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Title: Chemtrail Thread, - Post any any such activity in your area.
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Published: Apr 14, 2006
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Post Date: 2006-04-14 17:42:57 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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#1. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, All (#0)
I can think of few things as ignorant as chemtrails. "Windmills in the Sky;" where's Don Quixote? It makes for a great experiment in public gullibility, though.
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I've always thought chemtrails were bunk. Most of the multiple contrails are, of course, around VORTAC stations [radio navigation aids for IFR flight] which is why there are so many criss cross patterns in the sky at certain locations, even remote ones. However, last night, I watched 4 high altitude passenger jets at approx 35,000 feet crossing over the DFW VORTAC. The were showing contrails which are ice crystals due to a particular set of atmospheric permaters which must exist. As usual, and is NORMAL (!!!) they spread out over time and widened to give the appearance of a wider cirrus blanket which gradually spread out and disspated. The ONE anamoly I did notice, for which I have no explanation is this: The jets were all flying level and generally westbound, but were on different headings. All four contrails immediately stopped when the aircraft got past what I would estimate would be the western portion of the DFW area. I mean stopped...abruptly, as if someone "turned them off." This could have been caused by different atmospheric conditions further west which stopped the condensation?? OR something else. This is the only thing I've seen with contrails that is in the least bit intriguing. All other effects noted, the spreading, the crisscross patterns are due to the reasons I stated above. A meterologist may be able to explain the abrupt halt of all of these contrails in the same place and could adress the issue of localized atmospheric conditions causing this. Everything else, however, is quite normal.
#2. To: SKYDRIFTER (#1)
You wake up dead tired. You feel like you've been hit by a truck. Sleep becomes sporadic, if at all. When sound sleep occurs, the restoration of energy is minimal causing you to meticulously save your energy like a miser hoards gold. If you force yourself into activities beyond the scope of your normal daily chores, you pay a heavy price. A possible consequence is being bedridden for days. You have trouble concentrating. Short-term memory losses make you feel like you're trapped in a brain fog. You have unexplained muscle aches and joint pains like a never-ending flu. Your spouse and family don't understand this new metamorphic change in you, going from active and bubbly to sick and decrepit in the prime of your life almost overnight. Your social life has disintegrated and once close friends are slowly drifting away because the monotonous explanation that you're too tired to see a movie or go out to dinner has waned thin. Your taking an abundance of sick time and your boss is starting to question your sanity. Nobody understands. Nobody believes. Nobody offers help. Well, almost nobody...
#3. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
#4. To: SKYDRIFTER (#1)
Check out my post #3...I agree they are bunk but it was curious why they suddenly all "shut off" at approx the same distance west of the DFW VORTAC..localized upper air conditions changing perhaps?
#5. To: IndieTX (#4)
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#6. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#5)
Are you suggesting there may be something to chemtrails?
Adolf Hitler... "What luck for rulers that men do not think." John F. Kennedy... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
#7. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
5 days ago, I started to not feel so well. I had a big bout with anxiety. This lasted 2 days. Then, my skin started to burn, and itch for no reason. My eyes are bruised and swollen. My glands in my neck are puffed up. My face is also swollen to the point of my being un-recognizable. The rest of me is fine. I haven't been hungry much, nor have I been nauseous or anything like that. Someone made mention of a Mumps outbreak here in Minnesota. I'm not out in public enough to have contracted it from anyone. The only thing I can think of is that it's some allergy issue. I can tell you this much, I didn't have these problems last year. I took some benadryl allergy sinus. Hopefully it will knock the crap out of whatever this is. If not, I'll have to break down and go see a doctor.
 | What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#8. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
We have strange activity over my area constantly. We go through days with completely blue skies - all day - you can spot the planes leaving small evaporating contrails as they pass over @ 35,000ft. Then for days in a row we will see heavy trails that spread out and produce cirrus formations on an otherwise clear day. This continues during all year. The flight patterns are rather strange as well. We have seen do turns in the sky and we have also seen the cutoff abruptly. The wife and I have read alot of carp on the net about chemtrails. There is the so called Operation Cloverleaf to look into. I saw an early draft of a bill that mentioned "chemtrail" by name but was later changed to "exotic weapons". I will see if I can find that. Also, both my mom and my brother (seperately) told me that they heard a bit on NPR about global warming that mentioned the trails reflecting and altering the earth's temperature. They also brought up the study after 9-11 when all the planes were grounded.
