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Title: North Korea Continues to Act Up: Why Is America Still in the Middle of the Korean Imbroglio?
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URL Source: https://original.antiwar.com/doug-b ... iddle-of-the-korean-imbroglio/
Published: Jan 12, 2022
Author: Doug Bandow
Post Date: 2022-01-12 09:27:49 by Ada
Keywords: None
Views: 1702
Comments: 28

The US is simultaneously challenging China, Iran, and Russia. Although war remains unlikely, all three involve potential military confrontations with significant powers.

Then there is North Korea. The "love affair" between the North’s Supreme Leader Kim Jong-un and President Donald Trump is long over, and Kim has refused to even get acquainted with President Joe Biden. Indeed, over the last two years the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea turned sharply inward, suggesting that Kim may be returning to the autarkic policies of his father and grandfather.

However, Kim has not just sealed his people in. He continues to develop new weapons. Last week Pyongyang shot off another missile, short-range but supposedly hypersonic.

The DPRK already is a small nuclear power, with estimates of an arsenal with as many as 65 nuclear weapons. But that may just be the start. The Rand Corporation and Asan Institute warned:

"Despite some ROK and U.S. efforts to enhance defense and deterrence, there is a growing gap between the North Korean nuclear weapon threat and ROK and US capabilities to defeat it. … by 2027, North Korea could have 200 nuclear weapons and several dozen intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) and hundreds of theater missiles for delivering the nuclear weapons. The ROK and the United States are not prepared, and do not plan to be prepared, to deal with the coercive and warfighting leverage that these weapons would give North Korea."

With such a total the North would be a middling nuclear power alongside France, the United Kingdom, Israel, India, and Pakistan. The threat to the US still would be measured, since the DPRK would not possess a first-strike capability. Moreover, contra their image of Team America, North Korea’s leaders have been shrewd operators, not undisciplined loons.

However, the ability to rain nukes upon South Korea, Japan, and American territories in the Pacific – and, by then, likely the US homeland as well – would provide the North with an effective deterrent to military action by Washington. That includes involvement in a conventional conflict on the Korean peninsula. Imagine war broke out, whatever the circumstance. A large influx of American forces would provide a convenient target for North Korean attacks. And any attempt to overrun the North, as the allies were poised to do in 1950 before Chinese intervention, would invite Kim to threaten nuclear strikes on the homeland if Washington did not pull back.

What in South Korea is worth the price of several US cities? Nothing.

America’s presence in Korea is an accident, resulting from the messy end of World War II. Japan surrendered on September 2, 1945. The peninsula was a Japanese colony. Washington proposed that the Soviet Union and US divide Korea into northern and southern occupation zones. The Cold War ended plans to reunite the two.

After establishment of both the Republic of Korea and DPRK, the US withdrew its forces. Washington did not view the peninsula as vital to American security but refused to provide Seoul with heavy weapons since President Syngman Rhee threatened to march north to forcibly reunify the peninsula. The Soviets were not so scrupulous about arming what became the DPRK, and in June 1950 the North’s Kim Il-sung invaded.

The Truman administration then reversed course and intervened. It had not changed its judgment regarding the Koreas’ intrinsic value, or lack thereof, but was concerned that failing to act might undermine European confidence and Soviet deterrence. As allied troops drove Kim’s forces northward, captured Pyongyang, and approached the Yalu river, the People’s Republic of China intervened, creating what Gen. Douglas MacArthur termed "an entirely new war." Combat finally ended close to the original border, with an armistice concluded in July 1953.

At that time the ROK would not have survived without continuing US support, leading to the "Mutual" Defense Treaty (the South’s obligation was to agree to be defended) and a permanent "tripwire" troop presence. However, in the 1960s South Korea began to pull away from its northern neighbor economically. Democracy arrived in the late 1980s. Today the ROK’s economy is among the world’s dozen largest, around 54 times that of the North. The South also has twice the DPRK’s population.

Among the other South Korean advantages: a major industrial sector, vast technological edge, and much larger diplomatic network. ROK soft power permeates the globe and even the North, leading to frantic North Korean efforts to stamp out access to South Korean television, movies, and even K-pop. Evidently fearful of the corrosive impact of viewing a much wealthier, freer South, Kim also has begun emphasizing socialism at the expense of his heretofore godly father and grandfather. This may be a permanent reversal, aided by the isolation reinforced by the COVID-19 pandemic, with Kim determined to prevent ideological contamination by adopting autarky and (reluctantly) relying on China to ensure his regime’s survival.

In any case, it is long past time for Seoul to take over responsibility for its own defense. The US no longer can afford to protect a gaggle of prosperous, populous allies around the world, including the ROK. South Koreans currently possess a qualitatively superior though numerically inferior conventional force. The North is capable of inflicting great destruction – for instance, with artillery and missile attacks on Seoul, a mere 30 or so miles from the border – but likely lacks the ability to win a full-scale war. The ROK could augment its military in any way necessary to deter the DPRK and defeat the latter in combat if necessary.

North Korea’s possession of nuclear weapons admittedly adds a significant complication. The US could retain its so-called nuclear umbrella, but as the North’s capabilities increase an American promise to risk nuclear retaliation – today at least on forces stationed throughout the Asia-Pacific, and eventually on the US homeland – makes "extended deterrence" by the US ever less viable. In time the South would need to consider how to deter Pyongyang on its own. Making peace would avoid the problem but depends upon the DPRK. South Korea also could adopt forms of conventional deterrence, or even build its own nuclear weapons, a position long backed by the South Korean public. (Other US allies might eventually face a similar choice though they would not necessarily follow Seoul.)

