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Title: Useless Eaters
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Published: Jun 27, 2021
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Post Date: 2021-06-27 07:50:51 by Ada
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Penang, Malaysia, 2019 Last year in South Korea, I went into a fried chicken place and asked for half a bird. Misreading my hand gestures, the lady gave me a full one, but chopped up. It’s standard in South Korea to gorge on an entire chicken, while downing mugs of beer. Their BBQ restaurants also stuff you with meat, usually pork.

Germans, too, can devour frightful quantity of pork at one meal. Served such a sinful portion in Munich, I immediately thought, There’s no way all that is going to fit inside my body.

In Cairo five months ago, I’d sometimes eat dinner with the staff at my budget hotel. Though it was always varied and delicious, there was almost no meat. With flat bread, we scooped potato chunks, mashed fava beans, lentil dip, eggplant in an oily tomato sauce, pickled carrots and turnip, feta cheese spread or falafel, etc. Not bad, since it only cost around $4 to feed three people. All over town, however, there were fast food joints that offered obscene-sized burgers. One named Cheesy Heart Attack had three huge beef patties topped with bacon, slices of cheese and deep-fried mozzarella sticks. A multi-tiered chicken sandwich was dubbed Bazooka. A five-piece chicken meal was called Bomb Attack!

Meat consumption is certainly an affluence index. In Albania, a typical deli sandwich, costing a buck or $1.25, has only a few thin slices of salami or prosciutto, and even the cheese is broken up. Used to heftier Philly hoagies, I’d buy one to go, then supplement it with store-bought meat.

In downscale Tirana eateries with no English menus, you can get spaghetti with butter for around $1.70, or a plate of pilaf with a meat-flavored broth for just $1.30. Either can be consumed whenever, including for breakfast, and your glass of water is free.

I’m giving you these examples to show that eating habits vary very widely, with each considered normal, for its time and place. In Saigon, even a piss-poor banh mi is supposed to have pate, ham, cucumber, carrot, cilantro and mayonnaise, but in a mountainous village near the Chinese border, I ran into a guy bicycling around to hawk six sweetened rolls for 22 cents, for that’s all the market would bear, near the end of a winding, unpaved road, among the clouds, with fairies, angels and maybe even God, just around the next bend. Like a dumbshit, I asked him, “What else do you have?”

We’re not just ignorant of what others eat, but what we had to swallow not even that long ago, and that’s why Orwell is, again, so magnificent. Big-hearted, he paid the closest attention to the most banal, yet most insistent, of our problems. That of feeding ourselves.

In The Road to Wigan Pier (1937), Orwell reproduces the food budget of a poor man, as printed in contemporary newspapers. His diet consists of just bread, margarine, dripping, cheese, onions, carrots, broken biscuits, dates, evaporated milk and oranges.

Orwell, “Please notice that this budget contains nothing for fuel. In fact, the writer explicitly stated that he could not afford to buy fuel and ate all his food raw. Whether the letter was genuine or a hoax does not matter at the moment. What I think will be admitted is that this list represents about as wise an expenditure as could be contrived; if you had to live on three and elevenpence halfpenny a week, you could hardly extract more food-value from it than that.”

Though in serious decline, the British Empire was still one of the most powerful, yet millions of Englishmen were literally disfigured by their poverty.

Orwell, “The most obvious sign of under-nourishment is the badness of everybody’s teeth. In Lancashire you would have to look for a long time before you saw a working-class person with good natural teeth. Indeed, you see very few people with natural teeth at all, apart from the children; and even the children’s teeth have a frail bluish appearance which means, I suppose, calcium deficiency. Several dentists have told me that in industrial districts a person over thirty with any of his or her own teeth is coming to be an abnormality.”

(In movies about England during this period, you don’t see any toothless smile, do you? That’s just Hollywood, obviously, so keep that in mind when you watch a film about any country. From its biggest claim to the smallest detail, Hollywood nearly always lies. You’d think everyone already knows that, but recently, an imbecilic reader used a Hollywood film to badger me about the Vietnam War. As Ron Unz sadly points out, Americans get most of their history from Hollywood. Talk about Jew-screwed! Shoah proves the Holocaust. Roots is a documentary about slavery. Three sistas took America to the moon, even if it never got there. It must be true because I saw it on a screen! No wonder the country is being flushed down a Third World shit hole.)

