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Title: Idaho Attorney General Hell Bent
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American Christian Liberty Society
URL Source: http://www.christianliberty.org/art/idahoaghellbent.html
Published: Apr 22, 2006
Author: H. Lance Freeman
Post Date: 2006-04-22 21:28:14 by David Alan Carmichael
Keywords: SSN, Constitution, Religion
Views: 283
Comments: 20
Undermining The Idaho Religious Freedom Restoration Act
H. Lance Freeman
April 21, 2006
Larry Lewis put the Idaho's Free Excercise of Religioun Protected (FERP) law before the Department of Transportation when they told him that he could not longer have a driver's license unless he agreed to identify himself with a Social Security Number (SSN). Larry has come to the conclusion that participation in Social Security violates five of the Ten Commandments and is the number related to the Mark of the Beast. As he understands it, identifying himself with the SSN will earn him eternal damnation. Idaho's Free Excercise of Religion Protected (FERP) was enacted for just such an instance where a law or regulation creates a conflict with any particular religious practice. It requires the government to accommodate the particular practice unless doing would violate an absolutely necessary government funtion. Even when the government can prove that the law or regulation serves an absolutely necessary government function, the government has to find the method of carrying out the function upon that person in a way that least restricts their religious practice.
Larry's case is currently before the Idaho Supreme Court. He is represented by nationally renowned legal scholar Herb Titus from Virginia and local Attorney Stan Crow. Herb Titus came in like the cavalry just in time to draft a hurried brief to the Court just under the deadline.
The Idaho Attorney General position is that Idaho's law protecting freedom of religion is overridden by Section 666 of the Social Security regulations. The official position of the Social Security Administration is that ""The Social Security Act does not require a person to have a Social Security number to live and work in the United States, nor does it require a Social Security number simply for the purpose of having one." April 11, 2003 letter from Charles A. Mullen, Social Security Administration, Associate Commissioner, Office of Public Inquiries. However, Section 666 of their rules require states to demand identification with a SSN from anyone who applies for a professional, occupational, recreational, marriage or driver's license.
J. Tim Thomas, Deputy Attorney General, proposed that Social Security Section 666 compelled Idaho to exclude Mr. Lewis from protection under the Freedom of Religious Expression Protected law. Section 666 relates to "certain family" matters having to do with child support enforcement for those participating in Social Security. Mr. Lewis's contends that the government cannot justify their position that it is necessary for him to identify with a SSN. He is not a participant in Social Security, he is happily married to his only wife, he is not under any child support order, he and his wife have waived any benefit to the Social Security program because of their religious mandates, and use of the single universal identifier is merely for administrative convenience.
The case heated up recently when the United States Supreme Court, unanimously ruled upon a federal case relating to the Federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) that is much like Idaho's FERP [Gonzalez v. O Centro Espirita Beneficente Uniao Do Vegetal (Feb. 21, 2006)]. The U.S. Supreme Court's ruling seemed to track and agree with Herb Titus's brief on behalf of Mr. Lewis, and the defeated United States Attorney's argument seemed to be lock-step with the position taken by the Idaho Attorney General. Mr. Titus submitted a supplemental brief to the Idaho Court pointing out the direct similarities in the cases. In response, J.Tim Thomas conveyed that Section 666 none-the-less trumps Idaho's Free Exercise of Religion Protected statute.
Prior to the 'heavy-hitters' entering the ring, Mr. Lewis had carried this battle alone until November, 2005, when he contacted David Alan Carmichael in Virginia for help. Mr. Carmichael is the founder of the American Christian Liberty Society [http://webmail.assure.net/Redirect/www.christianliberty.org]. They are a fellowship of Christians who believe the SSN is the number of the beast referred to in the book of Revelation. Their members completely abstain from participation in Social Security and from identifying with its numbers for any reason. Mr. Carmichael asked Herb Titus to take on Mr. Lewis's case just before the final brief was due. Herb Titus had earlier come to Mr. Carmichael's rescue in a successful suit against the Navy after they discharged him for asking that the Navy issue a Navy generated "service number" in lieu of using an SSN as their Military Personnel Identification Number [David Alan Carmichael v. United States, 298 F.3d 1367 (Aug 2002); 66 Fed. Cl. 115 (2005)].
Mr. Carmichael says that a win in the Lewis v. Idaho case is critical to their work to try to secure religious liberty to those who comply with the Biblical precepts relating to the book of Revelation, Chapter 13. He said, "We are literally having to die to every common right known to other Americans solely because we will not forsake our allegiance to Jesus Christ. (Social Security) is a voluntary program from which noone seems to be able to not volunteer. Terrorism, drug-money laundering, dead-beat dads, and illegal immigration are the guises the government is using to implement the national identification number without which no man may buy or sell. Religious liberty protection under the law is available except for any religious objection to being adhered to the damnable number. The SSN is the number of the beast." Mr. Carmichael promised Mr. Lewis that he will do everything he can to support his case. "A win for Larry is a win for all of us", said Carmichael.
