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Title: The Ghost Planes - Radio Silence - Helios 522 and Payne Stewart LearJet
Source: EweToob
URL Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtFMVPJqAa4&t=30s
Published: Apr 29, 2021
Author: TheFlightChannel
Post Date: 2021-04-29 15:02:58 by Esso
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www.tailstrike.com/250978 .htm

25 September 1978 - PSA 182

Pacific Southwest Airlines (PSA) Flight 182, registration N533PS, was a Boeing 727-214 commercial airliner that collided over San Diego, California with a private Cessna 172 on September 25, 1978. The death toll of 144 makes it the deadliest aircraft disaster in California history to date, and it was the first Pacific Southwest Airlines accident involving fatalities. It was also the deadliest plane crash in the history of the United States until American Airlines Flight 191 went down eight months later.

The Boeing crashed into North Park, a San Diego neighborhood, killing all 135 on board. The two men aboard the Cessna died, as did seven people on the ground, including two children. Nine others on the ground were injured and 22 homes were destroyed or damaged.

Gibbs Flite Center Cessna 172 aircraft had taken off from Montgomery Field at 08.16 PST and proceeded to Lindbergh Field were two practice ILS approaches to runway 9 were flown. At 09.00 the Cessna pilot was instructed to maintain VFR at or below 3500ft, heading 70deg. PSA Flight 182 (a scheduled passenger flight from Sacramento to San Diego via Los Angeles), cleared for a runway 27 approach, was advised by the approach controller that there was traffic in front of them. The PSA crew reported the traffic in sight immediately thereafter and the PSA flight was instructed to maintain visual separation and contact Lindbergh tower. Lindbergh tower again warned the PSA flight crew of "traffic, twelve o'clock, one mile, a Cessna". The crew had lost track of the Cessna and radioed back: "think he's passing off to our right". The flight crew still weren't sure of the actual position of the Cessna. At 09.01:28 a conflict alert warning began in the San Diego Approach Control facility, indicating a collision hazard between PSA182 and the Cessna. At 09.01:47 the approach controller warned the Cessna pilot of traffic in the vicinity. At the same moment both aircraft collided. Flight 182 was descending and overtaking the Cessna, which was climbing in a wings level attitude. The Cessna broke up immediately and exploded after colliding with the Boeing's right wing. The Boeing entered a shallow right descending turn and crashed into a residential area.

Download the full NTSB report

Transcript of the Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR)

APP = San Diego Approach
CAM = Cockpit Area Mike
RDO = Radio transmission
1 = Captain
2 = First officer
3 = 2nd officer
4 = Casual PSA captain

08.59:30 APP PSA one eighty-two, traffic twelve o'clock, one mile northbound

08.59:35 RDO-1 We're looking

08.59:30 APP PSA one eighty-two, additional traffic's, ah, twelve o'clock, three miles just north of the field northwestbound, a Cessna one seventy-two climbing VFR out of one thousand four hundred.

08:59:50 RDO-2 Okay, we've got that other twelve.

08.59:57 APP Cessna seven seven one one golf, San Diego departure radar contact, maintain VFR conditions at or below three thousand five hundred, fly heading zero seven zero, vector final approach course.

09.00:16 APP PSA one eighty-two, traffic's at twelve o'clock, three miles out of one thousand seven hundred.

09.00:21 CAM-2 Got'em.

09.00:22 RDO-1 Traffic in sight.

09.00:23 APP Okay, sir, maintain visual separation, contact Lindbergh tower one three three point three, have a nice day now.

09.00:28 RDO-1 Okay

09.00:34 RDO-1 Lindbergh PSA one eighty-two downwind.

09.00:38 TWR PSA one eighty-two, Lindbergh tower, ah, traffic twelve o'clock one mile a Cessna

09.00:41 CAM-2 Flaps five

09.00:43 CAM-1 Is that the one we're looking at.

09.00:43 CAM-2 Yeah, but I don't see him now.

09.00:44 RDO-1 Okay, we had it there a minute ago.

09.00:47 TWR One eighty-two, roger.

09.00:50 RDO-1 I think he's pass(sed) off to our right.

09.00:51 TWR Yeah.

09.00:52 CAM-1 He was right over here a minute ago.

09.00:53 TWR How far are you going to take your downwind one eighty- two, company traffic is waiting for departure.

09.00:57 RDO-1 Ah probably about three to four miles.

09.00:59 TWR Okay.

