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Title: Chemtrail Thread, - Post any any such activity in your area.
Source: Up in the Air
URL Source: http://Http;//www.upintheair.com
Published: Apr 14, 2006
Author: many
Post Date: 2006-04-14 17:42:57 by Itisa1mosttoolate
Keywords: None
Views: 8988
Comments: 78

WORLD DEPOPULATION IS TOP NSA AGENDA:

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#1. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, All (#0)

I can think of few things as ignorant as chemtrails. "Windmills in the Sky;" where's Don Quixote?

It makes for a great experiment in public gullibility, though.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-04-14   17:56:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Check out my post #3...I agree they are bunk but it was curious why they suddenly all "shut off" at approx the same distance west of the DFW VORTAC..localized upper air conditions changing perhaps?

IndieTX  posted on  2006-04-14   18:07:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Contrails are a function of the local atmosphere. The ending of contrails may denote a 'standard' altitude change, to a lower altitude. The 'ending' could denote local turbulence, which breaks up all the air in the region. I've flown in trail of a lot of jets & seen some wierd stuff, when it comes to contrail behavior.

SKYDRIFTER  posted on  2006-04-14   23:31:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Just re-educated myself. Here is the best site anyone will every find on contrails...and why chemical spraying [in this manner] just ain't so. If anyone is secretly spraying us, they are doing it in an ambiguous and invisible manner, not from airliners. Notice the pictures on the site. Some contrails at different altitudes, depending on moisture content, stay thinner and diminish more rapidly, while others spread and become clouds. This is all normal!

I am one of the biggest conspiracy believers out there, but this is one that just isn't happening....at least not in this highly visible manner

The Ozone Hole

IndieTX  posted on  2006-04-15   13:32:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Just re-educated myself. Here is the best site anyone will every find on contrails...and why chemical spraying [in this manner] just ain't so. If anyone is secretly spraying us, they are doing it in an ambiguous and invisible manner, not from airliners. Notice the pictures on the site. Some contrails at different altitudes, depending on moisture content, stay thinner and diminish more rapidly, while others spread and become clouds. This is all normal!

I am one of the biggest conspiracy believers out there, but this is one that just isn't happening....at least not in this highly visible manner

The Ozone Hole

Hey.. how's Texas today?? ;)

Thanks for the link.. there's another site.. I'll see if I can find it.. owned by a meterologist.. you may find it really interesting and would compliment..

Zipporah  posted on  2006-04-15   13:43:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Hey.. how's Texas today?? ;)

Thanks for the link.. there's another site.. I'll see if I can find it.. owned by a meterologist

Texas is 80's and windy. Lots of contrails over DFW VORTAC [as usual] all with different characteristics depending on the air's moisture content/altitude of airliners. Lots of crossing patterns, because the jets are all crossing the 8 VORTACs around the DFW area alone on different headings as they fly their IFR high-altitude jet routes, which make natural x and h patterns. These VORTACS are scattered all over the country relatively close together in both populated and remote areas. The number of contrail "patterns" possible is endless since aircraft may either be using the radio navigation aids, or cleared "direct" by passing the NAV stations and using GPS only.

IndieTX  posted on  2006-04-15   14:01:01 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The Chem-spray folks claim the first image is being done purposely and are, in fact, chemtrails. "My aren't we busy.....etc.."

Can anyone not notice the similarity between the two pictures?? Now draw more lines over different navigation aids [the rings] on my map from different angles and look at all the additional pretty H's and Xs you get, just like the looney's "chemtrail" pic.

By the way, the sky above DFW airport looks almost exactly like this today because of the moisture content of the air at high altutude this particular day, and the number of VORTACs here. But then, how many times must I repeat myself? ;-) I can't make this point any clearer than I have in my 3 posts.

IndieTX  posted on  2006-04-15   14:29:31 ET  (2 images) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You can count me as a looney

We're not getting any today. We have natural clouds. Funny how those things only appear when natural clouds don't, unless it's a day before a low-pressure system is coming through.

:-D

Grumble Jones  posted on  2006-04-15   14:35:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

This is what I saw the other day here over DFW that first made me think something was ...man-made:
I'm still researching. I may be a looney, too, if I can't find an explanation for that little piece of work..

IndieTX  posted on  2006-04-16   8:16:07 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I don't think it's for population control by spreading viruses, etc. However, samples have been taken by private investigators and they've found that they contain aluminum and barrium.