"We shall have world government whether or not you like it - by conquest or consent." - International financier and CFR member James Warburg Feb. 7, 1950
#9. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik i/Chemtrail_theory Chemtrails" are mentioned in House Bill HR 2977, the Space Preservation Act of 2001, introduced by Congressman Dennis Kucinich, where it appears as one of a list of "exotic weapons system[s]" to be banned under the bill. Proponents of the reality of chemtrails point to this as official acknowledgment of the possibility, at least, of such weapons systems. The reference to Chemtrails was omitted from the version of the bill re-introduced by Kucinich in 2002 as HR 3616 or in 2003 as HR 3657 ==================== Also search http://thomas.loc.gov for bill S.517 for the 109th Congress A bill to establish a Weather Modification Operations and Research Board, and for other purposes. Sponsor: Sen Hutchison, Kay Bailey [TX] (introduced 3/3/2005)
"We shall have world government whether or not you like it - by conquest or consent." - International financier and CFR member James Warburg Feb. 7, 1950
#10. To: SKYDRIFTER (#1)
It makes for a great experiment in public gullibility, though. We have real, serious problems in this country...and some people are hallucinating chemtrails four and five miles up, somehow drifting back to earth in such quantities they could affect people, instead of being scattered over hundreds of thousands of square miles.
I can think of few things as ignorant as chemtrails. "Windmills in the Sky;" where's Don Quixote?
"I aim to misbehave" -- Mal Reynolds, Firefly
#11. To: IndieTX (#3)
I get it really heavy here and I've seen that happen many times. Wait until you see a dark beam shoot out and it's no damn shadow either. On a heavy spraying day look for dark streaks in the clouds too. Keep watching them and you'll eventually see what I've described.
abruptly, as if someone "turned them off."
#12. To: Grumble Jones (#11)
seen it. also noticed the high flyers move very fucking fast, from horizon to horizon in a fraction of the time it takes regular contrail jets. also seen regular contrails and chemtrails from 2 different jets in the same patch of sky. the crap they lay down is not ice crystals. it has a dingy gray appearance and 'smears' when their there for a while, you can even notice some sort of particle drift downward. fuck, i know what a contrail is...this is nothing like that.
'We shall no longer hang on to the tails of public opinion, or to a non-existent authority, on matters utterly unknown and strange. We shall gradually become experts ourselves in the mastery of the knowledge of the future.' ~ Wilhelm Reich
#13. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#2)
I didn't use to believe in chemtrails until I visited Las Vegas. They are real all right, made me sick for over two weeks.
God is always good!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02] More and more of our imports come from overseas. - George W. Bush
#14. To: RickyJ (#13)
welcome aboard the woo woo express.
'We shall no longer hang on to the tails of public opinion, or to a non-existent authority, on matters utterly unknown and strange. We shall gradually become experts ourselves in the mastery of the knowledge of the future.' ~ Wilhelm Reich
#15. To: gengis gandhi, RickyJ, Grumble Jones (#12)
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#16. To: gengis gandhi (#12)
Bingo! I live south of Chicago, after most hard weather fronts that move through, the spraying starts. It will turn the sky a milky white.
....also noticed the high flyers move very fucking fast, from horizon to horizon in a fraction of the time it takes regular contrail jets. also seen regular contrails and chemtrails from 2 different jets in the same patch of sky. the crap they lay down is not ice crystals.....
#17. To: IndieTX (#4)
Contrails are a function of the local atmosphere. The ending of contrails may denote a 'standard' altitude change, to a lower altitude. The 'ending' could denote local turbulence, which breaks up all the air in the region. I've flown in trail of a lot of jets & seen some wierd stuff, when it comes to contrail behavior.
#18. To: SKYDRIFTER (#17)
Something quite common when passing over a major VORTAC like DFW [intersection of several high alt jetways] when in contact with ARTCC at flight level cruise...even for smaller aircraft at lower alt on IFR fight plans.
The ending of contrails may denote a 'standard' altitude change
#19. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#7)
I'm sorry to inform you that you have a case of terminal small cox.
My glands in my neck are puffed up. My face is also swollen to the point of my being un-recognizable.
#20. To: Fred Mertz (#19)
Hey Fred. I'd like to know what your problem is with me. What did I do to you? Hmmmmm???
| What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#21. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#20)
You never responded to me about your piece of art offer for $500 to be donated to elPee. I have a new email addy since then. Don't you have a sense of humor?
#22. To: Fred Mertz (#21)
No actually I don't have a sense of humor. Second, regarding the donation to LP, when they pulled their bullshit with me, and I walked, all the support I offered went with it.
| What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#23. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#22)
I'll try to remember that in the future. Laughter is a healthy thing.