Orwell, “In one house where I stayed there were, apart from myself, five people, the oldest being forty-three and the youngest a boy of fifteen. Of these the boy was the only one who possessed a single tooth of his own, and his teeth were obviously not going to last long.”

After depicting working class life so grimly, Orwell paints an idyllic scene of a comparatively prosperous blue-collar home. On a winter evening after tea, “when the fire glows in the open range and dances mirrored in the steel fender, when Father, in shirt-sleeves, sits in the rocking chair at one side of the fire reading the racing finals, and Mother sits on the other with her sewing, and the children are happy with a pennorth of mint humbugs, and the dog lolls roasting himself on the rag mat.”

It’s where “you breathe a warm, decent, deeply human atmosphere which it is not so easy to find elsewhere. I should say that a manual worker, if he is in steady work and drawing good wages—an if which gets bigger and bigger—has a better chance of being happy than an ‘educated’ man. His home life seems to fall more naturally into a sane and comely shape. I have often been struck by the peculiar easy completeness, the perfect symmetry as it were, of a working-class interior at its best.”

This assertion that a laborer is more likely to be content than an intellectual was likely derived from Orwell’s socialist orientation at the time. Still, no society can be deemed healthy if its working man’s lot isn’t at least tolerable. In the US, it’s already impossible, and will only get worse.

Most men need to employ their muscles, and not just to kill. Education isn’t for everybody. Orwell, “The time was when I used to lament over quite imaginary pictures of lads of fourteen dragged protesting from their lessons and set to work at dismal jobs. It seemed to me dreadful that the doom of a ‘job’ should descend upon anyone at fourteen. Of course I know now that there is not one working-class boy in a thousand who does not pine for the day when he will leave school. He wants to be doing real work, not wasting his time on ridiculous rubbish like history and geography. To the working class, the notion of staying at school till you are nearly grown-up seems merely contemptible and unmanly. The idea of a great big boy of eighteen, who ought to be bringing a pound a week home to his parents, going to school in a ridiculous uniform and even being caned for not doing his lessons! Just fancy a working-class boy of eighteen allowing himself to be caned! He is a man when the other is still a baby.”

Men have gone from hunters to farmers, to factory workers, and they’re also counted on to build, repair, police and defend society. With the rise of the machine, however, they are increasingly pushed into feminine jobs, or simply become redundant.

Automation and artificial intelligence accelerate this radical transformation. Soon enough, apparently, men won’t even be needed to drive trucks or taxis, and war, too, can be fought mostly by drones, robots and computer geeks, at a distance. The disappearance of many jobs will also affect women, of course, so who will be left to bring home the bacon?

Admired by Bill Gates, Angela Merkel and Mark Zuckerberg, Yuval Noah Hariri is one of today’s most celebrated public intellectuals. Of this rising “useless class,” his term, Hariri comments, “The most important question in twenty-first-century economics may well be what to do with all the superfluous people. What will conscious humans do, once we have highly intelligent non-conscious algorithms that can do almost everything better?”

And, “In the twenty-first century we might witness the creation of a massive new unworking class: people devoid of any economic, political or even artistic value, who contribute nothing to the prosperity, power and glory of society. This ‘useless class’ will not merely be unemployed—it will be unemployable.”

To Hariri, humans don’t have inner selves, much less souls. Totally deluded and mostly incompetent, we’ll be obsolete computers soon enough. Already smarter than us, machines will also be more artistic and soulful. To a fawning, laughing audience, Hariri declares, “I don’t think life has any meaning.”

Hard and clean, metal symbolizes immortality, so even a coin is impressive enough, much less a complex machine. Though moving so precisely, it doesn’t sweat, slurp loudly or defecate, so, of course, billions of mortals can’t help but worship cars, motorbikes or just watches. Now that machines can even think, we should just slink away.

You can be sure, though, the elite will continue to see themselves as having economic, political or artistic value, even if they or their offspring are as degenerate as, say, Hunter Biden, or even worse. Though perverts and criminals, they decide what’s good, true and feasible.

Useless eaters can only survive on welfare, but if they’re kept breathing, they’ll only breed recklessly, since they have nothing to do but screw all day. Surely you don’t think they’ll compose novels or symphonies? Of course, they’ll rap, but who wants to listen? This endless cloacal stream of useless eaters will rape this already ravaged planet to death. Even now, we can hear Mother Nature screaming. Why tolerate this disaster?

