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Title: Untold Story of the Montana Freemen
Source: [None]
URL Source: https://americanfreepress.net/remembering-the-real-montana-freemen/
Published: Oct 7, 2011
Author: Pat Shannan
Post Date: 2021-12-31 09:37:36 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: None
Views: 1954
Comments: 47

Untold Story of the Montana Freemen

October 7, 2011

By Pat Shannan

With the passing of Leroy Schweitzer last month in Colorado’s super- max federal prison in Florence, questions loom as his family awaits the results of a private autopsy. Over halfway through a 22-year sentence, Schweitzer had been a model prisoner and had never harmed anyone to be put there in the first place. Why was he still under lockdown 24 hours a day, seven days a week, next to such notorious killers as mob hit men and alleged “Unabomber” Ted Kaczynski?

Memories are stirred when looking back on these events. The few of us privy to the Freemen’s side of the story, compared to the millions deluded by media propaganda, knew that Attorney General Janet Reno had unfairly targeted these people. More importantly, we knew why.

Nothing like the disparaging media portrayal of “armed and dangerous,” the Montana Freemen were businessmen and ranchers, some even millionaires and one the mayor of Cascade. They embodied true Americanism by demanding government adherence to constitutional law and had little patience with the large majority of Americans that willingly endure the inconveniences of government interference in their lives. The ensuing 81-day siege at the 960-acre Clark Ranch in central Montana was provoked by an unwarranted sneak attack by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and not a frontal assault by these law-abiding citizens who had never swung a punch or been accused of shooting anyone.

Following years of in-depth legal research, Schweitzer and Dan Petersen, both referred to as “leaders” (mistakenly, because the Freemen were never an organized group), began to educate others locally. Soon, however, many students came, from several states. Their legal instruction included the fraud committed against American citizens by the Federal Reserve System, and more importantly, how to counter it.

But the Freemen went beyond merely pointing out this evil. In their anger, they engaged in the same practice of creating funds in an effort to call attention to the crimes of the Fed and, perhaps, bring it down.

They did this by suing federal judges and others while securing what they believed to be “perfected liens” that they converted into certified bank drafts, which were then used to pay off government debt, mainly farm foreclosures and Internal Revenue Service liens.

Feeling the heat, the FBI attacked on March 25, 1996. Agents and their paid informant lured Schweitzer and Petersen into a phony copy machine purchase, then stun-gunned and beat them into submission. Twenty-two other men and women went into seclusion at the Clark Ranch outside of Jordan in central Montana. It was then the media propaganda blitz began, driving the Freeman to fear being jailed or killed. On June 13, 1996 they finally agreed to walk out of the ranch into awaiting handcuffs, lengthy court hearings and jail. Only Petersen and Russ Landers remain incarcerated to this day.

In 1996, during this writer’s first visit to Jordan, Montana, the Freemen showed the evidence of 38 instances where Schweitzer had signed drafts, drawn from funds created from unchallenged summary judgments, and not only paid off liens but received in many cases five-figure government refunds for overpayment. The bank drafts were obviously “money,” at least as legitimate as the thin air creations by the Fed.

That’s why the federal government considered these men dangerous—not because they might have owned guns and not because they were a physical threat to anyone. It was the Freemen’s knowledge—and their passing it on to others—that created the Fed’s fear of exposure of its fraudulent system.

Considering the current outrage at the inflation caused by the Fed’s creation of trillions of dollars of credit money for the ultra- wealthy, it is fair to assume that the Freemen may have arrived on the scene just a little too early.


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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

I left Just Us, Montana just a couple of weeks before the Freemen were surrounded and taken prisoner. I still possess some of the warrants issued by them to those that attended their seminars.

LeRoy Schweitzer and Dan Petersen were teaching folks how laws had been changed without utilizing the process but instead would take place simply by modifying the law books.