No actually I don't have a sense of humor.
#24. To: Fred Mertz (#23)
I just pm'ed you with some info in regards to the statue that isn't finished yet.
| What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#25. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#24)
I got it. Thanks.
#26. To: SKYDRIFTER, ALL, zipporah, christine (#17)
Just re-educated myself. Here is the best site anyone will every find on contrails...and why chemical spraying [in this manner] just ain't so. If anyone is secretly spraying us, they are doing it in an ambiguous and invisible manner, not from airliners. Notice the pictures on the site. Some contrails at different altitudes, depending on moisture content, stay thinner and diminish more rapidly, while others spread and become clouds. This is all normal! I am one of the biggest conspiracy believers out there, but this is one that just isn't happening....at least not in this highly visible manner
#27. To: IndieTX (#26)
I tend to agree with you. While I believe our government is literally capable of just about anything they can technologically do, I don't generally believe that they are poisoning us on a mass scale as I don't see how THEY could avoid the effects of such poisoning. Everyone has to breathe. That's why I don't generally believe the plague scenarios (unless the govt has a working vaccine, which I don't really believe considering the history of vaccines). The problem is that govt officials and/or the families/friends would also be subject to these contagions as well as the general populace.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
#28. To: mehitable (#27)
Lucky for us.. ;-)
The problem is that govt officials and/or the families/friends would also be subject to these contagions as well as the general populace.
#29. To: IndieTX (#26)
I am one of the biggest conspiracy believers out there, but this is one that just isn't happening....at least not in this highly visible manner The Ozone Hole Hey.. how's Texas today?? ;) Thanks for the link.. there's another site.. I'll see if I can find it.. owned by a meterologist.. you may find it really interesting and would compliment..
Just re-educated myself. Here is the best site anyone will every find on contrails...and why chemical spraying [in this manner] just ain't so. If anyone is secretly spraying us, they are doing it in an ambiguous and invisible manner, not from airliners. Notice the pictures on the site. Some contrails at different altitudes, depending on moisture content, stay thinner and diminish more rapidly, while others spread and become clouds. This is all normal!
#30. To: mehitable (#27)
They worship death - just like the professor here at UT who is calling for the elimination of 90% of the earth's population. In the SW skies today are all kinds of X's and crosses of chemtrails.
The problem is that govt officials and/or the families/friends would also be subject to these contagions as well as the general populace.
#31. To: Zipporah, ALL, SKYDRIFTER (#29)
Thanks for the link.. there's another site.. I'll see if I can find it.. owned by a meterologist Texas is 80's and windy. Lots of contrails over DFW VORTAC [as usual] all with different characteristics depending on the air's moisture content/altitude of airliners. Lots of crossing patterns, because the jets are all crossing the 8 VORTACs around the DFW area alone on different headings as they fly their IFR high-altitude jet routes, which make natural x and h patterns. These VORTACS are scattered all over the country relatively close together in both populated and remote areas. The number of contrail "patterns" possible is endless since aircraft may either be using the radio navigation aids, or cleared "direct" by passing the NAV stations and using GPS only. Hey.. how's Texas today?? ;)
#32. To: IndieTX (#31)
OH wow!! I was talking to Chris a bit earlier today and she said the same thing!! Freaky stuff! .. here we had a tornado warning late last night high winds etc..today just a gorgeous Kentucky day ;) here ya go btw .. Texas is 80's and windy. Lots of contrails over DFW VORTAC [as usual] all with different characteristics depending on the air's moisture content/altitude of airliners. Lots of crossing patterns, because the jets are all crossing the 8 VORTACs around the DFW area alone on different headings as they fly their IFR high-altitude jet routes, which make natural x and h patterns. These VORTACS are scattered all over the country relatively close together in both populated and remote areas. The number of contrail "patterns" possible is endless since aircraft may either be using the radio navigation aids, or cleared "direct" by passing the NAV stations and using GPS only
#33. To: Zipporah (#29)
true color image over the Midwest also showing aging contrails, Palikonda et al, (2005). 
http://www-pm.larc.nasa.gov/newcontrail/Nov.13.MODIS.01.jpg
#34. To: IndieTX (#33)
Oh wow.. check that out.. the 'cross hatching' certainly not a natural cloud pattern.. is it??