09.01:07 TWR PSA one eighty-two, cleared to land.

09.01:08 RDO-1 One eighty-two's cleared to land.

09.01:11 CAM-2 Are we clear of that Cessna?

09.01:13 CAM-3 Suppose to be.

09.01:14 CAM-1 I guess.

09.01:20 CAM-4 I hope.

09.01:21 CAM-1 Oh yeah, before we turned downwind, I saw him about one o'clock, probably behind us now.

09.01:38 CAM-2 There's one underneath.

09.01:39 CAM-2 I was looking at that inbound there.

09.01:45 CAM-1 Whoop!

09.01:46 CAM-2 Aghhh!

09.01:47 CAM Sound of impact

09.01:49 CAM-1 Easy baby, easy baby.

09.01:51 CAM [sound of electrical system reactivation tone on cvr, system off less than one second] 09.01:51 CAM-1 What have we got here?

09.01:52 CAM-2 It's bad.

09.01:53 CAM-2 We're hit man, we are hit.

09.01:56 RDO-1 Tower, we're going down, this is PSA.

09.01:57 TWR Okay, we'll call the equipment for you.

09.01:58 CAM [sound of stall warning]

09.02:04.5 CAM-1

PA-1

CAM-1

CAM This is it! Brace yourself! Mom, I love you!

[end of recording]

Recording between Cessna N7711G and Miramar RATCF:

08.59:51 7711G (unintelligeble) seven seven one one gulf (unintelligeble) one thousand five hundred ah northwestbound

08.59:56 Miramar Cessna seven seven one one golf San Diego departure radar contact maintain VFR conditions at or below three thousand five hundred, fly heading zero seven zero, vector final approach course.

09.00:08 7711G zero seven zero on the heading and VF'n R below three thousand five hundred (unintelligeble).

09.00:31 Miramar Cessna one one golf and traffic's at six o'clock two miles eastbound PSA jet inbound to Lindbergh out of three thousand two hundred has you in sight.

09.00:43 7711G one one gulf roger.

09.01:47 Miramar Cessna one one golf a traffic ah in your vicinity a PSA jet has you in sight he's descending for Lindbergh.

[end of recording]

Esso  posted on  2021-04-29   16:28:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Two identical but totally different buzzer warnings -- wonder how that happened.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2021-04-29   19:23:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Most likely pilot overconfidence/incompetence.

Pilots know everything. I used to be one for awhile.

(Edit) Shit happens as pilot-in-command. I could tell you some scary stories. That's why I always carried a little pliers in my flight bag, I could tune the NavGear that had broken knobs.

Still didn't prevent me from accidently flying into controlled airspace.

Ann Arbor approach: 757RN, we don't see you. Do you see two intersecting runways?

757RN: That's affirm, I see two runways... Three, four, five runways. Stand by one...

Ann Arbor approach: 757RN turn left immediately heading 270, maintain altitude!

757RN: I already did that Ann Arbor.

FWIW, I was flying into Willow Run, south of Detroit, I think. That was back in the bad ol' days before GPS.

Esso  posted on  2021-04-29   19:37:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

And I feel just like Jesus' son....

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2021-04-29   19:48:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

What? So I need my special ID to deal with you now? WTAF?

Esso  posted on  2021-04-29   19:57:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Mental Health Passport. Vote Biden! :)

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2021-04-29   20:06:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hey, I figured it out after I put on my cheaters. You're a sick MFer.

"You live with me now, don't you?"

You figure out what TeeVee series that came from, you're a god.

Esso  posted on  2021-04-29   20:13:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

set me free, why don't you....? :)

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2021-04-29   20:17:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Fuck, when did we get old?

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2021-04-29   20:24:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Fuck, when did we get old?

That's another good question. I spent 40-some years as a 24 year old and all the sudden folks are telling me that if I don't "cool it" I'll end up paralyzed in a nursing home.

I'll be your Lonely Ranger, big fella.

Esso  posted on  2021-04-29   20:37:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I thought this was cool as hell when it came out. Still do. Lemmy rocks!

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2021-04-29   20:41:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Buttered scones for tea! Hells yes!

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2021-04-29   20:44:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You're a sick MFer.

They're just musicians, chill. :)

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2021-04-29   21:16:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Buttered scones for tea!

Hey, those guys were why I only bought Canadian silver and gold. I figured that I had a better chance with the Mounties than with the IRS goons with M16/4s and MRAPS. Been there, done that before.