They were good men awakened to the absolute fraud of the FED and the UNITED STATES CORPORATION. I remember calling the Freemen and speaking with LeRoy. He asked me if I knew what a tithe was. I said it was what people give to the church. He said something like "no, it has to do with how we set order among ourselves." I didn't get it but he set a date for myself and a friend to attend classes just outside of Jordan, Montana, a place that didn't look like it had changed much in 100 years. It was a pretty long drive to Jordan, Montana, from San Diego, California, but we did it because we wanted to know why the country was so far removed from what it was intended to be. It was a very interesting trip through the real America as opposed to California Dreaming, and seeing the beauty of the country that God blessed us with 1st hand was truly a blessing. My buddy, John Henry, passed away a few years ago but I'll never forget that trip, the Freemen or my friend.

LeRoy made it clear to me at that time that "there ain't no fuckin money, it's all credit" ! It's my understanding that the FEDS murdered LeRoy by giving him shock treatments. One of LeRoy's classmates described him as the smartest kid in their school on a national news program and I'd agree that he was a very intelligent and likeable man.

In closing this post I'd like to add that the Freemen passed some of those warrants with success at the Post Office, and a man with an IRS lien satisfied it with a warrant. The Freemen taught the classes to pay twice what was expected and this man gave the IRS a Warrant for $28,000 and they returned a treasury check to him for $14,000. Why wouldn't they believe the Warrants were valid ?

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. "

noone222  posted on  2021-12-31   19:54:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: noone222 (#1)

Thanks.

“ On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. ” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2021-12-31   21:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Don't step on my blue suede shoes.

Great article -- shocking that Schweitzer was snuffed in prison! I seriously doubt the Freemen did anything wrong, outlandish as their teachings and techniques may sound to the average normie (or fed-stooge).

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-01-01   1:42:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: noone222 (#1)

Very interesting. What did paying double the amount accomplish?

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-01-01   1:43:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: noone222 (#1) (Edited)

LeRoy made it clear to me at that time that "there ain't no fuckin money, it's all credit"

a man with an IRS lien satisfied it with a warrant. The Freemen taught the classes to pay twice what was expected and this man gave the IRS a Warrant for $28,000 and they returned a treasury check to him for $14,000. Why wouldn't they believe the Warrants were valid ?

There is no money since June 5, 1933 when FDR abrogated the gold standard. Britain did it in 1931.

It is plain as the nose on your face. The Freemen were on the right track and they exposed the fraud of the money and banking system.

The Federal Reserve pays for the cost of printing the Notes and then loans them to the USG at face value plus interest.

Remember also that Andrew Jackson, the Bane of the Bankers, said of them, "You are a den of vipers and thieves and by the Almighty I shall rout you out."

The fact the IRS returned a Treasury check for $14,000 means those warrants were good as gold. But when the goobs figured out what the Freemen were on to, they all became marked men.

I had two IRS liens on me in the town I lived when I was driving trucks. I had Lexington Law, credit repair lawyers from Salt Lake City, challenge them. The IRS could not prove I owed the tax and were forced to withdraw the liens.

My Credit Karma used to say "2" for Public Filings and now it says "0". The proof is in the pudding. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-01   9:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: NeoconsNailed (#4)

What did paying double the amount accomplish?

When those Warrants were issued for twice the amount owed and a Treasury check for a refund was issued it showed the Warrants were a valid form of payment.

When I worked for State of Illinois, our paychecks were Warrants issued by the State. They were drawn on funds on deposit in the bank specified. I am not sure how it all worked. But we made a fortune in winter on snow and ice.

One time they called me in 3 hours early for 18 hour shift on weekend. I had to stop and nap a couple of times before that was over. You would pull over and put out headlights, swing your legs across on passenger seat with plow controls between your legs and nod off. We had hard hat with thermal liner to keep your neck and head warm. You know you've been sleeping when you wake up and windshield is snow covered. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-01   11:16:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: BTP Holdings (#5)

I'll leave another tid bit that came out after the Freemen were arrested. Gerry Spence, a very well known and respected lawyer stated "the Freemen didn't do anything that doesn't go on routinely every day on Wall Street."