#35. To: All, SKYDRIFTER, zipporah (#31)
The Chem-spray folks claim the first image is being done purposely and are, in fact, chemtrails. "My aren't we busy.....etc.." Can anyone not notice the similarity between the two pictures?? Now draw more lines over different navigation aids [the rings] on my map from different angles and look at all the additional pretty H's and Xs you get, just like the looney's "chemtrail" pic. By the way, the sky above DFW airport looks almost exactly like this today because of the moisture content of the air at high altutude this particular day, and the number of VORTACs here. But then, how many times must I repeat myself? ;-) I can't make this point any clearer than I have in my 3 posts.
#36. To: Zipporah (#34)
no they're contrails...just like the lines on my map.
Oh wow.. check that out.. the 'cross hatching' certainly not a natural cloud pattern.. is it??
#37. To: IndieTX (#35)
Now you've introduced the dreaded YellowArrow of Doom.
Oh dear.
#38. To: IndieTX (#35)
We're not getting any today. We have natural clouds. Funny how those things only appear when natural clouds don't, unless it's a day before a low-pressure system is coming through. :-D
#39. To: IndieTX (#36)
here's something you'll find interesting time lapse of contrails On this page..there are several: http://www.weatherwars.info/index.php?news_id=41&start=0&category_id=&parent_id=0&arcyear=&arcmonth= Watch an active morning of chemtrailing which this day was used to determine the extent of and measure the actions of the EM-energies over the Mountain West as a cut-off low off of the California coast was just beginning to advance inland which would eventually assist in the determination of the path of hurricane Wilma toward the Mexican Yucatan coastal communities. These communities took a thrashing because this low far into the American west did not advance eastward as quickly as forecast resulting in Wilma lingering over Cancun and Cozumel far far longer than ever expected. This is why it is so important to understand what is going up upstream weather wise because in three, four even ten days time it will effect conditions downstream. This is why the chemtrails are flown great distances out over the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans... and why southern Alaska is often gridded up with these trails from non-commercial aircraft as manipulating its weather greatly impacts the West Coast of the continent in short order. Note the exact locations, and behaviors, where one chemtrail crosses another. Each crossing, each marking has its significance.
no they're contrails...just like the lines on my map.
#40. To: Grumble Jones (#38)
This is what I saw the other day here over DFW that first made me think something was ...man-made: 
I'm still researching. I may be a looney, too, if I can't find an explanation for that little piece of work..
#41. To: IndieTX (#40)
I don't think it's for population control by spreading viruses, etc. However, samples have been taken by private investigators and they've found that they contain aluminum and barrium. I'm in the mindset that the purpose is to reflect sunlight or some other type of weather modification. We usually get sprayed before a weather front moves through. All I know it's not normal for them to spread out the way they do and then hang in the air for hours.
#42. To: Grumble Jones, ALL (#41)
OK. Here is the the same phenomenon I saw over DFW the other night with the contrails "cutting off" abruptly. In fact, this morning I actually saw two "tight circle/paper clip" shape contrails at high altitude...an obvious military jet(s). There were two. One downstream, but tight to the first, and slightly more dissipated, caused by a twin-jet fighter or two single-jet fighters in formation, with the wind drfiting the twin contrails downstream perpendicular to the length of the "paperclip" shaped route they flew. Yes, military aircraft can legally fly through the same airspace we do, as I have been on the same frequency with them many times while on IFR. [Yeah they have MTR's and Restricted Areas also, but anyone who thinks a military aircraft can not perform a tight turn while under IFR and ARTCC contact in controlled airspace is very misinformed. Miliray areas restrict civilian operations, but civilian airspace does not restrict military traffic except as determined by FAR's and ATC clearance.] After further investigation, I found an explanation. First, more on what contrails are: One meteorologist explains that the dashed line effect is caused by the jet flying perpendicular to several airstreams of different characteristics [already discussed the causes.] In conclusion, if you cumulate all of my posts, you will see: 1. Graphical and scientific explanations for contrail phenomena, especially the graphical explanation of the "patterns" which directly relate to the High Altitude Enroute Traffic Patterns which exist all over the world, distrubuted throughout populated and unpopulated areas, which also directly relates to the location of radio navigation aids and enroute navigation routes. 2. Why a dashed line may form: and/or If TheStateInc was trying to "kill bugs," [us and them] they'd be spraying us from low altitude as they did over Dallas [with my own eyes..and the roar in my ears!] in the 1960's in order to kill mosquitos causing and outbreak of encephalitis. They flew long rows of C-130's from below 500 AGL back and forth in a criss-cross pattern over the entire city enough to dampen the foilage with what I presume at that time period [circa 1962/1963] was DDT. The morning was dead calm. I, as a little boy, was told I could go out and play about an hour after the planes passed. Yes, it left wet spots all over the place and on the grass, yes it got on me, and yes I was misinformed.