My buddy asked me how much I was paying my lawn-guy the other day when he trailered back a wood chipper that I never wanted to see again.

Dickhead: How much you paying that kid (45)?

Me: 18 bux,

D: You said you were paying him in silver before. That was your cost?

Me: Yeah, for two ounces.

D: What's that worth today?

Me: I dunno, If I was going to sell it, I might get $23/oz before shipping and handling and hassle. His cost to buy might be $32-40 in- hand, we're both doing OK.

D: He's gonna have his buddies take you hostage to get the rest.

Me: So what? Then I'll take their guns away from them and kill them.

GodAlmighty, why is everybody so afraid of death now? It would be a great relief to me now, but I'm too much of a coward to do it to myself, not to mention the Creator's thoughts on that.

I'm starting to be a little nonplussed with Odin at this point.

Esso  posted on  2021-04-29   21:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

They're just musicians, chill.

I don't sing, I don't dance, and I don't like people who do.

Esso  posted on  2021-04-29   21:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

America's Worst Accident

No. That prize goes to Abe Lincoln's mother for getting pregnant.

StraitGate  posted on  2021-04-29   22:34:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Hey, I'm in an aviation crisis mode, no dead prez.

FWIW, that little squirt helping you with your air hose, was cute as a button. You da man!

Esso  posted on  2021-04-29   22:43:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

“The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out... without regard to the prevailing superstitions and taboos. Almost inevitably he comes to the conclusion that the government he lives under is dishonest, insane, intolerable.” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2021-04-29   22:54:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Referring to that cutie, I told my daughter -- in jest -- "Cuteness really does skip a generation!"

While we're talking wrecks, ever heard of the Sultana steamboat?

StraitGate  posted on  2021-04-29   23:06:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"Cuteness really does skip a generation!"

Hang around long enough and you'll turn from Tom Cruise in "Days of Thunder" into Sergeant Barnes in "Platoon" like I did.

I never thought that I'd get old, yet I'm still here 10+ years after my expiration date. Here I am, still. You might be surprised if you ever saw me face-to-face, I look younger than guys 10-20 my junior. Don't understand that much, but that may be why no one has ever taken me seriously.

The state of Indiana has known who I am for a long time, but my driver license came due earlier this month. It took three months to get a birth certificate and a SS card reissued, but by God, I'm still me, I think. Unless someone SWATs me again, I should be good to go until the end.

Esso  posted on  2021-04-29   23:42:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Sergeant Barnes in "Platoon"

You're fixin' to post that "we got zips in the wire" video again, aren't you?

StraitGate  posted on  2021-04-29   23:53:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

You're fixin' to post that "we got zips in the wire" video again, aren't you?

You know me to well kiddo, but no...

You're probably sick of this one too, but it's for Pam.

Esso  posted on  2021-04-30   0:03:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Just to make you happy... The "wire" being the District of Columbia, at this point.

Esso  posted on  2021-04-30   0:09:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Here's why you don't want to piss off a Russian (Slav). 18:00 cuts to the chase...

Esso  posted on  2021-04-30   0:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

He was a good Slav.

Esso  posted on  2021-04-30   1:19:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Boeing 747 Followed by a UFO

Esso  posted on  2021-04-30   2:50:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

The US military had some fun spooking a Japanese jet, probing the pilots' perceptions afterward and -- tyrants that they are -- ordering them to forget it. How great that the captain kept his originals.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2021-04-30   4:22:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

In Payton's case, at 39k feet, it's likely all on board were dead before the plane ran out of fuel.

Pinguinite  posted on  2021-05-01   2:21:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Is that the implication here -- the pilot saw passengers but they seemed to be inert? Or am I think if another recent page.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2021-05-01   5:57:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Is that the implication here -- the pilot saw passengers but they seemed to be inert?

We don't have any indication of what happened in the cockpit of Payton's plane as there are no voice recorders and such in lear jets. I watch these airline catastrophes every now and then and don't recall any case like what you describe.

Pinguinite  posted on  2021-05-01   9:27:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Maybe I'm getting the 2 flights mixt up. 7:06 in your video at top = the pilot of the fighter jet takes a closer look at the liner's passenger area, sees passengers but they're showing no reaction to the other aircraft.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2021-05-01   9:54:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

That's the Helios flight, a Greece-based commercial airline flight. Okay, yes the pilot was the F-16 pilot looking into the passenger cabin of the airliner.

Pinguinite  posted on  2021-05-01   10:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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