I personally believe that we've given the various parties that are colluding to destroy America and the population of the world enough time and space to repent of their crimes. They haven't, they won't, and that leaves us to not only stop them but to destroy them.

There isn't one person on this 4UM and surely many other forums that have been discussing these crimes against freedom and humanity long enough to know there is more than enough evidence to support the notion of removing them from our lives and even from the gene pool. We're either going to fight the elite plague and survive or not survive.

In the end what value has life if one must live it in fear, or as a slave to the disgusting cabal of murderers that have spoiled everything good and intend much worse for us. And if millions start dying and then billions, what would make life worth living other than revenge ?

To those that might claim we would have no chance of successfully removing the global thugs, I say 1st, not if we don't start, and secondly these scumbags need to suffer as much pain as we can supply on our way to defeat. God bless the patriots and people that love righteousness enough to sacrifice as necessary today in order to provide for a future.

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. "

noone222  posted on  2022-01-01   12:57:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: noone222, 4um (#7)

Gerry Spence

Wasn't he Randy Weaver's legal beagle?

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2022-01-01   13:01:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Lod (#2)

Hey Jim, I've been thinking about you for several days and the passing of your wife. It was immediately apparent to me that you were graced with something that most of us never ever have either because we don't have the patience, can't handle responsibility, or simply marry the wrong person.

That being said, I envy those that have a lifelong committed relationship that endures the trials of life and strengthens both husband and wife to the very end of this life ...

The song above says a taste of honey is worse than none at all. I disagree and have had enough experience with losing loved ones that I would shout from the roof tops that "A TASTE OF HONEY IS MUCH BETTER THAN NONE AT ALL" ! My mom and dad had that long term great loving relationship and I wanted that too, but things got in the way.

I truly enjoy seeing my children on occasion but it tears me up to say good-bye.

I'm sure you already know what I'm saying and I just wanted you to know that I think of you as a friend even though we've never met. I like you because you're sane, strong, and intelligent. And, don't forget we're here for you !

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. "

noone222  posted on  2022-01-01   13:19:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: noone222, Lod (#9)

Seconded.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2022-01-01   13:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: noone222 (#7)

removing them from our lives and even from the gene pool

When Bill Clinton was POTUS, he left that stain on Monica Lewinsky's dress. He also claimed he was shooting blanks. Maybe that is why Chelsea has a recessive chin just like Web Hubbel.

Bill Clinton also caused to be borrowed all the money in the Social Security Trust Fund to balance the budget. IOUs were left in the fund. Now all Social Security payments must be budgeted. This adds further to the debt bomb that will soon explode.

Trump's biggest coup was lining up four of Bill's rape victims in the front row of one of his debates with Hildabeast. Bill would not look at them. But did you see the look on Chelsea's face? It was priceless. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-01   13:25:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Esso, noone222, Lod (#10)

Seconded.

I agree whole heartedly. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-01   13:29:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Esso (#8)

Wasn't he Randy Weaver's legal beagle?

He sure was and did it begrudgingly because he thought Weaver was a racist. Spence was one of those guys that looked at right vs. wrong without throwing political bullshit into the equation.

I met Weaver at the Kerrville patriot event some 15-20 years ago. My buddy that I attended the event with went and stayed with Weaver for a short time and both of us arrived at the same opinion of Weaver. He was a very capable soldier (special forces) and a man that would prefer peace to war. He was also a mild mannered man that was dragged into the situation that cost him his wife and son by FEDS that were incompetent to do their fucking jobs without entrapping, and killing in order to justify a paycheck. Fuck the FEDS !

At the end of a book I read was a speech Spence gave at a graduation ceremony. He told the law students graduating that their friendships would end in some cases when they found themselves in court against a friend that had become a FEDERAL prosecutor and would lie, withhold exculpatory evidence, and do anything to get a conviction !

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. "

noone222  posted on  2022-01-01   13:32:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: noone222 (#13) (Edited)

He told the law students graduating that their friendships would end in some cases when they found themselves in court against a friend that had become a FEDERAL prosecutor and would lie, withhold exculpatory evidence, and do anything to get a conviction !