The elite like to toy with us useless eaters. On March 28th, 2019, there was a masked contestant on Project Runway named Kovid Kapoor. Maybe it’s just a coincidence.

Another cute mind diddle is the Netflix series, Utopia. Finished filming by October 19, 2019, so before Covid, it was released on September 25, 2020. Conning the world into believing there’s a deadly virus, a vaccine is then released to stop human procreation.

The evil architect of all this is Kevin Christie, as played by John Cusack. In one scene, Christie lays out his rationale:

How much evil do you have to do, to do good?

[…]

We now have exactly what we want. Hundreds of millions of Americans lining up, offering us their arms and letting us give them our creation.

[…]

What we’re doing is far greater than death.

Tell me this, what have you done today to earn your place in this crowded world. Exactly! Everything I do is a cure for our current situation.

[…]

That’s the amazing epiphany we had. We didn’t have to kill to accomplish our goal.

We intend to stop human reproduction for three generations. The busy, endless, global assembly line of babies will grind to a halt.

[…]

In the first five years, we’ll see major birth rate declines, as teenagers vaccinated today hit their childbearing years.

[Civilization] is a very nice euphemism for a species that has replicated like a contagion across the planet, killing all other species in its wake. Except things that are cute, like puppies or koalas. Never in history has there been a creature begging for extinction more than the fucking panda, except us.

[…]

A hundred years ago, the global population was 1.7 billion. In 2011, it reached 7 billion. People live too long, die less often, fuck too much and shit out babies.

Global warming, mass extinctions, food and water shortages. All these problems can be boiled down to one thing: Overpopulation.

At 1.7 billion, we can be as decadent, self-indulgent and shitty as we want. At ten billion, we have to live strategically. We have to live modestly. We have to live selflessly. And, as you know, we’re not that good at it.

For decades, we’ve been shamed for just being alive, since our existence, with its out-of-control carbon footprint and everests of plastic trash, wrecks this planet. Draining precious resources, babies are not blessings but curses, spawned by the mindless.

Since eating beef increases global warming, we must switch to vegan burgers, or better yet, learn to appreciate deep fried tarantulas, ant larvae tacos and stink bug risotto. Even eating shit is possible, scientists tell us. Still, glaciers disappear, icebergs melt and oceans rise, because we can’t stop driving or farting, not to mention flying everywhere for no good reason. Where should I go next?

To thwart human life is utopia, then, to the elite, so we need to be culled, for sure. War will also depopulate, and with increased demand for just about everything, there’s also lots of money to be made. Borrowed cash will fatten banks.

Rid of unsightly useless eaters, the elite will have more space and nicer views. The prettiest among us will be retained to pleasure them, for isn’t that what life is all about?

With their minds uploaded onto computers, their cells rejuvenated and their defective organs not just replaced, but fantastically upgraded, they’ll live forever as gods.

We won’t even get to become devos, just forgotten history.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2021-06-27   11:01:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: ghostdogtxn (#1)

A hundred years ago, the global population was 1.7 billion. In 2011, it reached 7 billion. People live too long, die less often, fuck too much and shit out babies

Brilliant?

Re-read the above.

Ayn Rand about a hundred years ago said, "Most humans born are but mere lice, WITH BARELY A RIGHT TO LIFE".

She died in NYC, alone, living on social security, provided by the lice.

Cynicom  posted on  2021-06-27   13:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ada (#0)

One of his finest works, thank you for this exceptional essay.

“ On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. ” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2021-06-27   14:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#2)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2021-06-28   7:29:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#2)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2021-06-28   7:39:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: ghostdogtxn (#5)

spreading lefty lies is no good for anyone.

No doubt about that. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2021-06-28   8:05:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: ghostdogtxn (#5)

but spreading lefty lies is no good for anyone

Lies???

Check the records, I did. Lefty lies? Goods heavens.

Rand died, TAKING SOCIAL SECURITY PROVIDED BY THE ""LICE"" that she so hated. In fact, von Mises congratulated her for having the courage to say what the worlds "}intellectual elite" accepted as fact.

Lefty lies??? Good heavens.

Cynicom  posted on  2021-06-28   8:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: ghostdogtxn, Cynicom, 4um (#5)

good information from rand's care-giver

www.openculture.com/2016/...al-security-medicare.html

“ On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. ” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2021-06-28   9:46:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Ada (#0)

Still, glaciers disappear, icebergs melt and oceans rise, because we can’t stop driving or farting, not to mention flying everywhere for no good reason. Where should I go next?