I'm in the mindset that the purpose is to reflect sunlight or some other type of weather modification. We usually get sprayed before a weather front moves through.

All I know it's not normal for them to spread out the way they do and then hang in the air for hours.

Grumble Jones  posted on  2006-04-16   11:41:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#42. To: Grumble Jones, ALL (#41)

RE #40

OK. Here is the the same phenomenon I saw over DFW the other night with the contrails "cutting off" abruptly. In fact, this morning I actually saw two "tight circle/paper clip" shape contrails at high altitude...an obvious military jet(s). There were two. One downstream, but tight to the first, and slightly more dissipated, caused by a twin-jet fighter or two single-jet fighters in formation, with the wind drfiting the twin contrails downstream perpendicular to the length of the "paperclip" shaped route they flew. Yes, military aircraft can legally fly through the same airspace we do, as I have been on the same frequency with them many times while on IFR. [Yeah they have MTR's and Restricted Areas also, but anyone who thinks a military aircraft can not perform a tight turn while under IFR and ARTCC contact in controlled airspace is very misinformed. Miliray areas restrict civilian operations, but civilian airspace does not restrict military traffic except as determined by FAR's and ATC clearance.]

After further investigation, I found an explanation. First, more on what contrails are:

A contrail is not smoke, as I fancied as a child. It's not even an emission, really, at least not in the true sense of the word. Much of what you see when you look at a contrail is water that was present in the atmosphere before the jet came along. A contrail is a cloud, as surely as a thunderhead boiling up over a prairie on a summer afternoon. A cloud of ice, birthed by the happenstance of a passing jet.

A few people spend a lot of time thinking about contrails. Generals, for instance. Contrails are a pain in the ass to the Pentagon. For sixty years wartime pilots have lamented that having a contrail form behind your plane is like being followed by a gigantic finger. Or by a neon sign: "Here I am. Shoot me." During World War II allied bombers flew in fear of leaving contrails. Likewise, during the Cold War, contrails were bane to pilots on super-secret reconnaissance missions over the Soviet Union. The Pentagon has committed untold hours trying to develop a reliable method to forecast when and where a plane flying at a certain altitude will produce a contrail. A fellow named Herbert Appleman developed a formula in 1953 designed to do just that. But it was complicated and fraught with uncertainties. You needed to know the temperature of the air through which a jet was going to fly, the relative humidity, the atmospheric pressure. And you needed to know the temperature and water content of the plane's exhaust plume. Appleman's algorithm, as it became known to the Air Force Weather Agency, successfully predicted contrail formation about a quarter of the time -- a rather dismal success rate, it would seem, if you're a pilot in hostile airspace. More important, though, the method was ninety-eight percent successful in predicting when a jet would not create a contrail. The contrail problem is rather self-evident when it comes to the air force's B-2 stealth bomber program. I should pause here to point out that the U.S. military establishment doesn't like to talk about the stealth program. So my information is a bit shaky. What's clear, though, is if a stealth bomber leaves a contrail, the air force's prized secret weapon becomes just another readily visible, albeit striking, high-altitude bomber.

When jet fuel combusts, it forms water as a byproduct. Tiny droplets shoot out in a blast of hot air as the plane soars along, thirty-five thousand feet above the Earth. So do minute particles of oxidized sulfur and nitrogen. What else? Impurities or additives, in minute quantities. Metal particles, soot, that sort of thing. These "minims" give the water vapor already in the air something to cling to. Just as important, though, is the condition of the air through which the jet flies -- namely, its temperature and humidity. Contrails don't always appear behind high-flying jets. In fact, they usually don't. They form about a third of the time, on average.

Humidity and temperature: The forces that create a contrail are quite similar to the forces that make your breath visible on a cold, damp day.

Shoot a plume of hot air laden with tiny particles into the upper atmosphere, where the temperature is, say, sixty below zero and the humidity is somewhat high. The air is suddenly unable to hold its water. Vapor condenses and clings to the matter in the jet's plume. The air soon mixes and cools and the particles of water freeze. A contrail is born.

What happens next also depends on atmospheric conditions. If the air is just barely humid enough and cold enough to allow water vapor to condense, a contrail appears but doesn't stick around. From the ground, you see the gleam of the jet and a short contrail that melts almost as quickly as it appears. The plane looks like a comet chased by a squattish tail.
If the air is sufficiently frigid and humid, a contrail forms easily, stretching out leisurely over the heavens, coaxing tiny ice crystals out of the atmosphere. Chances are on days like these (especially if you live under a busy flight path, as I do in Eugene, Oregon), the sky will be marred -- or graced, it all depends on how you look at it -- with the cicatrices of contrails, roughly parallel, varying in density and width. On days like these, a contrail can persist long after the jet has passed. The contrail splays out and takes the appearance of a flattened snakeskin.

