POLLS SHOW STRONG SUPPORT FOR SECESSION – BOTH RED AND BLUE STATES
Rusty Weiss | December 17, 2021
Recent polls in the United States show significant support for states to secede from the union – along both red and blue lines.
Max Hastings, in an op-ed column for Bloomberg News, wonders, “How can the word ‘secession’ have made it even as far as the margins of political debate?”
Especially, he writes, when “half the developing world is struggling to get to the U.S.”
And yet, polls suggest that the chatter remains consistent, on both sides of the aisle.
And it isn’t simply among the far right or far left of the political parties.
“A lot of extremists support their states seceding from the Union,” a tweet from Bloomberg reads. “Shockingly, so do a lot of non- extremists.”
Poll: Red And Blue Open To Secession
One of the polls cited by Hastings is a collaborative effort by the UVA Center for Politics and Project Home Fire just this past September.
That survey indicates a majority of Trump voters think the political divide in America is so great that they’d support a move by blue states to secede from the union.
The poll indicates 52 percent of Trump voters lean towards secession as a solution to the political differences currently gripping the country.
Hastings notes that “41% of Joe Biden voters adopt the same stance about blue states.”
Irreconcilable Differences?
The Bloomberg piece notes that there is a chasm separating the Republican and Democrat parties and their definition of truth.
“[The Republican party’s] definition of truth seems something entirely different from that of Democrats, perhaps irreconcilably so,” Hastings writes.
On the contrary, the definition of truth is the truth. Facts. One party consistently lies to the extreme while the other … well, to a lesser degree.
And who wants to live amongst the lies any longer?
Hastings goes on to provide the mandatory fretting over possible secession being the fault of … you guessed it – Donald Trump.
“Some Canadian friends, serious people who are not in the least sensationalist-minded, told me this week that they are getting sincerely nervous about possibilities that beckon if Donald Trump or a Trump clone becomes president in 2024,” he writes.
“They ask: ‘Could violence erupt, and secession become a serious issue?’”
The late, great conservative radio icon, Rush Limbaugh, just two months before his death, warned that America appeared to be heading down a path where secession would become more popular.
Limbaugh, a Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient and legend in broadcasting, observed that the nation is “trending toward secession” during a December broadcast.
“I see more and more people asking what in the world do we have in common with the people who live in, say, New York?” he explained.
Limbaugh added that he had heard grumblings from others who believe “there cannot be a peaceful coexistence of two completely different theories of life, theories of government, theories of how we manage our affairs.”
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One thing they do not realize is since the Act of 1871 was passed and the USG was turned into a Corporation, the States are not allowed to secede since the several states are all subdivisions of the corporation. This was the exact reason for the formation of the corporate UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
since the Act of 1871 was passed and the USG was turned into a Corporation, the States are not allowed to secede since the several states are all subdivisions of the corporation.
They weren't allowed to secede in 1861 either, so apparently the act of 1871 was rather superfluous.
I've taken to viewing legalities with pragmatic glasses. What the laws say does not matter. It's what one can get away with, or can't get away with, that matters. If there is enough political, economic and military power for a state or several states to successfully secede, then it's legal, no matter what the US constitution, the USSC or the US president say to the contrary.
To illustrate that point, I'll point out that the Declaration of Independence was also completely illegal at the time it was signed.
the Declaration of Independence was also completely illegal at the time it was signed.
The Act of 1871 also changed the wording of the Organic Constitution when it formed the corporate UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
Indeed, if any of the signers of the Declaration were caught they would have been hung as traitors.
When John Hancock was asked why he signed in such large hand writing he replied, "So they could read it."
Right now there is also a movement afoot for a few more counties in northwest Virginia to secede and join West Virginia. We shall see what happens now with the new Governor Youngkin, a novice politician. ;)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
Right now there is also a movement afoot for a few more counties in northwest Virginia to secede and join West Virginia. We shall see what happens now with the new Governor Youngkin, a novice politician.
If Youngkin were to support that secession, it would mean his reelection would be very much in doubt as those counties are likely strong Republican/Conservative counties, meaning a loss of voting support. Rationally, he would only support losing that voting base if he felt the rest of the state was a lost cause. Be a lot like abandoning ship and letting the good people of those counties get on life boats to sail to another ship.
I'd say that's highly unlikely. If Youngkin wants to save VA from leftism, he needs those counties to stay in VA.
I have lived most of my life in South Carolina, the very Seat of Secession. And sadly, I can tell you that fewer than 2% of the people here would support secession from the USSA. And probably no more than 1 or 2 of her 170 legislators.
Because, you see, to support secession would be racist. And most men -- before being called a racist -- would see their wives and daughters raped and their children's future utterly ruined.
Yeah, SC has pretty much shot its "secession" wad, hasn't it?
But Texas hasn't and was also unique in having once been an independent country before admission / annexation to the onion. But the biggest obstacle to secession is the US national debt, and more indirectly, the US dollar. If states secede, will they accept their share of the current US debt as an obligation, or would they refuse and tell DC that they need to carry that burden, but without any more tax revenue from departing states?
And what would happen to the perceived stability of the US dollar when the world sees the USSA start to break up? Knowing the consequences of that, the deep state would never tolerate any states leaving.
Reminds me of about 20 years ago when Quebec voted to secede from Canada. It failed the popular vote by a very slim margin, and even back then I was like "they rigged the vote". If they stole 2020, they'd do the same with any secession.
Regarding Texas' claim to be the only state that was formerly an independent country: At the Treaty of Paris (1783) at the end of the Revolutionary War, the original thirteen colonies were recognized as "free sovereign and Independent States". I take that to mean each of them individually so, as the Treaty individually lists them:
Article 1st: His Brittanic Majesty acknowledges the said United States, viz., New Hampshire, Massachusetts Bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to be free sovereign and Independent States; that he treats with them as such, and for himself his Heirs & Successors, relinquishes all claims to the Government, Propriety, and Territorial Rights of the same and every Part thereof..
And later, when the Articles of Confederation were overthrown, the new US constitution was established only after nine ratified it, and then it applied to only those that did ratify it:
The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same. -- Article VII
Sure seems that each of the states was free and independent, no?
I've long wondered what the newly formed central government would have done to Virginia, New York, North Carolina, or Rhode Island if one or more of those states had refused to ratify the new constitution and accede to the new order?
Interestingly, as far as I know, the states that were less enthusiastic about establishing a new government didn't threaten to bring fire and sword to the states that wished to do so.
Edit: NN just reminded me that today is Secession Day here in South Carolina. First state to secede -- on December 20, 1860.