RE #40
a. path of aircraft perpendicular to currents aloft of different characteristics
b. The Pentagon experimenting with some military aircraft with substances which are being tested to hide contrail formation for the stealth program, and to aid in contrail prediction for military reasons.
#43. To: lodwick, ALL (#37)
Yellow arrow of doom.
Cool! I made some X's, H's and triangles!
Holy s**t!! There is a blue arrow pointing to a paperclip thing on the map with "tight circles" on each end!!! [A holding pattern which can be performed at any altitude from any radio navigation intersection, even ones you don't "see" on the map. The slower the speed, the tighter the pattern. Military fighter jocks can really make these things tight up high because there are no passengers to make sick!!]
The end of a holding pattern and/or a military jock having some fun. [Picture from WeatherWars.com. Comment mine.]
#44. To: IndieTX (#43)
Notice how the "chem" is slowly dripping down...just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you.
Great pic.
#45. To: lodwick, all (#44)
Did you know that air, water droplets and ice crystals can all "fall" vertically or horizontally? Did you read the article on how contrails are formed? Ever seen a cloud deck from the edge on...did you know it has a thickness and even parts that sag "fall" [drip (SIC)] downward to a certain extent, based on the winds aloft and condensation level??
Notice how the "chem" is slowly dripping down...just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they're not out to get you.
#46. To: All (#45)
LOFTY SUNBLOCK. An armada of long-lived aircraft contrails wafts above the
Great Lakes in this Oct. 9, 2000, satellite image.
-- Orbimage/NASA
#47. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, ALL (#0)
"Chemtrail" sites insinuate a contrail with a "dashed-line means they are spraying because contrails don't go on and off!!!" Oh yeah? For those who need pictures because they haven't been able to visualize the scientific data I have presented in their mind's eye. Please see this link: http://itg1.meteor.wisc.edu/wxwise/AckermanKnox/chap15/contrail_applet.html OK. Good. Now. Here are the simple steps to make your own "broken/dashed line contrail" in real time: Place the red dot on ICE at or below [less than] 40 degrees Centigrade. Click FLY. Immediately you'll see the contrail. It just doesn't get any clearer than this. A little research and even I debunked my own doubts about the "dashed line" contrail for me ..and you...to see. Conclusion: "Chemtrail" (SIC) pictures shown as being something other than contrails, and the reasons given [dashed lines, spreading, formation of a few contrails into a vast clou deck...yep it happens and now you know why], are only contrails, and can not be demonstrated to be anything else by virtue of the phenomenon presented. What we see here, is a tiny bit of truth [military testing substances to inhibit contrail formation for one real truth which is one reason why FOI requests are ignored by TheStateInc...and yes even some localized weather modification experiments] exaggerated beyond the realm of reality, by exploiters of human ignorance for fame and profit [buy my books and video] to include all contrails which form. BTW, yeah I think I just debunked the huckster's implication that "all contrails are chemtrails and thus intentional." Prove me wrong. Yeah, 9-11 was still an inside job, W is a lying chimp-demon and the NWO/Illuminati is real. I may be crazy but I ain't stupid, so don't draw any false conclusions. ;-))
Dashed lines mean "chemtrails" finally DEBUNKED.
Then. drag the dot "downward" on the ICE line [warmer temp] just a touch to 39 degrees C. Let go. Then back the other way....Did you make your own contrail turn off and back on? I did. Do you think the temperature can vary in small horizontal distances by more than one degree C? Ever been in a pool or lake and felt the different temperatures as you swim?
My people are destroyed by lack of knowledge. I, too, was fooled by some of these websites, especially on the dashed line thing. I'm a Commercial/Instrument rated pilot, took climatology in college, and know a helluva lot about weather and flying..and they almost had me fooled...
All it takes is a willingness to learn..and understand..as could be seen by the progression of my thoughts on this phenomenon and a few hours of investigation.
#48. To: IndieTX (#47)
Correct. Contrails are natural occurrences - chemtrails are man-made occurrences. Reminds me of the Jew vs. Zionist confusion. Cheers, TX.
I think I just debunked the huckster's implication that "all contrails are chemtrails and thus intentional."
#49. To: lodwick, IndieTX (#48)
Chemtrails- What's wrong with our skys video
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#50. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#49)
Outstanding link - thank you very much.
