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Title: ‘We Don’t Think He Did Anything Wrong’: Gun Rights Group Details Why They Think The Rittenhouse Shooting Was ‘Self Defense’
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URL Source: https://dailycaller.com/2020/09/02/ ... lf-defense-gun-owners-america/
Published: Sep 2, 2020
Author: JAKE DIMA
Post Date: 2020-10-21 12:46:41 by BTP Holdings
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‘We Don’t Think He Did Anything Wrong’: Gun Rights Group Details Why They Think The Rittenhouse Shooting Was ‘Self Defense’

Protests Continue After Kenosha, WI Police Shooting Of Jacob Blake Scott Olson/Getty Images

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September 02, 2020 10:00 PM ET

A spokesman for the Gun Owners of America told the Daily Caller News Foundation that the organization believes Kyle Rittenhouse was “forced to fire in self defense” the night he was accused of shooting three people, killing two of them, in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
> Rice said Rittenhouse appeared to have been trained and handled the situation with discipline and precision.
> The spokesman and teenager’s lawyer decry the claim that Rittenhouse was a vigilante or that he was in possession of an illegal firearm.

A spokesperson for the Gun Owners of America, a prominent Second Amendment group, told the Daily Caller News Foundation that Kyle Rittenhouse’s actions in Kenosha, Wisconsin last week were justified in the context of self defense.

Firearms instructor and GOA spokesman Alan Rice, who spoke on behalf of the organization’s lawyers, insisted 17-year-old Rittenhouse was within his legal right to self preservation when he allegedly shot three people, killing two of them, in the riots that followed the police shooting of Jacob Blake.

“We don’t think he did anything wrong as far as defending himself and using a firearm,” Rice told the DCNF in a phone interview. “They chased him, they followed him and he was forced to fire in self defense.”

Rittenhouse was arrested last week after being accused of shooting and killing one man near an auto body shop while he was being chased around midnight going into Wednesday morning, according to a criminal complaint obtained by Axios. The 17-year-old ran into the road, tripped and fell to the ground and allegedly fatally shot another man in the chest and a third in the arm as they rushed him, the complaint stated.

“It’s the defender’s perception, did he perceive his life was in immediate or otherwise unavoidable danger of death or serious bodily injury?” Rice said. “I do think he made the right call, I think he would’ve been seriously injured or worse, killed, if he didn’t fight back. I don’t think he had a choice, these guys were chasing him and he was outnumbered.”

Videos and the criminal complaint used to charge Rittenhouse both substantiate claims that the teenager was fleeing from a group before the first shooting. Rice also invoked Wisconsin self defense law to bolster GOA’s view that the 17-year-old was justified in his course of action.

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“A person is privileged to threaten or intentionally use force against another for the purpose of preventing or terminating what the person reasonably believes to be an unlawful interference with his or her person by such other person,” the Wisconsin self defense law referenced by Rice reads, according to the state legislature. “The actor may intentionally use only such force or threat thereof as the actor reasonably believes is necessary to prevent or terminate the interference.”

Rice said that Rittenhouse acted within the legal bounds of the state law and insisted the code is one of the more lenient in the U.S., as it allows the defender to use threats and take preventative self defense action.

Critics insist Rittenhouse wasn’t justified.

“Because let’s be clear,” liberal talk show host John Oliver said in a Sunday show, according to the Daily Beast. “A 17-year-old vigilante with a rifle cannot maintain order, because a 17-year-old vigilante with a rifle trying to maintain order is himself the definition of disorder— except, of course, if you’re a regular viewer of Tucker Carlson, a show that exists to teach its viewers precisely three things: Property damage is violence, homicide is order, and pillows are for sale.”

Others argue that Rittenhouse was illegally carrying the rifle.

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Rice disagrees with the characterization of Rittenhouse as a “vigilante” and pointed to statements from the teenager’s lawyer Pierce Bainbridge to debunk the classification of the AR-15 as illegal.

Bainbridge in a Friday statement wrote that Rittenhouse finished his workday as a community lifeguard in Kenosha, cleaned graffiti off a local public school and then traveled to a car dealership after the owners called for help from the public. Rittenhouse and a friend grabbed rifles that were legally possessed in Wisconsin to protect the businesses seeking aid, the statement read.

“We’ve got to remember, why were these people in Kenosha? These people are in Wisconsin because of a shooting to riot and burn and we’ve got Kyle Rittenhouse going to a local school and washing graffiti off the wall,” Rice said.

“Without knowing anything about the situation, it looks to me like Kyle Rittenhouse is a pretty decent young man.”

The criminal complaint issued against the teen lists a misdemeanor charge for possession of a firearm by a minor. Additionally, it is forbidden for someone to carry a firearm openly in the state of Wisconsin unless they are over 18, according to USA Carry.

Rice also said Rittenhouse appeared to be trained and the accuracy of his shot placement may bode well in his defense.

A man wears a shirt calling for freedom for Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, the man who allegedly shot protesters in Wisconsin, during a US President Donald Trump Campaign Rally, the day after the end of the Republican National Convention, at Manchester airport in Londonderry, New Hampshire on August 28, 2020. (JOSEPH PREZIOSO/AFP via Getty Images)

“As far as the shot placement, we teach in self defense training: hits count, misses don’t. He didn’t hit an innocent bystander and his shots went where they needed to go, so that shows an amazing amount of discipline — he’s obviously had training,” Rice told the DCNF.

