./missionlaunches/missions/airtraffic_absence_010914.html
Help me out here - you, and we all, know what contrails are.
#55. To: lodwick (#52)
Dig this Lodwick: This is what they did over Dallas in the 60's with DDT but there were several all lined up. Notice low altitude and spray being released. Now THIS is a chemtrail!! Cheers :-)))
NEW ORLEANS -- A U.S. Air Force Reserve C-130 Hercules from the 910th Airlift Wing at Youngstown Air Reserve Station, Ohio, sprays Dibrom, a pesticide approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, over the city Sept. 13, 2005. The C-130 crew plans to spray the New Orleans area first, then other affected Gulf Coast areas as required. Crews will target are primarily mosquitoes and filth flies, which are capable of transmitting diseases such as Malaria, West Nile virus, and various types of Encephalitis. The C-130 is capable of spraying about 60,000 acres per day. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Jacob N. Bailey)
#56. To: All (#55)
#57. To: IndieTX (#55)
Now THIS is a chemtrail!! Cheers :-))) Interesting.. BTW did you ever read this?? http://crimemagazine.com/olson2.htm The entire issue is interesting but one thing that connects here is in the documentary it was told that olson and his colleagues released chemicals/germs standing on the hills overlooking San Francisco I believe during the late 50s/60s?? Soooo..
This is what they did over Dallas in the 60's with DDT but there were several all lined up. Notice low altitude and spray being released.
#58. To: Zipporah, All (#57)
http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/06_Photo_of_Day/060623.photo.of.day. html
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
#59. To: All (#58)
It is going to rain tomorrow. How do I know? The sky is loaded with chemtrails.
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
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