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Title: If The Election is Stolen for Biden, What Then?
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Published: Nov 21, 2020
Author: Me
Post Date: 2020-11-21 10:57:23 by Pinguinite
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Views: 100
Comments: 12

Screen Name writes:

>>The election was outright stolen. Trump won.

I certainly agree.

>>Prosecute the offenders, top to bottom, wherever they are.

Way overdue.

>>I really don't care to "die safe and in peace" in Central America while there is a legitimate President in the WH that was sorely abused and is saying he will fight to the end and take it all down.

There are several perspectives. As bad as stealing a US presidential election is, as offensive as it is on a citizenship/nationalist level, our primary purpose in life is spiritual. Often people conflate the two, particularly when they say "God Bless the USA" and claim the country was established by God as some kind of beacon of spiritual light for the world in leading it out of some spiritual darkness. I call that hogwash. I don't see the world as revolving around the USA as so many Americans typically do. The USA is one country of a great many on the planet, and like any other country has its pros and cons, no more spiritually blessed than any other country.

To be clear on my personal view, on a spiritual level, I see the entire human race and planet earth as expendable, much less the fate of individual countries. That's my particular take and it's not the usual Christian view, as much of Christianity is built around the assumption that we are primarily human. I disagree with that, as I believe we are primarily souls, which defines the vast majority of what we are, with our human bodies only defining a very minor part of our identity, much as how we dress only defines a minor part of our identity when we go out into society on a daily business. It's same person whether in a suit & tie or in ripped up jeans and an oily T-shirt.

So, on that higher spiritual level, I consider all countries and governments expendable, including the USA. With that final background in place ....

I see below that, there is the political level. In spite of what I've said above, I have been very attentive to the elections and have been much more tuned in politically to what's been happening in the last 4 years since Trump was elected. I do consider it important at this lessor level, and important enough to be involved both here and as a commentator on other online platforms. The US government does play a big role in world affairs which yes, does impact life outside of the country. China is an immoral country being communist and a rising global threat and anyone outside the country should view that as a real threat. China won't stop with Taiwan. Trump at least recognized the threat of the massive trade deficit and worked to keep China in check, and losing that check to a president that is bought and paid for by the communist country -- bad news.

But it's no more bad than it was before Trump won in 2016. Until Trump, I basically didn't care about the well being of the USA because it was a lost cause. W Bush is a war criminal for invading Iraq and destroying that country. McCain would have been worse. Obama proved to be W Bush II. Well, Biden taking the presidency would return us to that "norm".

So should people like us living outside the country pay such a dear price in a futile attempt to correct a national wrong that we don't have any direct stake in? Well..... maybe. But it would be futile at best, and even counterproductive to the movement Trump has started. In fact, hostile actions would play right into the hands of the liberal left. They'd love to see nothing less than a "white supremacist" rebellion attempt. It would be their wildest dreams coming true.

One of my spiritual beliefs is in the sanctity of free will. People should be free to do what they want, so long as they suffer the consequences, both good and bad. People MUST be responsible for their own actions, and in this election, that does apply to the US population as a whole. Arguably people get the government they deserve, and if the American people as a whole rubber stamp this election, even while stolen, rejecting their best friend in Trump, then perhaps the USA arguably deserves the consequences. Now obviously, when a people have had enough and do what happened 250 years ago and throw off a tyrant and set up a new gov, good things happen. Though throwing off a foreign ruler as happened back then is much different than throwing off a domestic one. The French revolution is a case that illustrates that all to well.

But would such a grass roots effort work today? No, I don't think it will and again, today it would be a domestic crony, not a foreign one. And 250 years ago it wasn't a grass roots effort either. It was the colonial government that acted. The equivalent today would be state legislatures uniting to declare independence from Washington. That almost worked 150 years ago, but today, we don't even have that. So as a matter of practical success, no grass roots effort lacking even sanction from individual states would work today, at least not without a serious catalyst like an economic collapse.

And that pending economic collapse brings us to a strategic consideration in how to deal with this, that being that the US economy is SCREWED and not even Trump can prevent that. One of Trump's shortcomings is he doesn't understand the dire situation the economy is in. Obviously Covid and lockdowns isn't his fault as there has been universal consensus that they should have been done which we pretty much know now was a mistake. (Maybe China even released the virus, timed as it was, for the express purpose of having it harm Trump's reelection efforts, as communist philosophy permits killing people for the "greater good"), Massive stimulus spending has only worsened the situation and significantly. What’s best for the US is for Trump to be in charge when it happens because even though he’s not aware of the problem, he’s best able to handle if/when it does happen.

So now maybe Biden will be president. Well, if he’s prez when it does happen, a benefit is that he’ll get the credit for the enormous crash instead of Trump.