Linh Dinh, I see, cannot help but find himself sniffing Greta Thunberg's hind parts.

The pessimism of globalist cuckery is become quite an art form.

The author does seem to be right about the WWII Brits though. I have it on good authority that German prisoners, despite privations, came off the battlefield pretty hale and hearty. Their British captors, on the other hand, were a pretty ragged, malnourish lot.

You can put any construction on that as you like.

randge  posted on  2021-06-28   9:51:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Lod, Ghostdogtxn, BtpHoldings (#8)

she found herself in straitened circumstances.

Two years later, she was paired with social worker Evva Pryor, who gave an interview in 1998 about their relationship. “Rarely have I respected someone as much as I did Ayn Rand,” said Pryor. When asked about their philosophical disagreements, she replied, “My background was social work. That should tell you all you need to know about our differences.” Pryor was tasked with persuading Rand to accept Social Security and Medicare to help with mounting medical expenses.

Good heavens, who would have believed such.

Rand hated the common man. She was nothing but a snake oil salesman proving there are suckers out there.

I know who PAID the social worker?

Cynicom  posted on  2021-06-28   10:38:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom, 4um (#10)

looking for information on rand and blacks, i found this bio/background article

nymag.com/arts/books/features/60120/

“ On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. ” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2021-06-28   12:08:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Lod, GhostdogTxn (#11)

looking for information on rand and blacks, i found this bio/background article

Thanks for item.

It is difficult to believe that people today have not seen Rand as a fraudulent wordsmith, nothing more.

Rand sold NOTHING, just a snake oil salesman with NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE.

Rand had one abiding faith, NEARLY ALL HUMANS BORN ARE BUT MERE LICE WITH BARELY A RIGHT TO LIFE.

Beware the philosopher that """HATES FOR A LIVING""".

Rand and Barnum agreed on one thing, there is a sucker born every minute.

Cynicom  posted on  2021-06-28   14:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#12)

MERE LICE

Germany asked the U.S. to sell them DDT to kill the lice in the camps that carried Typhus. The U.S. refused so Germany did the best they could with what they had. Even Anne frank died of Typhus.

I had a Sudeten-German foreman on Illinois State Highways. When Germany annexed the Sudetenland he volunteered for the Waffen SS. His father protested to his camp commander that he was being treated too harshly in boot camp. He was arrested as a dissenter and sent to the camps in Germany. Last I heard old Kraus still had not found a trace of him.

He was captured by the Russians and riding on a prison wagon with a female guard.

She fell asleep and dropped her rifle. He jumped off the wagon, retrieved the rifle and awakened her. She gave him a big kiss and told him, "If I had lost my rifle they would have killed me."

He was one of the few to be repatriated. Most died in the Gulag as late as 1952.

He told us once that they did not have pot holes in the old country because they used cobblestones to pave roads in town.

One day he was calling on the radio for more asphalt. I grabbed the mic and said, "Ya, in ze old country ve had za cobblestones."

The guy that was in the crew cab with him told me when that came over the air Kraus said, "Dammit!" ROTFLMAO!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2021-06-28   16:14:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#12)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2021-06-30   23:50:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: ghostdogtxn (#14)

I read Atlas Shrugged, and didn’t get that impression at all.

On internet is Johnny Carson olde time segment with Rand years ago.

It is perfect example of Rand speaking at great lengths and saying nothing. Carson is sitting there enthralled by "words" that he has not a clue of their meaning nor her intent.

Von Mises congratulated Rand not for some monumental thought provoking new idea, rather for very common language description of the "common" man.

Rand conned many as a wordsmith, nothing else.

We were and are the lice she so hated.

Cynicom  posted on  2021-07-01   5:27:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: ghostdogtxn (#14)

I recall William F. Buckley of long ago saying this...

" William F. Buckley, the founder of American conservatism, dismissed Rand as a dangerous crank with a second-rate intellect. More to the point, Charles Colson, founder of the Prison Fellowship ministry, begged his co-religionists to abandon their love affair with their anti-Christian guru."

Cynicom  posted on  2021-07-01   5:54:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Cynicom (#16)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

"Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." -- Thomas Jefferson

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2021-07-01   7:01:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: ghostdogtxn (#17)

So, if she had a second rate intellect, who do you think actually wrote Atlas Shrugged? Because it’s first class writing.