#51. To: lodwick, all, SKYDRIFTER (#50)
The video fails to deliver credible proof of any point made by the presenter. Neither does it refute any point made in this thread.. "Any commercial pilot that flies like this will get his license revoked.."(laughter funny ha ha..) [Oh really? False. Sarcasm can not make points in debate when there is no point to be made.] The video is just the same "these pictures are not normal" when, in fact, they are. Yep, I've seen contrails by moonlight/starlight when light pollution is virtually nill.. And yes, he, too, has a book out to keep going about Gulf War Syndrome [Yes he "borrows" credibility from this condition and uses GWS to lend truth to chemtrails..] Points made in video have been addressed in this thread or here: The Chemtrails Conspiracy. He who willingly denies to read/see the truth, when it is available, is not blind...but in voluntary darkness.
Video link.
#52. To: IndieTX (#51)
Help me out here - you, and we all, know what contrails are. Do you believe that whomever is spraying us with chemtrails? Thanks.
He who willingly denies to read/see the truth, when it is available, is not blind...but in voluntary darkness.
#53. To: lodwick (#52)
Do you believe that whomever is spraying us with chemtrails? Thanks. Good questions Lod..
Help me out here - you, and we all, know what contrails are.
#54. To: lodwick, zipporah, all (#52)
Do you believe that whomever is spraying us with chemtrails? You've read my threads. I would be the last one to ever deny that TheStateInc has the ability or the willingness to spray us with anything. Look what was done with atmospheric nuclear tests. [I'm not trying to debunk you or anyone else personally, just the people trying to push regular contrails as chemtrails on the websites.] It's just that I deny that the aircraft contrails shown in the "chemtrail" site pictures are spraying whatever it might be on us, and therefore, are not "chemtrails." I'm trying to honestly and empirically explain why I believe it based on my flying experience and investigations. Yes I think, as I already acknowledged, that localized weather mod tests and localized testing of substances to hide contrails for stealth aircraft has and is taking place, but not via a commercial aircraft JP3 conspiriatorial additive. I can explain all of the patterns and phenomenon. I've even had them spray me with DDT from low altitude which is what they'd be doing now if they were testing a toxin on us. Could they be? Of course..and hell yeah! But the contrails aren't this type of thing. The day I see 5 C-130's or helicopters with nozzles at low altitude [500 AGL or below] flying in parallel again over my quarters...and if I were to feel ill the next day...there could sure be a correlation in that. Contrails ("CHEMTRAILS") are NORMAL. But they happen less often than they don't happen which makes it easy to make something "suspicious" out of them for someone trying to make money off us. The photos on the chemtrail sites are not faked, but their explanation is disingenuous if posted by scientifically knowledgeble people and/or pilots, and just incorrect if posted by those, like me earlier in this thread, who just haven't investigated the science yet. When I made my 1st post, I wasn't sure where I'd end up because I had never researched this. The one thing I knew immediately was the familiar "grid" patterns of the IFR radio navigation charts. The International Space Station crew sees them all the time, except when airplanes are not flying, as happened in the days after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. Here is the report from www.space.com from September 14th, 2001: "Three days after suicide airplane hijackers toppled the World Trade Center in New York and slammed into the Pentagon in Washington, D.C., [ED: I deny this assumption also as everyone already knows!] the station crew noted an obvious absence of airborne jetliners from their perch 240 miles (384 kilometers) above Earth. 'I’ll tell you one thing that’s really strange: Normally when we go over the U.S., the sky is like a spider web of contrails,' U.S. astronaut and outpost commander Frank Culbertson told flight controllers at NASA’s Mission Control Center in Houston. 'And now the sky is just about completely empty. There are no contrails in the sky,' he added. 'It’s very, very weird.' 'I hadn’t thought of that perspective,' fellow astronaut Cady Coleman replied." Source: http://www.space.com./missionlaunches/missions/airtraffic_absence_010914.html
Help me out here - you, and we all, know what contrails are.