A perfectly apt name for contrails is "faux cirrus." Cirrus, as you may know, are those high, feathery clouds that sailors believe augur foul weather. (There's a certain logic to that -- cirrus, and contrails, tend to form on the front edges of jet streams and cyclonic masses, which often usher in storm fronts.) There are differences in the composition of contrails and cirrus, but they are minute.

If the conditions are just right, a sort of critical mass is achieved. The contrail grows and grows, fattening out, sweeping upward and outward. Watch from the ground, patiently, and you'll see a contrail transmogrify into a cirrus cloud, indistinguishable from the real thing. A cloud where there was none before.

A few people spend a lot of time thinking about contrails. Generals, for instance. Contrails are a pain in the ass to the Pentagon. For sixty years wartime pilots have lamented that having a contrail form behind your plane is like being followed by a gigantic finger. Or by a neon sign: "Here I am. Shoot me." During World War II allied bombers flew in fear of leaving contrails. Likewise, during the Cold War, contrails were bane to pilots on super-secret reconnaissance missions over the Soviet Union.

The Pentagon has committed untold hours trying to develop a reliable method to forecast when and where a plane flying at a certain altitude will produce a contrail.

A fellow named Herbert Appleman developed a formula in 1953 designed to do just that. But it was complicated and fraught with uncertainties. You needed to know the temperature of the air through which a jet was going to fly, the relative humidity, the atmospheric pressure. And you needed to know the temperature and water content of the plane's exhaust plume. Appleman's algorithm, as it became known to the Air Force Weather Agency, successfully predicted contrail formation about a quarter of the time -- a rather dismal success rate, it would seem, if you're a pilot in hostile airspace. More important, though, the method was ninety-eight percent successful in predicting when a jet would not create a contrail.

The contrail problem is rather self-evident when it comes to the air force's B-2 stealth bomber program. I should pause here to point out that the U.S. military establishment doesn't like to talk about the stealth program. So my information is a bit shaky. What's clear, though, is if a stealth bomber leaves a contrail, the air force's prized secret weapon becomes just another readily visible, albeit striking, high-altitude bomber.

This much is known: the air force has grappled with the contrail problem from the outset of the B-2 program. Early on, technicians developed a chemical that could be added to a jet's exhaust and somehow managed to prevent contrails from forming. The stuff, alas, was too caustic -- apparently it ate through the metal of the containers that held it. More tests were conducted and someone came up with a winner. In 1994 the government awarded a $16 million contract to the Northrop Corporation to fine-tune stealth bombers in a number of ways. One retrofit involved the installation of five "contrail management systems." How do those work? Beats the hell out of me. Ask the air force and you'll get a terse "no comment" along with a citation of national security issues.

One meteorologist explains that the dashed line effect is caused by the jet flying perpendicular to several airstreams of different characteristics [already discussed the causes.]

In conclusion, if you cumulate all of my posts, you will see:

1. Graphical and scientific explanations for contrail phenomena, especially the graphical explanation of the "patterns" which directly relate to the High Altitude Enroute Traffic Patterns which exist all over the world, distrubuted throughout populated and unpopulated areas, which also directly relates to the location of radio navigation aids and enroute navigation routes.

2. Why a dashed line may form:
a. path of aircraft perpendicular to currents aloft of different characteristics

and/or
b. The Pentagon experimenting with some military aircraft with substances which are being tested to hide contrail formation for the stealth program, and to aid in contrail prediction for military reasons.

If TheStateInc was trying to "kill bugs," [us and them] they'd be spraying us from low altitude as they did over Dallas [with my own eyes..and the roar in my ears!] in the 1960's in order to kill mosquitos causing and outbreak of encephalitis. They flew long rows of C-130's from below 500 AGL back and forth in a criss-cross pattern over the entire city enough to dampen the foilage with what I presume at that time period [circa 1962/1963] was DDT. The morning was dead calm. I, as a little boy, was told I could go out and play about an hour after the planes passed. Yes, it left wet spots all over the place and on the grass, yes it got on me, and yes I was misinformed.

IndieTX  posted on  2006-04-16 14:06:04 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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