That was like the Kyle Rittenhouse trial when one of the prosecution's witnesses, Gaige Grosskruetz testified that he had a gun and intended to shoot Mr. Rittenhouse. The Prosecutor did a "face- palm" after that line, blown out of the water by his own witness. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-01   13:51:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: BTP Holdings, 4um (#14)

The FBI was also tampering with and withholding evidence.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2022-01-01   14:06:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Esso (#15)

I used to own a .45 Long Colt Derringer. You could substitute .410 shot shells with .000 buck shot in them. There were three of them in each round.

If you blasted someone with that you would REALLY put the hurt on them.

I sold it back to the guy I bought it from. He said he was going to have it gold plated and mounted. No idea if he ever did that though. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-01   14:30:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: noone222, Esso, BTP (#9)

Thanks so much for the kind words and good thoughts, they're appreciated. Pam and I were married 43 years this past August 5th and took our vows seriously enough. At first, the "for richer or poorer" clause was in effect, but for the past five years the "in sickness and in health" clause moved to the to the top of the list.

I'd do it all over again.

“ On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. ” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2022-01-01   19:03:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Lod (#17)

I'd do it all over again.

I have yet to do it, but I keep trying. My sweetie is about 100 miles north of me with a woman she had never met. She took her in when she ran out of gas on the way to me. Hope she gets here soon. I lined up a job for her making restaurant furnishings not far from here. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-01   20:49:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Esso (#8)

Wasn't he Randy Weaver's legal beagle?

Jack McLamb, a retired Phoenix police officer helped to end the siege at Ruby Ridge after FBI HRT team had killed Sammy Weaver after the family dog discovered them sneaking up on their home. They killed the dog also.

And then they shot Vickie Weaver when she was standing in the open doorway of their home while holding her infant daughter.

Those FBI creeps were bad news and they set up Randy for sawing off a shotgun 1/4 inch shorter than the 18" minimum length. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-01   20:57:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: BTP Holdings, Lod, Esso, noone222 (#19)

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2022-01-01   21:05:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: BTP Holdings (#19)

There should have been a bounty on Lon Horiuchi. The FED GOV gave the county prosecutor the OK to prosecute Horiuchi. He was a pussy and I let him know it. I wrote an op ed that got published there.

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. "

noone222  posted on  2022-01-01   21:05:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: noone222 (#21)

There should have been a bounty on Lon Horiuchi.

Agreed, I take great offense at federal agents murdering locals. Locals murdering locals being excused by federals has pissed me off too. No chance of turning locals against federals, though...the "locals" are morons.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2022-01-01   21:23:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Dakmar (#22)

I take great offense at federal agents (period).

Vicki Weaver posed no threat to anyone and Horiuchi even drew a picture of her standing with a baby in her arms behind a cabin door with a small 4 pane window, when asked by Gerry Spence what he saw just before he blew her head off. Disgusting motherfucker.

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. "

noone222  posted on  2022-01-01   21:29:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: noone222 (#23)

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2022-01-01   21:39:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: noone222 (#23)

Bowling for faggots, lol.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2022-01-01   21:42:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: noone222 (#23)

No cookies? No brownies? No muffins? Call the police!

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2022-01-01   21:53:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: noone222 (#23)

Can I borrow a dollar, dog?

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2022-01-01   22:00:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: All (#27)

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2022-01-01   22:04:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: BTP Holdings, 4um (#19)

Bo Gritz went to RR with McLamb.

“ On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. ” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2022-01-01   22:10:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Dakmar (#28)

Ouchie, I'm almost asleep ! hahaha !