#55. To: lodwick (#52)
Dig this Lodwick: This is what they did over Dallas in the 60's with DDT but there were several all lined up. Notice low altitude and spray being released. Now THIS is a chemtrail!! Cheers :-)))
NEW ORLEANS -- A U.S. Air Force Reserve C-130 Hercules from the 910th Airlift Wing at Youngstown Air Reserve Station, Ohio, sprays Dibrom, a pesticide approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, over the city Sept. 13, 2005. The C-130 crew plans to spray the New Orleans area first, then other affected Gulf Coast areas as required. Crews will target are primarily mosquitoes and filth flies, which are capable of transmitting diseases such as Malaria, West Nile virus, and various types of Encephalitis. The C-130 is capable of spraying about 60,000 acres per day. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Jacob N. Bailey)
#56. To: All (#55)
#57. To: IndieTX (#55)
Now THIS is a chemtrail!! Cheers :-))) Interesting.. BTW did you ever read this?? http://crimemagazine.com/olson2.htm The entire issue is interesting but one thing that connects here is in the documentary it was told that olson and his colleagues released chemicals/germs standing on the hills overlooking San Francisco I believe during the late 50s/60s?? Soooo..
This is what they did over Dallas in the 60's with DDT but there were several all lined up. Notice low altitude and spray being released.
#58. To: Zipporah, All (#57)
http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/06_Photo_of_Day/060623.photo.of.day. html
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
#59. To: All (#58)
It is going to rain tomorrow. How do I know? The sky is loaded with chemtrails.
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
#60. To: FormerLurker (#5)
A few more links on CTs
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
#61. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#60)
Thanks for the links IATL, but the naysayers will just dismiss anything posted as "kookery". I'll rip into BAC and such, but against those I considered allies, I just have a sour taste in my mouth over the entire thing. They aren't the people I thought they were, and they've lost any credibility to me.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#62. To: All (#0)
Mysterious outbreak killing millions of bees THIS MAYBE THE CANARY IN THE COAL MINE!!!! http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&q=THE+CANARY+IN+THE+COLD+MINE&sa=N&tab=nw Mysterious outbreak killing millions of bees http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=Dead+Bees&ie=UTF-8 GOOGLE NEWS UPDATES: An mysterious outbreak is causing the deaths of millions of honeybees in 22 states according to an entomologist from the University of Montana. Jerry Bromenshenk says that Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) is "causing agricultural honeybees nationwide to abandon their hives and disappear." “Individual beekeepers are really taking a beating,” Bromenshenk said. “A guy down in Oklahoma lost 80 percent of his 13,000 colonies in the last month. In Florida, there are a whole lot of people facing 40, 60 and 80 percent losses. That’s huge.” A honeybee settles onto a wildflower at Fermilab. Image courtesy of the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory "With CCD, most adult honeybees abandon a hive and disappear, leaving the queen and a remnant of younger bees. The malady also is characterized by uncapped brood -- when the cells of young bees in the pupa stage are not covered and protected by their older sisters -- probably because most of the adult bees have left. Dead adult bees aren't found near the hive; they are just gone," explains a news release from the University of Montana. Bromenshenk says that similar outbreaks date back as far as 1896, though the last major outbreak probably occurred in the 1960s. “My belief is that what’s going on right now has been seen before, but we've never really gotten a handle on it,” he said. Bromenshenk has formed a team from the University of Montana that will work with a group of Penn State scientists to better understand the outbreak, which could have a major impact on agricultural production in some areas. Related news Bees and flowers disappearing together. The diversity of bees and of the flowers they pollinate, has declined significantly in Britain and the Netherlands over the last 25 years according to research led by the University of Leeds and published in Science this Friday (21 July 2006). The paper is the first evidence of a widespread decline in bee diversity. Animal pollinators responsible for 35 percent of world food crop. A new study calculates that 35 percent of the world's crop production is dependent on pollinators, like bats, bees, and birds. The research suggests that biodiversity loss could directly impact global food crops. The study comes a week after another report found declines in populations of key North American pollinators http://news.mongabay.com/2007/0214-bees.html
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
#63. To: IndieTX, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#51)
The sheer volume of the supposed "chemtrails" would require massive liquid holding tanks. That means no passengers and no cargo. That in turn requires an incredible fleet of aircraft - impossible to hide. It's too easy and cheap to contaminate a population from the ground - this issue is pure bullshit, for the very terribly bored.
#64. To: SKYDRIFTER, IndieTX, Christine, Brian S, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#63)
The Mind Altering Abilities of Chemtrails by ANONYMOUS http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=42&contentid=653 Chemtrails: The Problem and the Solution by RICH WORK Patent for Contrail Generation Method by DONALD WERLE ET AL Chemtrails: Culling the Useless Eater Population by ANONYMOUS Chemtrails Over America by VARIOUS The Keys to the Chemtrails by ANONYMOUS
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=42&contentid=214
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=42&contentid=207
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=42&contentid=206
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=42&contentid=167
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=42&contentid=29
"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."
