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Title: AP reports 'gay brain' study incorrectly
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URL Source: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50136
Published: May 10, 2006
Author: Robert Knight
Post Date: 2006-05-10 07:21:31 by A K A Stone
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A new and widely reported Swedish study that suggests that lesbians respond differently from heterosexual women when exposed to sex hormones has been seriously misinterpreted, one of the researchers says. The Associated Press story noted that a similar study was done last year on men, and that with the new female study, "the findings add weight to the idea that homosexuality has a physical basis and is not learned behavior." In response to an e-mail inquiry from Grove City College Professor of Psychology Dr. Warren Throckmortion, researcher Dr. Ivanka Savic of the Stockholm Brain Institute said of the AP interpretation of her work, "This is incorrect and not stated in the paper." The study was published in the May 9, 2006, edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, although the link to the piece was not available at the academy's website as of yesterday. The AP report was carried widely in major newspapers and on television and radio. Most reports cited the study as more "evidence" for a genetic or biological cause for homosexuality without noting that no credible study suggesting direct biological causes has ever been replicated and that many have been refuted. The Swedish study merely found that lesbians respond differently, not that their brains were hardwired that way before any sexual activity. Recent brain research also shows that brain patterns may emerge in response to certain activities. "It's reasonable to believe that prior sexual behavior would predict future sexual responses," Throckmorton said. Here is Monday's posting on Dr. Throckmorton's blogsite. In italics is the e-mail he sent to Dr. Ivanka Savic about the study of lesbians' response to putative pheromones. Her responses to each of his queries follows in capital block letters: Dr. Savic: The Associated Press story came out today about your study and I think they have reported it incorrectly. First I am wondering if you can help me understand things more clearly. I am enclosing a link to the AP report: http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/feeds/ap/2006/05/08/ap2729698.html First, in the report the reporter writes: "It's a finding that adds weight to the idea that homosexuality has a physical underpinning and is not learned behavior." THIS IS INCORRECT AND NOT STATED IN THE PAPER As I understand your article in PNAS, you specifically offer learning as a hypothesis for your findings. Isn't this true? I believe the reporter is misleading on that point. THIS IS VERY UNFORTUNATE; AND YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT Second, the AP report says: "In lesbians, both male and female hormones were processed the same, in the basic odor processing circuits, Savic and her team reported." I understand that the study did show that AND (male condition) was processed akin to other odors by lesbians. But wasn't there also some hypothalamic processing of EST (female condition) by lesbians? YES! AND ALSO CONJUNCTIONAL ANALYSIS SHOWED A COMMON HYPOTHALAMIC CLUSTER IN THE HYPOTHALAMUS It was weaker and apparently not in the anterior hypothalamus but didn't you also find dorsomedial and paraventricular hypothalamic activation? So it would be inaccurate, would it not, to say "both male and female hormones were processed the same?" YOU ARE FULLY CORRECT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HOW DO I ACCESS THE AP REPORT?? Dr. Throckmorton told Concerned Women for America's Culture & Family Institute yesterday that he had just sent the correspondence to Associated Press yesterday morning and was in dialogue with a reporter about it. A common flaw in interpreting "gay gene" studies is the supposition that supposed differences in the brain are genetic in origin rather than the result of behavioral change. Dr. Savic "did not want to create the impression that the study proves sexual response is not learned. In fact, [the Swedish research team] seems pretty open to plausible interpretations. However, at present, from this study, nothing definitive can be concluded," Throckmorton said. The trend in research suggesting the idea that homosexuality is inborn began in 1991, with the publication in the journal Science about differences in the hypothalamus portion of the brain. Authored by Salk Research Institute's Dr. Simon LeVay, it became a media sensation. LeVay evaluated the brains from the corpses of 35 men – 19 homosexuals and 16 alleged heterosexuals – and found that a set of nodules in the hypothalamus was generally larger in the "straight" men than in the homosexual men. However, LeVay noted many exceptions to the finding, and later admitted that he had no way of determining the "sexual orientation" of the heterosexual sample, six of whom were white men from the San Francisco Bay area who had died of AIDS-related causes. He said he designated the "heterosexual" sample as such because most people are straight. He also issued this warning after the media declared his study as proof that people are born "gay": It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain ... Since I looked at adult brains, we don't know if the differences I found were there at birth, or if they appeared later. Similarly, all the subjects in the Swedish study were sexually experienced, Throckmorton noted. So any differences could have developed as a result of exposure to certain behaviors rather than constitute evidence of cause.