Hitler wrote a book called Mein Kampf that was a best seller, translated into many languages world wide. Hitler like Rand was a wordsmith and an orator that could hold people spellbound.

Rand and Hitler hated Christianity, both being very open about it in public. Any research on both will show most likely both were mentally ill.

Rand said humans were lice, no right to life, Hitler said his people deserved to die if they did not fight to win.

Read "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William L. Shirer.

Rand was Jew, Hitler thought he perhaps was Jew. Both same era, both were haters and both were mentally derangged but had millions of followers.

Cynicom  posted on  2021-07-01   9:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom (#18)

I have read many a long book: Tolstoy, Twain, Nietzsche, Dostoevsky, Plato, the Bible on and on, but two that I could just not get down were that famous Rand book and Mein Kampf.

Of the former I will agree that Rand could not resist writing, in the words of one critic, "500 words where 50 would do." The latter book so suffered from an excess of cant and ideology as to be just unreadable.

Shirer's "Rise and Fall" is an interesting case. The book is well structured from a conventional point of view and I am pretty well familiar with the slice of history he treats of in this book. I have a good idea of the kind of people that Hitler's folks were too. The book documents how the National Socialists came to power and many of the things that did once they achieved ascendency.

Early on they began an elimination of the chronically mentally and physically ill in German hospitals. That is pretty well dcoumented. Of their persecution of the Jews we suffer from no lack of print and video information of all kinds. I know first hand about those days from a German family who hid Jews in their house during WWII. One of these family members still lives and a woman who was a small girl hidden there at that time (whom I met) is still alive also I believe.

So I'm more than mildly acquainted with the crap that people lived through, and no one can deny the horror of having experienced it. What we regard as civil/human/natural rights were widely subordinated to a program of communitarian social organization. There's a mountain of things there that just go against the grain. That's why it annoys me that guys like Shirer - who put a lot of (not unbiased) effort and journalistic skill into documenting the rise and fall of Hitler and his party - get crucial details about the destruction of Jewish society in Central Europe so wrong. He embellishes and exaggerates where he has no need to.

Shirer's book is not in print now as far as I know. He based many of his historical assertions on documents that are not now considered to be credible (the 'Hossbach Protocol" and the Rauschning memoirs for example). The author also insisted on inflating his account of the New Order with discredited stories of the production of Jewish soap and the tale of Frau Ilse Koch's lampshades. No artefacts exist in supoort of these stories as far as I have been able to ascertain. The way Shirer describes the use of cyanide salts as a lethal agent is similarly preposterous.

It is little wonder that the "Rise and Fall" is out of print these days. I read it when I was a gullible 12-year-old, but I wouldn't put a lot of stock in it today as a work of history. It did prove that you could sell a bunch of books by slapping a swastika on the cover. It also did a lot to underpin the claims of those whose chief concern was over propagating numbers.

randge  posted on  2021-07-01   14:41:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: randge (#19)

Having had a friend and guide that lived that era in Germany I have a sound basis about fact and fiction. All authors are natural born "embellishers" in an effort to carry their point.

Rand and Hitler were cut from the same whole cloth. Both hated and despised Christianity . Hitler wanted the Vatican totally destroyed, his Generals refused.

Rand made no secret of her hatred for Christians and their God. Difficult to understand why many people read a book and accept their view of life based on the words of others that spew so much hate.

Hitler said Germans were not worthy of him, Rand said most humans were mere lice, with barely a right to life.

Both wrote best selling books, both were mentally deranged with millions of followers and believers.

Both of same era, both haters of mankind, neither ever did anything to better the world.

Cynicom  posted on  2021-07-01   18:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: ghostdogtxn (#17)

Buckley believed that he alone had a first rate intellect, and that of everybody else was second rate.

StraitGate  posted on  2021-07-01   21:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Cynicom (#20)

An interesting and apt parallel, Cyni.

randge  posted on  2021-07-01   22:36:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: StraitGate, Ghostdogtxn (#21)

Buckley believed that he alone had a first rate intellect, and that of everybody else was second rate.

Buckley was a pompous ass that said he had a mental capacity of a quarter of a million words.

To his credit, he never spewed hatred for any segment of mankind.

Self appointed philosophers ALL agree on one thing, THEIR VIEW OF LIFE IS THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT.

In the language of the "common man", philosophers are bullshit artists.

Cynicom  posted on  2021-07-02   2:28:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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