“I would guess that his defense team would raise that at trial and say he wasn’t reckless, he wasn’t dangerous, he hit the person who was trying to harm him,” he continued. (RELATED: Here’s What We Know About The Kenosha Shooting And Its Victims)

Rittenhouse is accused of killing Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, and Kyle Huber, 26, in addition to severely injuring Gaige Grosskreutz, 26, with a grizzly wound to the arm, according to the complaint. All three of the men had past convictions ranging from sexual conduct with a minor to felony strangulation and false imprisonment, according to a DCNF analysis of Kenosha and statewide court databases.

Huber was hailed as a hero by some for trying to thwart the shooting by hitting Rittenhouse with a skateboard, but Rice disagreed.

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“That skateboard ceased to be a skateboard when the person who had it decided to turn it into a deadly weapon,” Rice said. “That skateboard at that moment was the same thing as someone swinging a baseball bat.”

“That was not an innocent kid with a skateboard,” he added. “An innocent kid with a skateboard would’ve gotten on his skateboard and rolled away.”

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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0) (Edited)

I'm reminded of the trial of several people from the Waco fiasco. I'd have to look up details, but a jury trial was held related to charges stemming from the ATF's initial raid of the place when 6 Davidians and 4 ATF agents were killed.

They were charged with numerous things, but the jury acquitted on the most serious charges and only convicted on minor infractions. The prosecution then went to the judge after the trial and argued that because the jury convicted on some minor charges, the defendants had to be legally guilty of at least some of the more serious charges as a matter of law. The judge agreed and put out an arrest warrant, and some defendants were picked up at airports on their way to settel into a new life and spent years in prison for charges the jury expressly acquitted them of.

What the Davidian survivers went through should serve as a warning for the Rittenhouse defense. Here's a recap of just how screwy thaht trial was:

www.serendipity.li/waco/moore5.html

While Rittenhouse may be acquitted of murder, he would be much more easily convicted of possession of the rifle in the first place. If a jury convicts him of that minor charge but acquits of the serious charge, the prosecution may use that minor conviction to leverage more serious charges.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-10-21   14:02:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Pinguinite (#1)

Good point, unfortunately. When the stakes are this high, even fakely, they make an example of people -- and with all the fraudulent fury they've whipt up about 'white supremacy the heat (their own on behalf of the Chosen) will be on to convict.

Those poor Davidians -- so what if their religion was nutty? Deeply ingrained in American history. They were dealing guns entirely legally and the feds saw that as their fake MacGuffin, just as in the sister 1990s case of Randy Weaver.

They know women fear guns and run men, so the algebra of such psyops is simple indeed.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-10-21   14:10:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: NeoconsNailed (#2)

Those poor Davidians -- so what if their religion was nutty? Deeply ingrained in American history. They were dealing guns entirely legally and the feds saw that as their fake MacGuffin, just as in the sister 1990s case of Randy Weaver.

It's believed that the ATF conducted the dramatic raid as part of a PR show to impress congress so they'd get more funding. Koresh could have been arrested in town on a grocery run or while out jogging, but that wouldn't have been exciting enough.

There were hearings in congress after the mess ended, and this girl was brought in to testify about how much of a sexual deviant Koresh was. Obviously the claim was beside the point of whether the ATF acted responsibly, but young teenage girl read off a statement attesting to lots of sexual abuse that was pretty explicit. It was to the point that a congressman interrupted and questioned the appropriateness of it.

But one thing that stood out to me was the complete lack of emotion expressed by the girl as she read it. Later when the daughter of an ambassador also testified in congress about how Iraqi soldiers were killing babies in incubators, it occurred to me that this young teen may well have been attesting to sex crimes that never actually occurred, which would explain here emotionless state.

The ATF went to great lengths to hide their misconduct in the Waco siege, including to make the door of the place disappear which had bullet damage on it which would have served as evidence as to what happened that day. That they would put this girl up to reading a false statement in Congress to make the public stop being curious is a very reasonable possibility.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-10-21   14:22:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#1) (Edited)

If a jury convicts him of that minor charge but acquits of the serious charge, the prosecution may use that minor conviction to leverage more serious charges.

Depending on the make up of the jury, it could be hung and there would have to be a new trial.

When I worked for State of Illinois I got called for federal jury duty.

Prisoners were suing guards for beating on them. When they found out I worked for the State I was dismissed by the lawyer for the prisoners. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2020-10-21   15:25:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BTP Holdings (#4)

Anyone working in security would be dismissed from a case like than as a matter of course.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-10-21   15:31:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite (#3)

Right -- it was all for other than the stated goals (isn't everything). They saved the kids from nonexistent abuse by murdering them. The teenage witness is clearly a fraud they recycle -- gee how did little miss Nayirah come to speak such good English?

Wouldn't you love to know how she lives witherself now. "she is alive and well in Kuwait" -- quora.com.

This govt is the 666-beast of prophecy -- the Bible gets some things right (a stopt clock is right 2x/day). People must understand it exists to destroy us.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2020-10-21   15:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

A spokesman for the Gun Owners of America told the Daily Caller News Foundation that the organization believes Kyle Rittenhouse was “forced to fire in self defense” the night he was accused of shooting three people, killing two of them, in Kenosha, Wisconsin.

The National Rifle Association has chosen to remain silent on Kyle Rittenhouse.

Bill D Berger  posted on  2020-10-21   17:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pinguinite (#5)

dismissed from a case like that as a matter of course.

That reminds me a teetotaling preacher friend of mine who got called for jury duty on a drunk driving trial. They sent him home anon.

StraitGate  posted on  2020-10-21   18:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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