#65. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#64)
Its pretty hilarious. You have folks who can identify the govt as corrupt, etc, but cant fit the pieces together. So, how many billions are unaccounted for in JUST this iraq conflict? How many trillions are already bought and paid for by CAFR standards, that is, each budget based on last years budget, and then increased. But you only purchase hard assets like ships, buildings, etc a single time. Yet this is included. Then you have all the stories of seven hundred dollar toilet seats by the navy, etc. All the pollyannas and disinfo gymnasts want to blame it all on graft, corruption, etc. But that is in fact enough extra money to outfit several armies and have money left over. How many areas in the US are restricted acccess, huge parcels of land, yet there is no way they could hide aircraft there? The areas are chosen precisely because one cannot determine what is there, as much of it is underground. But there are a lot of other pieces than this, but most people aren't ready to toss out the old beliefs, even when they know they're being fleeced.
“All of us should treasure his (John Dillinger) Oriental wisdom and his preaching of a Zen-like detachment, as exemplified by his constant reminder to clerks, tellers, or others who grew excited by his presence in their banks: "Just lie down on the floor and keep calm."” --- Robert Anton Wilson
“Intelligence is the capacity to receive, decode and transmit information efficiently. Stupidity is blockage of this process at any point. Bigotry, ideologies etc. block the ability to receive; robotic reality-tunnels block the ability to decode or integrate new signals; censorship blocks transmission.” --- Robert Anton Wilson
#66. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#64)
Chemtrails over Tennessee morning bump. Beautiful blue sky now hazy and murky...
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#67. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#5)
Do you have any links to chemtrails? Just kidding.
"They must find it difficult... Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." ~ Gerald Massey
#68. To: SKYDRIFTER, IndieTX (#17)
You guys are kidding, right? Chemtrails are aerosol spraying. Contrails are condensation from engine exhaust. Chemtrails have barium salts in them, along with aluminum oxide, titanium, magnesium, fungus. Read up on them. Something you should know about.
"They must find it difficult... Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." ~ Gerald Massey
#69. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
Lots of chemtrails over here. The sky's not as blue as it used to be, either. Kinda hazy blue.
"They must find it difficult... Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." ~ Gerald Massey
#70. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, Christine, Jethro Tull, Honway, Robin, Aristeides, Red Jones, Diana, Kamala, All (#0)
When a water or food supply can be easily poisoned, why would any fool invest in the purported years of this supposed aircraft operation??? Jesus Jumpin' Up Christ! Is anyone thinking with a clear mind??? If anyone is desperate for a conspiracy project, look to the HAARP project; there's a real one for you - but who cares?
#71. To: SKYDRIFTER (#70)
There was a piece on 'chemtrails' on an NBC station in California last week. Why do you care whether people believe in chemtrails, or not? I am not a pilot, but I do have a background in meteorology, and what I have seen on TWO occasions here in Tennessee were NOT contrails. I hope the fact that people think there is something unusual going on doesn't keep you awake at night...after all; there really isn't anything we can do about it. Relax.
Is anyone thinking with a clear mind???
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#72. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0)
#73. To: Jethro Tull (#72)
Oh. Okay.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#74. To: who knows what evil, Jethro Tull (#73)
LOL, It's a good thing we attacked Iraq before Saddam sent Mary Poppins after us.
"A functioning police state needs no police." - William S Burroughs
#75. To: Jethro Tull (#72)
When I look up and see them spraying I hear this song in my head:
The secret of contentment is knowing how to enjoy what you have, and to be able to lose all desire for things beyond your reach. Lin Yutang
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --- William Casey, Director CIA (Quote from internal staff meeting notes 1981)
#76. To: intotheabyss, Dakmar (#75)
Gack. Thank god I'm beginning to forget better everyday....
#77. To: Jethro Tull (#76)
I with ya buddy, getting older aint that bad. I no longer kiss some obnoxious girls ass just cause I want to get in her pants. Hell, the drive just aint the same as it used to be and that's a good thing. Forgetting can be a good thing to, as they say, "ignorance is bliss" and in the words of George Kastansas dad...."serenity now!";)
I'm beginning to forget better everyday....
The secret of contentment is knowing how to enjoy what you have, and to be able to lose all desire for things beyond your reach. Lin Yutang
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --- William Casey, Director CIA (Quote from internal staff meeting notes 1981)
#78. To: Jethro Tull (#76)
is this better?
The secret of contentment is knowing how to enjoy what you have, and to be able to lose all desire for things beyond your reach. Lin Yutang
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --- William Casey, Director CIA (Quote from internal staff meeting notes 1981)
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