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Title: Gulching - Any Experience Here?
Source: Lonsome Self
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Published: Apr 23, 2006
Author: ...
Post Date: 2006-04-23 00:31:48 by ...
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Comments: 67

I am playing with the idea of surviving with very little money. The way my dad did back in the great depression.

We've put in 100 tomato plants and are planning to can spaghetti sauce and a form of vedgitarian chili for the winter. I've also got a buch of peppers going in and several varieties of squash. The squash will keep through the winter.

A woman down the road raises chickens and she was giving me tips on setting this up. It seems like an amazing amount of work. Buried fences faced with sheet metal to keep out foxes and coyotes. She said she lost 20 of her 50 free range hens to foxes last year in broad daylight. I was going to start with ten chickens just to get the feel of it, but I might shine this one. Still thinking it over. One problem is that is sometimes gets to 50 below here in the winter and this makes even more problems for livestock. She was telling me how a thick paste of chicken shit and sawdust on the floor helps keep the coop warm - bleeech.

Last year I tried out some fish traps in the rivers and they worked great. Illegal as hell, but really effective.

Anybody got any other ideas on crops? I am looking for things that grow and produce all summer and, hopefully, could be sold at a produce stand. Corn and wheat take too much land. Truck farming stuff seems best.

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Forget raising chickens for eggs and the freezer.....if the thought of 'poop' bothers you. Oftentimes raising baby chicks or any other fowl, for that matter, their little butts can get 'poop' smeared on where it dries.

IF it is not removed, i.e., wetting the rear end and then using your finger to pick it off, the chick dies because they become bound up.

OTOH, there is nothing like raising your own eggs and 'fried chicken'. YOU determine what they eat. And homegrown chicken egg yolks are a GOLDEN YELLOW--the real deal--not a puny yellow as so many stores have. I sold eggs and raw milk and covered the costs of feeding my chickens and cow, so it was like free for my family.

All livestock production has its ups and downs. BUT of the thought of 'poop' shit bothers you, fuggit bout it. Rabbits are a quick turn around--if you're prepared to sex them and keep them separated--otherwise you have a zillion babies. And your market gets saturated. But with them, if you couldn't stand the squeal of them being slaughtered, fuggit bout it, too.

As to the 50 below and chickens.........I raised 24 hens and a rooster in a non- insulated chicken house. I kept the floor and nesting boxes strawed down in winter. I also had one end of the house made of raised 'roosting' tiers....I used chicken wire to cover these roosing areas so that nothing like a weasel or fox or skunk could grab chickens if they managed to get up through the floor.

This was in western Montana; and the first winter there, we had 120 inches of snow from 10/31 thru 2/29 drop. And January was one of the coldest months-- incredibly windy, making the wind chill factor a real element in producing below zero weather for several weeks. The rooster's comb got partially frostbit. None died......and of the 24 hens, I was getting 22 to 24 eggs a day thru that whole winter!

The real bitch was having to haul warm water out there 2x a day and collecting eggs, else they'd freeze and crack.

All livestock do much better thru winter if they have water that isn't ice. It doesn't have to be as warm as tap water, but several degrees above freezing encourages them to drink more.........and water is vital to all of them.

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IF it is not removed, i.e., wetting the rear end and then using your finger to pick it off, the chick dies because they become bound up.

Is this common, Dee? It makes me wonder how they live in the wild or whatever, without domestication. They wouldn't have humans around to wipe their butts. Would a lot of chicks die because of this? Man, that would truly be a sad...end. Sorry, couldn't help it :)

Also, makes me think of what dogs and cats did before canned food. They say now that cats will go blind without regular commercial cat food because it's got some ingredient in it they need - taurine? So how they hell did they manage not to go blind before that point?

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#46. To: mehitable (#19)

Recall that in the wild, it is survival of the fittest. Not every creature survives birth.

I only raised the first set of day old chicks. We bought 50 mixed sex day old chicks--planning to slaughter and freeze most. They throw in an extra chick in case one dies in the process of shipping.

Baby chicks are sensitive for a bit--they need need supply, food available 24/7 and water. You get one that acts 'dumpy' you get rid of it because it could have something that could affect the rest of the babies. I only had about 5 or 6 dirty butts, and that was like in the first week. Fortunately, an elderly neighbor stopped on and was asking how we liked ranch life. She could hear my baby chicks in the mud room and so we looked at them. She's the one who brought it to my attention.

And they were somewhat standoffish from the others, or not just being a normal healthy baby chick. We got a cup of warm water and plumped their little butts down in it for a few seconds, the started trying to get the crap off. Some it literally took taking a fingernail and picking at it. Once they were dried off and put back, in nothing flat, they were normal baby chicks--pooping, eating, drinking, running behind the curtain to get where the heat was.

Domestication has negatives, it seems, though clearly we believe the positives far outweigh them. Nature has its rules, cycles, systems, etc. When we go against them, try to change them, it isn't always a benefit.

For instance, polled (hornless) cattle. Great for man to work with because you don't get gored, you need less feedbunk space per animal, etc. Bad if you are a cow trying to protect a baby from an animal attacking it that she could kill with her horns--if she had them. That's her major weapon....she doesn't have upper and lower teeth to bite an attacker, although the upper dental pad is pretty strong.

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