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#1. To: All, rack42, christine, diana, trace21321, diomedes, zipporah (#0)
Told ya so. Fags are NOT born that way. It is a CHOICE. It is a sin. Contrary to what all the homo appolagists would have us believe.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
THIS IS INCORRECT AND NOT STATED IN THE PAPER Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
for who says that 'gay' lifestyle is genetic and not learned - if you assume that it is genetic, then you would assume that people who have developed a fetish where they get extreme sexual pleasure from being wrapped in plastic tightly are this way for genetic reasons. You'd assume that serial killers who get a sick sexual thrill out of killing people do so because of genetic reasons (they're born that way). You'd assume that people who have foot fetishes inherited that trait. and I guess pedophiles are the way they are for genetic reasons as well. the whole idea that these things are genetic is a crock. It is a learned behavior. people need to be guided into normal monogamous man-woman relationships for the good of society and for the good of the individuals both. When people are taught to pursue sexual activities that are outside of this pattern which is favored by our creator, then the people deteriorate. and some develop imaginings in their brains that allow them to be sexually fulfilled. and these imaginings are self-reinforcing, and over time they can develop these types of fetishes of which I speak, where extreme desires develop that are essentially perverted from what our creator intended.
Yep
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
and you know what, the people who disagree with me strongly and discourage this type of view I speak are actually creating an environment in which many many people will be unhappy. There are many unhappy people in our society. Many of those unhappy people are not 'gay', but at the same time many 'gay' people are in reality unhappy.
Yeah, and I always had the potential to be an NBA star or another Tiger Woods. All it it would take is a little practice. Ha! Richard W.
Richard W. The science is on the side of learned behavior. Get over it and repent for your deeds.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Remember the question I asked on the other thread? Does the behavior cause the change or vice versa.. the behavior causes the response so it seems.
"The thing worse than rebellion is the thing that causes rebellion." Frederick Douglass
Sure it is. LOL Richard W.
I remembered. I also share that view.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Richard W lol.....I don't believe you.....lol....poor fellow
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Very well said, Red.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
Visit your local dictionary. A skill is not equivalent to a sexual behavioral choice. 20 bozo points in one post. That just earned you spot #4 on my bozo list. A new and widely reported Swedish study that suggests that lesbians respond differently from heterosexual women when exposed to sex hormones has been seriously misinterpreted, one of the researchers says.
#2. To: All, yertle turtle, all the stupid faggots (#0)
First, in the report the reporter writes: "It's a finding that adds weight to the idea that homosexuality has a physical underpinning and is not learned behavior."
#3. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#4. To: Red Jones (#3)
perverted from what our creator intended.
#5. To: A K A Stone (#4)
#6. To: Red Jones (#3)
It is a learned behavior
#7. To: Arete (#6)
Yeah, and I always had the potential to be an NBA star or another Tiger Woods. All it it would take is a little practice. Ha!
#8. To: A K A Stone (#0)
#9. To: A K A Stone (#7)
The science is on the side of learned behavior
#10. To: Zipporah (#8)
Remember the question I asked on the other thread? Does the behavior cause the change or vice versa.. the behavior causes the response so it seems.
#11. To: Arete (#9)
Sure it is. LOL
#12. To: Red Jones (#3)
#13. To: Arete, ALL (#6)
Yeah, and I always had the potential to be an NBA star or another Tiger Woods. All it it would take is a little practice. Ha!
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