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#1. To: Christine, Zipporah, Neil McIver, David Alan Carmichael (#0)
Is there any way to get this article up to where it doesn't run into the right side article listing area? I believe it is one we'd all like to read...or at least most of us would. :) Thanx
Good luck guys - thoughts and prayers are with you.
it doesn't do that in the brushed format. you could try going to setup and selecting the brushed skin to read the article. there's also no sidebar on the article pages with the new look.
"Of the corporate elites, by the corporate elites, for the corporate elites" - it's what America is all about. Now send your kids off to fight and die in Iraq so that corporate pigs get everything and we get nothing. What else have we ever fought for?~~Elliott J
right on, David. i got your book. ouch on the run in with the bike rack! ;)
"Of the corporate elites, by the corporate elites, for the corporate elites" - it's what America is all about. Now send your kids off to fight and die in Iraq so that corporate pigs get everything and we get nothing. What else have we ever fought for?~~Elliott J
There is no doubt going to be a sequel. More amazing things continue to happen. It affirms that the Lord is sending us done this path. I am as of two weeks ago full-time on this mission to minister to those who need to be free. I am telling our "ECM" supporters that I probably won't be teaching many computer classes for a while. Thus, we took on many tens of thousands in legal bills and are risking what little support we had at the same time. What an adventure. Share the book where you can. Bro. David
a heartfelt thank you.
"Of the corporate elites, by the corporate elites, for the corporate elites" - it's what America is all about. Now send your kids off to fight and die in Iraq so that corporate pigs get everything and we get nothing. What else have we ever fought for?~~Elliott J
Thx Chrissie..........I tried both Brushed skins and I go back to that having to scroll across, etc. Anyways......when I came back here to figure out how I was going to get this thingie read, lo and behold some sweet precious gremlin [God forbid it twere a demon in disguise!]came along and fixed it. :) As I noted, it is a worthy read.
According to the Congressional Research Service, the word "state" has two different meanings and denotes two different jurisdictions. One meaning would be used as in "the several states", meaning the 50 states of the Union, and the other meaning would be for federal states such as the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, etc. Clearly, Section 666 falls under the meaning of the "federal states" and not the "several states." To see this we would have to compare similar usage in other laws. Furthermore, it was never the intent of Congress to make this apply in a mandatory fashion other than to federal employees and the federal territories and possessions. Everyone else has "volunteered" into the system, the propaganda matrix notwithstanding. If it was meant to be any other way, it would have been struck down by the courts since the federal government has NO AUTHORITY to make these requirements apply to the citizens of the 50 states of the Union. Once you sign the application, you have now applied for the benefits and they have you by the cajones. I do have an SSA form (I forget the number offhand, but I found it when I was packing legal papers for my recent move) which will allow you to opt out of benefits and rescind your application. SSA employees guard that form like hawks. I had this one form and misplaced it, so I went to the SSA office where I got it in the first place. I aksed for it again and the woman went into the file room and came back, but stopped and talked to her supervisor. They both approached the counter and the first woman said, "Sir, do you know what this form does?" And I said, "Yes, I do and I would like that copy now." She held it to her breast and said, "No, you can't have it." I repeated, "I would like that form now." And she said again, "No, you can't have it. Do you realize what this form does?" I said, "I sure do, it will opt me out of any benefits, and I want out of this rotten system." They steadfastly refused to give it to me and all the while there were about 15 people waiting in chairs for their turn who were listening intently to thsi exchange. Needless to say, they were all flabberghasted. And I'll bet none of them had the slightest idea why anyone would want to give up that "free government money."
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue! Sen. Barry Goldwater
I believe the form number is SS-521 Withdrawal Form. I have one (SS-521) signed by the local Administrator that says I have "NO RECORD" and is stamped, signed and dated by the SS Administration. I had opted out of SS about 20 years ago, and occasionally have a little difficulty with worldly affairs, but everything has a price. To me it's worth it not to participate in tithing to the devil ... which is what one with an SSN is expected to do ... "legally" expected to tithe to Uncle Sambo, AKA the Beast. I had finally determined that Uncle Sambo was the Beast, was full of shit and could wage his war on humanity without my financial support, and I really didn't care anylonger what the ramifications might be ... I'm away from home at the moment or I would verify the form number.
Too bad the I-da-"ho" Attorney General wasn't so zealous in prosecuting Lon Horiuchi for murdering Sammy and Vickie Weaver. By the way ... how come I can't seem to have the page fit my screen ?
you need to set your screen resolution to 1280x800 or more. it's probably at 600x800 which causes a side to side scroll. control panel--->appearances and themes--->display---->settings then you'll see a little bar graph to adjust the screen resolution.