As for the remedy about collapsing economics: Crypto currency. Now you and I discussed this before and disagree on it. At least we used to. I see crypto as a huge weapon against the establishment. You stated before your belief that, while crypto is indeed a threat to gov control, it is for that reason the establishment will outlaw it. I say they cannot do that. It is simply not possible for them to do that, though they wish they could. Crypto has the advantage of being a “living currency” in that software can evolve and change over time, adapting to market and legal conditions to make it thrive. Crypto is ultimately software and data on the internet, and decentralized at that. It can be disguised, if needed, on smart phones so a review by law enforcement won’t find it. I’m a software guy and am speaking authoritatively on this point. Right now Bitcoin is nearing it’s high from 3 years ago, and numerous alternative cryptos are following suit. I hope you still have some, but if not, and this goes for everyone, it’s not too late. Following past patterns, bitcoin’s next upswing should take it to between 50k & 100k. (It’s at about 18.5k right now).

And crypto is not just a PITA for the establishment. It’s a major weapon. You know Rothchild’s quote about control of the currency. With free market crypto like bitcoin (not tokens like central banks will be issuing and which already exist that are not minable but rather centrally issued and created at will like fiat) central banks lose control, and govs that thrive on deficit spending do too. And not just a little control, but a LOT of control. Anyone who wants to be a rebel against big gov should get into crypto STAT and promote it, because without the ability to take as much goods and services from society as they want, which central bank fiat allows, govs are reduced to mortal status.

Another strategic consideration: Trump won’t go away even if he does lose this time. He’s still mega rich, he’s still determined, and now he’s pissed. He has a huge following, a majority even, and he can make a splash. But he cannot do as you suggest and order marshal law. Or at least can’t do it wisely. If he does, he will validate the lies the left has been spouting for the last 4 years about him being a dictator, and he will throw away the huge movement he started.

Rather, Trump could at minimum start a new media company bringing on conservative and patriotic values, and you know – we know – that if he does, it will instantly attract a huge following that will blow the ratings of the existing MSM, including Fox which appears to have been relinquished into liberal ownership, out of the water.

What else will Trump do? Not sure, but he will definitely be thinking on all manner of contingency plans. He’ll be the Patriotic Right version of George Soros, though he’ll have more than simply money to throw into the fight, but a charismatic energy as well.

And then there’s 2024. If Trump wants to run for a second term and is in any where near the same health he’s in now, the R nomination is his for the asking. So Trump may well get a second term after all, in time. And an advantage to that is he’ll have the next 4 years to better understand the political and elitist deep state climate he is actually been dealing with, which has been somewhat lost on him to date.

So, no, even if Trump has to leave the presidency, it’s not the end of the USA. The Dems will lose the anti-Trump unity they’ve possessed for the past 4 years and the AOC squad turns on Biden for not embracing full on communism, but instead pitching a watered down version. BLM will be disappointed in Biden and Antifa will really look bad as Biden starts catering to big corp interests. The economy may well experience a huge collapse under Biden’s or Harris’s watch which they will get credit for.

For my part, I’ll be happy with that. I believe in personal responsibility, and the American people will reap what they sow, in this case for tolerating fraud, and the D’s for electing a guy who will sell them out. As you are not in the USA, you can be spared that, and with crypto & precious metals, even benefit from it which you should absolutely do.

So there is my take on this situation from a variety of perspectives. It is more passive for spiritual, strategic and pragmatic reasons. I understand being PO’d, and in fact I am PO’d. But I would urge taking the Sun Tzu approach (The Art of War being a good thing China actually produced in spite of their current communist tolerances). Play hands wisely and don’t waste resources fighting battles that are doomed to failure. Understand your enemy's weakness and use it to your advantage, even if it requires patience.

So patience and preparation is what's best exercised right now. Preparation means: Buy crypto, and watch what Trump does next.

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#1. To: Pinguinite (#0)

Thank you, Neil, for your thoughtfulness and effort. We are under deluge conditions here at the present moment and the neighbor left the culver (which runs under the beach road) beneath her house closed. She has a tendency to be this way.

But I did skim it, you raise valid points and after I get a chance, I will read it intently, ponder my response, and address your letter appropriately.

Until then, I will posit two "simplistic but relevant" questions, which, if you would answer, would be of great service to my response. The purpose of this exercise, imo, should be nothing but positive outcomes, if not certain conclusiones. ALL SPIRITUALITY ASIDE. Because almost everyone f**ks that up.

You know that I respect and love you, do you not?

Two questions:

- was Lincoln a Tyrant? - did the various southern States have a Constitutional and / or 'moral right or obligation' to secede?

Thanks, and catch you before the weekend is up. We are also readying for a new offshore launch, so please permit me your patience if I need until Monday. Really serious weather off the Pacific this weekend.

Another Voice (Rev. 18:4) "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

Screen Name  posted on  2020-11-21   11:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Screen Name (#1)

was Lincoln a Tyrant?

