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Title: As Afghanistan Peace Talks Begin, Mish Asks "Why Bother? Just Leave!"
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URL Source: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti ... ish-asks-why-bother-just-leave
Published: Sep 15, 2020
Author: Mike Shedlock
Post Date: 2020-09-15 13:02:41 by Ada
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Views: 38
Comments: 10

The US is in peace talks with the Taliban. Concerns mount.

Will the Taliban Hold Up Their End of the Deal?

Here is the wrong question: Will the Taliban Hold Up Their End of the Deal?

The four-part agreement between the U.S. and the Taliban committed the U.S. to withdrawing most of its soldiers from Afghanistan, which it is doing. In exchange, the Taliban provided assurances that Afghanistan would no longer be used as a base from which to wage attacks against the U.S. and its allies. It also agreed to engage with the Afghan government.

But the promises made by the Taliban to meet those goals were vague and very difficult to verify.

Based on publicly available information, I find the Taliban has met only two of the seven conditions stipulated in its peace accord with the U.S.: releasing 1,000 Afghan prisoners and entering talks with the Afghan government.

Does It Matter?

Of course the Taliban will not honor the deal.

So what?

They will not honor it if we stay another 20 years and waste another $10 trillion in the process. Right Questions

Why are we still there?

Why were we there in the first place?

What did we accomplish?

The answer to #3 is nothing and if we stay another 20 years the answer will still be nothing. Peace With Honor

In 1968, Nixon made this campaign pledge: "I pledge to you that we shall have an honorable end to the war in Vietnam."

The US bickered over details with North Vietnam until January 23, 1973. US troops finally pulled out on March 29, 1973.

North Vietnam overran Saigon on April 30, 1975. Paris Peace Accords

Please consider provisions of the Paris Peace Accords ending the Vietnam War.

Here are the two pertinent ones.

A cease-fire in place in South Vietnam followed by precise delineations of communist and government zones of control.

The establishment of a “National Council of National Reconciliation and Concord” composed of a communist, government, and neutralist side to implement democratic liberties and organize free elections in South Vietnam.

Debate over the Shape of the Table

The peace talks were delayed for months over the shape of the table.

One of the largest hurdles to effective negotiation was the fact that North Vietnam and the National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam (NLF, or Viet Cong) in the South, refused to recognize the government of South Vietnam; with equal persistence, the government in Saigon refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of the NLF.

A similar debate concerned the shape of the table to be used at the conference. The North favored a circular table, in which all parties, including NLF representatives, would appear to be "equal"' in importance. The South Vietnamese argued that only a rectangular table was acceptable, for only a rectangle could show two distinct sides to the conflict. Eventually a compromise was reached, in which representatives of the northern and southern governments would sit at a circular table, with members representing all other parties sitting at individual square tables around them.

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In 1966, in the middle of the Vietnam War, the late Senator George Aiken of Vermont famously recommended that the United States simply "declare victory and get out." With the benefit of hindsight, that seems like pretty good advice. Today, it is more or less what the Obama administration is trying to do in Afghanistan.

That article was written in 2012. We are still in Afghanistan pretending there is some mission of honor to accomplish and the Taliban will honor the deal. Just Leave

No, the Taliban will not honor the deal.

I don't really give a damn because we have no business there in the first place just as we had no business in Vietnam and numerous other places.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Leaving without a deal is politically bad. Looks better to leave with one and then when the Taliban breaks it, bomb them a few times.

Leaving without a deal is indistinguishable from being defeated.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-09-15   13:19:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pinguinite (#1)

Leaving without a deal is indistinguishable from being defeated.

You need a deal to make the peace treaty stick.

I wonder if any of them are still around that remember how we sent Stinger Missiles there to help Muhajideen beat the Soviets.

This was known as Operation Cyclone and was conduced from 1979 to 1989.

MI6 also conduced their own operations.

The Soviet defeat there eventually led to its bankruptcy and dissolution. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-09-15   13:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#2)

I wonder if any of them are still around that remember how we sent Stinger Missiles there to help Muhajideen beat the Soviets.

I certainly remember that. I was teenage war hawk back then cheering on their casualties and relishing the Reader's Digest accounts of defectors from the USSR citing just how terrible things were there. Though back then, the soviets back then were openly communist and a true adversary dominating eastern European countries against their will.

But yes, shoulder launched stinger missiles were the way the US stuck it to the soviets in Afghanistan.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-09-15   14:09:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#3)

I was teenage war hawk

You are dating yourself Neil.

In the 80s when the U.S. invaded Iraq, Saddam was saying, "This will be the mother of all battles." And he was right. It was a motha.

The Highway of Death was from Kuwait to Baghdad. The A-10s would strafe fleeing Iraqi columns.

Now the U.N. is forcing the cleanup of the remains of DU ammo. It is being sealed in drums and sent back to Idaho to be buried in old mine shafts where the low level radiation can harm no one. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-09-15   14:25:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BTP Holdings (#4)

In the 80s when the U.S. invaded Iraq, Saddam was saying, "This will be the mother of all battles."

I believe it was the early 90's when Gulf War I took place, which only invaded Kuwait. Or at least that was the only objective. That was under Bush 1. Took another 10-12 years for W to do the full take-over of Iraq, which was quite predictably a complete disaster for everyone.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-09-15   14:54:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite (#1)

Defeat and 'politically bad' don't apply with DC's jew world order, Ping. These 'wars' are exactly equivalent to me running around raping, robbing and murdering ppl just because you don't like them, or vice versa. Are there negotiations when a mass murderer is apprehended?

We ran in a state of total terror and disgrace from Vietnam on 4/30/75 and nothing couldov been more fitting.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-09-15   20:12:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ada, BTP Holdings, Pinguinite (#0)

Another terrific find, Ada -- I ('scronx') just included it in a spicy YT comment:

www.youtube.com/watch? v=M...thP3M&pp=wgIECgIIAQ%3D%3D

All war is terrible, but for the vaunted Greatest Country In The World™ to live by and for it is the great crime of modern history -- BECAUSE we were the perfect candidate to show the world how nationhood and normalcy are done. It's bad enuff on these countries too small to fend us off, but also destroys the public mind and soul stateside.

We're not the global cop -- we're the hi-tech Genghis Khan. ameriKa is the very embodiment and image of evil as long as it goes on.

No other countries are indulging in any cross-border aggressions -- not even today's commie countries. WE ARE SAVING THE WORLD FROM ITS FIRST CHANCE FOR PEACE IN ALL OF HISTORY. We're worse than NK in this crucial regard!

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-09-15   20:25:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pinguinite (#5)

Took another 10-12 years for W to do the full take-over of Iraq.

But Neil, are you aware of the TRUE REASON we invaded Iraq?

I'll give you a hint. It was not because Saddam had WMDs. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-09-15   20:27:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: BTP Holdings (#8)

I'll give you a hint. It was not because Saddam had WMDs. ;)

The petrodollar. Or so is claimed, and I wouldn't doubt it. Saddam allegedly was to begin selling oil in Euros.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-09-15   21:47:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#9)

The petrodollar. Or so is claimed, and I wouldn't doubt it. Saddam allegedly was to begin selling oil in Euros

Right!

In Saddam's own words, "I do not want to trade in the currency of the enemy." ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-09-16   6:27:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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