"And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. "

noone222  posted on  2022-01-01   22:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: noone222 (#30)

Couldn't quote you no Dickens, Shelley or Keats, 'cause its al been said before :)

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2022-01-01   22:20:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Lod, Esso (#29)

“ On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. ” ~ H. L. Mencken

https://youtu.be/QcGLRyBhE7M

https://youtu.be/QcGLRyBhE7M

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2022-01-01   22:30:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: noone222 (#30)

https://static-3.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/S36r0TvEF8bE/SClYKmbZbnC7KMmFzuDzYu3Z_640x360.jpg

sunbeams, lol

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2022-01-01   22:36:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Lod (#29)

some sunny day....

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2022-01-01   23:02:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: BTP Holdings (#6)

Isn't that remarkable! Reminds me of what Dr. Clarkson used to say re the feds and DOR harassing him -- "I help people and they win cases. What's the problem?"

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-01-02   0:57:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: BTP Holdings (#6)

it showed the Warrants were a valid form of payment

No, it showed that some hapless clerk believed it was a legitimate form of payment, and issued a check to balance or refund the supposed overpayment.

Gov on reflection was not amused, and as I recall, some people went to prison over that. Gov called it something fancy like conspiracy to defraud the Government. (They capitalize their own G like that; it helps fuel their God delusion.)

StraitGate  posted on  2022-01-02   1:10:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: StraitGate (#36)

Is it safe?

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2022-01-02   1:27:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Dakmar (#37)

That reminds me of the episode of MASH when Hawkeye is locked up in the rubber room and subjected to analysis by the head shrinker. He found out it was safe to leave too. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-02   8:58:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Dakmar (#20)

We worked The Grateful Dead several times in Chicago area at a few different venues.

One time on north side the band switched from a fast song to a slow one. Everyone sat down and there was one left standing in front row. I hollered at him, "Out! Out!." When he got to my end of the row he started giving me some lip, so I grabbed him by the arm and shoved him toward the stairs since he had a Mezzanine ticket.

I saw the same guy the following year cutting thru the 10th row acting like he was trying to find his seat. I told one of the guys on the crew, "You see that guy out there acting like he is trying to find his seat? He doesn't belong there. Go and get him."

He circled around and caught him coming out the far end of the row and sent him up to the Mezzanine. He asked, "How did you know?" I said, "I seen him before."

Then at the World Music Theater in Tinley Park, the first night the crowd rushed the fence on top of the hill. There were so many people coming over the top of the fence it looked like a waterfall.

The next night they had the dogs out there. "Woof! I want a piece of a dead head. Woof! Woof!"

Another time at Soldier Field, myself and another guy were behind the stage where no one was sitting. This guy comes out of the tunnel and run up and sits in front of the score board. We waved him down, "C'mon down here!" "How did you get in here? Do you have a ticket?"

He tried to run so we grabbed him. Then he tried to fight us. We told him, "If you fight us you will be going to jail. How did you get in here?"

He told us he rode his bike in. He fell in with the roadies and rode in with them. "OK. So where is your bike now?" He said, "It's chained up to the rail downstairs." "Give me the key and I will bring it out to you."

I tried selling it on the way out, but there were no takers. I told him, "You're lucky to get this back." ROTFLMAO!

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-02   9:42:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: StraitGate (#36) (Edited)

some hapless clerk believed it was a legitimate form of payment,

I deposited two checks at a bank here several years ago. The bank accepted the checks.

I used their debit card to purchase iTunes cards at the store. Both checks bounced like rubber balls and the account was overdrawn nearly $2,000.

That woman at the bank was screaming at me, "YOU ARE GOING TO PAY ALL OF THIS!"

The bank wrote off the debt and some collection agency picked it up. They called on my cell phone and tried to trick me into admitting I owed the money. I said, "What? Who is this? I don't know what you are talking about." and I hung up. They use ever trick in the book trying to get you to admit you owe something you do not owe.

The bank's system allowed the debit card to work on uncollected funds. So whose problem was it really? The bank, of course.

BTW, that particular bank is gone now and it has another name. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-02   9:54:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Dakmar (#24)

IIRC, before ATF agents and National Guard stormed the compound, Janet Reno said, "Give me a reason not to do this."

Obviously they couldn't do it. :-/

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-02   10:05:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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