I think he qualifies, yes. The Maryland State Anthem pays "homage" to Lincoln in very unflattering words for his record of imprisoning the MD legislature so they couldn't vote to secede, something I think about all of us here understand. Lincoln considered it imperative that the union stay intact, for reasons that I'm not aware of, and his war against the south was pursuant to that end, and it was, yes, quite wrong as it violated the premise stated in our own DoI that states people have a right to the gov of their choosing.

did the various southern States have a Constitutional and / or 'moral right or obligation' to secede?

They certainly had a moral right to secede. As stated our own DoI makes that point abundantly clear. Whether it specifically is a "Constitutional Right" to secede is less clear as teh Constitution does no lay out any rules for secession that I'm aware of. I guess if it does not specify that, then it could be said that in spite of the moral right to secede, there is no Constitutional Right to same.

An obligation to secede? No, there's no obligation, unless you mean "moral obligation". That could be argued but again, given the natural right people have to a gov of their choice, it would have to mean the right to the current gov couldn't be denied a people that preferred not to secede.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-11-21   12:08:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Pinguinite (#0)

If Biden wins, it is Civil War sooner rather than later.

If Trump wins, it is Civil War later rather than sooner.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2020-11-21   13:32:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite, 4 (#2) (Edited)

With the weekend and its challenges also came news.

Now that Sidney Powell has been harpooned by the Zio-Pubbies, its Game Over.

But, as we were told at a small and special meeting, find your own path to freedom and liberty.

No one, anywhere, in power is with US.

My lengthy and extremely well-articulated reply is now moot. :-)

Never, ever, never trust a World Zionist with money, celebrity or political power, Americans.

Another Voice (Rev. 18:4) "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

Screen Name  posted on  2020-11-23   8:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Screen Name (#4)

Never, ever, never trust a World Zionist with money, celebrity or political power,

Excellent.

Cynicom  posted on  2020-11-23   9:10:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Screen Name, 4um (#4)

Now that Sidney Powell has been harpooned by the Zio-Pubbies, its Game Over.

No, her position with the campaign has not changed. The statement made by the campaign about her does not mean she has been fired.

I was puzzeled by it, but Powell has made a statement that she agrees with what was said, but that her working capacity has not changed at all.

I expect what that is is a legal move by the campaign to protect the campaign. Powell has leveled serious accusations against Dominion and perhaps others that could result in a defamation lawsuit down the road, and the campaign wants to insulate itself from any such potential lawsuit. There's a very good chance Powell, as a lawyer, is already insulated from lawsuits by having her estate and finances safely tucked away in trusts and various other legal entities so that even if a suit against here is successful, plaintiffs would not get anything. I suspect the campaign is insulating itself against Powell for the same reason.

Powell still promises to bring down GA. Can she do it? We don't know, but her claims and promises have not changed at all, nor has her working capacity in this fight.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-11-23   10:26:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Screen Name (#4)

STATEMENT FROM SIDNEY POWELL TO "WE THE PEOPLE"

I agree with the campaign's statement that I am not part of the campaign's legal team. I never signed a retainer agreement or sent the President or the campaign a bill for my expenses or fees.

My intent has always been to expose all the fraud I could find and let the chips fall where they may--whether it be upon Republicans or Democrats.

The evidence I'm compiling is overwhelming that this software tool was used to shift millions of votes from President Trump and other Republican candidates to Biden and other Democrat candidates. We are proceeding to prepare our lawsuit and plan to file it this week. It will be epic.

We will not allow this great Republic to be stolen by communists from without and within or our votes altered or manipulated by foreign actors in Hong Kong, Iran, Venezuela, or Serbia, for example, who have neither regard for human life nor the people who are the engine of this exceptional country.

#WeThePeople elected Donald Trump and other Republican candidates to restore the vision of America as a place of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

You may assist this effort by making a non tax-deductible contribution to www.DefendingTheRepublic.org. #KrakenOnSteroids"

Sidney Powell

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-11-23   10:34:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pinguinite, 4um (#7)

thanks for the linkage and help if you can, everyone

defendingtherepublic.org/

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2020-11-23   11:01:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Lod (#8)

If anyone is interested, I got this from a telegram group called "Beyond the curve". If you want to join, it's all pro-Trump stuff.

Pinguinite  posted on  2020-11-23   11:54:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#9)

Powell could end up being more effective than the seemingly worthless DOJ.

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2020-11-23   11:59:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Lod, 4um (#10)

Powell could end up being more effective than the seemingly worthless DOJ.

I think we're being set up to have the rug jerked out from under us, again.

The Dims started telegraphing their intentions of stealing this election a couple of months beforehand.

I think they're preying on our yearning for fairness now.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2020-11-23   12:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: All (#11)

This is kind of curious...

O' The Irony...Why Are Republicans Moving On To A President-Elect Biden When Putin Isn't?

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2020-11-23   12:43:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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