"Of the corporate elites, by the corporate elites, for the corporate elites" - it's what America is all about. Now send your kids off to fight and die in Iraq so that corporate pigs get everything and we get nothing. What else have we ever fought for?~~Elliott J
good info..thanks...i've got the "Request for Withdrawal of Application" form on acrobat reader. it says Form Approved OMB No. 0960-0015 in the right upper corner.
"Of the corporate elites, by the corporate elites, for the corporate elites" - it's what America is all about. Now send your kids off to fight and die in Iraq so that corporate pigs get everything and we get nothing. What else have we ever fought for?~~Elliott J
C'mon...is there REALLY a Social Security Section 666? How absolutely bizarre.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
Yes I'd like someone who can to trace that OMB number to find out the federal reg for the form. That will definitively explain it's purpose. I suspect the form is for cancelling the reception of financial benefits, not for cancelling one's SSN issuance. I'm not confident the SS clerks had a clue as to the forms true purpose. Most clerks don't.
Yes there is. In the Act that created the requirement/authorization for the collection of SSN's for DL's, it happened to be assigned section 466, but when the act was codified into the US Code, they had to add 200 to each of the section numbers to keep it from conflicting with existing provisions (standard procedure in codification) so it came out as 666 in the US Code.
Oh man, Neil, you can't get more explicit than that, can you?
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
I'm away from home at the moment or I would verify the form number. It sure is worth it. I wish more people would be willing to sacrifice in order to put the scum on notice. You are correct, it is SS-521. Good to see you posting. ;0)
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue! Sen. Barry Goldwater
Yes there is. In the Act that created the requirement/authorization for the collection of SSN's for DL's, it happened to be assigned section 466, but when the act was codified into the US Code, they had to add 200 to each of the section numbers to keep it from conflicting with existing provisions (standard procedure in codification) so it came out as 666 in the US Code. Cool.
“I don't think we have to worry about Rumsfeld, he's a ruthless little bastard isn't he ?" I sent a letter to the SSA on April 15, 2006, demanding removal of my name, and the names of my children from their damnable records. http://www.christianliberty.org/ssa-remove-name.pdf They have a procedure whereby they remove names from records. They just don't remove records. When I don't get a response from the SSA commissioner on the 25th of April, ten days after my original, I will send a letter return receipt. I shall now send the marvelous form 521. Let us see how it does.
I had no idea. Do keep us updated.
"America? Don't worry about the Americans. We own America." - Ariel Sharon at the Knesset, on October 3, 2001.
#2. To: David Alan Carmichael (#0)
#3. To: rowdee (#1)
#4. To: David Alan Carmichael, BTP Holdings, noone222 (#0)
Mr. Carmichael says that a win in the Lewis v. Idaho case is critical to their work to try to secure religious liberty to those who comply with the Biblical precepts relating to the book of Revelation, Chapter 13. He said, "We are literally having to die to every common right known to other Americans solely because we will not forsake our allegiance to Jesus Christ. (Social Security) is a voluntary program from which noone seems to be able to not volunteer. Terrorism, drug-money laundering, dead-beat dads, and illegal immigration are the guises the government is using to implement the national identification number without which no man may buy or sell. Religious liberty protection under the law is available except for any religious objection to being adhered to the damnable number. The SSN is the number of the beast."
#5. To: christine (#4)
right on, David. i got your book. ouch on the run in with the bike rack
#6. To: David Alan Carmichael (#5)
I am as of two weeks ago full-time on this mission to minister to those who need to be free.
#7. To: christine (#3)
#8. To: David Alan Carmichael, christine, noone222, Neil McIver, rowdee. Zipporah, All (#0)
However, Section 666 of their rules require states to demand identification with a SSN from anyone who applies for a professional, occupational, recreational, marriage or driver's license.
#9. To: BTP Holdings (#8)
I do have an SSA form (I forget the number offhand, but I found it when I was packing legal papers for my recent move) which will allow you to opt out of benefits and rescind your application.
#10. To: christine (#6)
#11. To: noone222 (#10)
#12. To: BTP Holdings, noone222, Neil McIver (#8)
#13. To: David Alan Carmichael (#0)
J. Tim Thomas, Deputy Attorney General, proposed that Social Security Section 666
#14. To: christine (#12)
#15. To: mehitable (#13)
C'mon...is there REALLY a Social Security Section 666? How absolutely bizarre.
#16. To: Neil McIver (#15)
#17. To: noone222 (#9)
it's worth it not to participate in tithing to the devil ... which is what one with an SSN is expected to do ... "legally" expected to tithe to Uncle Sambo, AKA the Beast.
#18. To: Neil McIver, Dakmar, ++666++ (#15)
C'mon...is there REALLY a Social Security Section 666? How absolutely bizarre.
- Richard Nixon excerpt white house tapes.
#19. To: robin (#18)
#20. To: David Alan Carmichael (#19)
They have a procedure whereby they remove names from records. They just don't remove records.
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