Fans of the US-ROK alliance contend that it covers other forms of cooperation, but they could be maintained without an American promise to go to war on the Korean peninsula. Some Washington policymakers expect to use South Korean bases in any conflict with China, but Seoul won’t even criticize the PRC’s human rights record. The likelihood of the ROK agreeing to become a battlefield between the PRC and America, absent a direct Chinese attack on South Korea, is vanishingly small. Some observers worry about an American departure triggering an arms race in Asia, but that may be the best, and perhaps only, way to effectively deter Chinese adventurism. Anyway, rather than expecting the US to deter China, it would be far better for the nations directly threatened to build up their militaries for what is, after all, their defense.

Washington took on the role of GloboCop at the end of World War II. It was a unique moment in history. The case for America guaranteeing the security of countries around the globe had only temporary application. Years after economic recovery, national development, and political reform in Europe, South Korea, and Japan, the old arguments no longer apply. Given America’s challenges at home, political as well as economic, it is time for the US to start shifting rather than sharing burdens.

Korea would be a good place to start. Washington should inform the ROK of its intention to withdraw its troops and renegotiate the Mutual Defense Treaty, turning it into a genuinely "mutual" agreement providing for cooperation on issues of shared interest both in and out of Asia. The Korean people want to be treated as adults and equals. Washington should finally do so.

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#1. To: Ada, 4um (#0)

The US is simultaneously challenging China, Iran, and Russia.

Thank God we have such a sharp, strong President at the helm.

Although war remains unlikely...

Right up until it isn't.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2022-01-12   10:22:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

The biggest mistake the US of A made was to get involved from the start.

Darkwing  posted on  2022-01-12   12:52:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Ada (#0)

Why Is America Still in the Middle of the Korean Imbroglio?

Antiwar.com should know better than to refer to the United States Government as "America".

StraitGate  posted on  2022-01-12   15:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Darkwing (#2)

Was a nasty war that has generally been forgotten.

Ada  posted on  2022-01-12   16:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: StraitGate (#3)

Antiwar.com should know better than to refer to the United States Government as "America".

The corporate UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA is a shadow of the Republic given us by the Founders in 1789 in Philadelphia. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-12   18:16:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BTP Holdings (#5)

Yep -- a corporation taking the place of the real thing since FDR declared bankruptcy in 1933 ;)

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-01-12   18:18:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Esso, Ada (#1)

Although war remains unlikely...

Right up until it isn't.

If Putin succeeds in driving NATO out of Ukraine it will be the second foreign policy defeat for the Biden administration. Afghanistan was the first. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-12   18:19:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: NeoconsNailed (#6)

I can't tell if you're mocking BTP, or if you're serious?

StraitGate  posted on  2022-01-12   19:16:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: StraitGate, BTPHoldings., 4um (#8) (Edited)

I can PM NN B's phone number. Maybe they can hash out anything else offline.

There's someone else here that seems to have a big problem with Jim.

They can come see me. 41.0793° N, 85.1394° W

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2022-01-12   19:30:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ada (#0)

Just leave, but take all our crap, or give it to S. K. - they'll do just fine without US. Rinse and repeat with about 80(?) other countries.

“ On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. ” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2022-01-12   21:11:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: All (#10)

more about US being a corporation

www.youhavetheright.com/tour1/

“ On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. ” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2022-01-12   21:18:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Esso (#9)

41.0793° N, 85.1394° W

Google maps says that's in the middle of E. Berry Street between the bank and the courthouse. Hey, y'all have a street named after John C. Calhoun?

StraitGate  posted on  2022-01-12   21:35:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Lod (#11)

Interesting. Thanks.

StraitGate  posted on  2022-01-12   21:39:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: StraitGate (#8)

The latter -- states too.

www.ncrepublic.org/index.php

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-01-12   21:50:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: StraitGate (#12)

Hey, y'all have a street named after John C. Calhoun?

Major street, I can't tell you the direction, I think it turns into a highway.

Washington, Jefferson, one ways, major E/W thingy, they merge into Jefferson on the west side and near my joint on the east side.

I've only been here 60+ years on and off, you don't expect me to know the street names?

My sister called me tonight. Her relator found her a nice joint on Raymond, Holy shit, that's a block or two south of me, it's a no-go zone unless I have to. I try to only travel south and east until I'm out of the hood.

The coordinates are for the center of the Burmese Capitol of the US. I can narrow those down if need be.

I'm too old to be in the killin' zone.

PM forthcoming.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2022-01-12   22:01:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: NeoconsNailed (#14)

Interesting. Thanks.

Has anybody heard any good news in last 40 years or so? Other than the long long overdue demises of Fat Face and Ginsburg?

StraitGate  posted on  2022-01-12   22:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: StraitGate (#16)

Tons -- showers of blessings. Am jumping for joy that the killitary is desperate for recruits (new page here). But since our civilization is so jewed up and bent on killing us, forums mostly focus on that I guess.

I just wrote the two families I Iooked at Central America with what seems like a few years ago -- toldem it's already a decade. We were all sure the worst was just around the corner ;)

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-01-13   3:00:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: NeoconsNailed (#6)

a corporation taking the place of the real thing since FDR declared bankruptcy in 1933

The Corporation was formed when the Act of 1871 was passed. This formed a government for the District of Columbia. It also changed the wording in the original Declaration of Independence and formed the corporate UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

When FDR declared bankruptcy and abolished the gold standard that paved the way for unrestricted money creation by the Federal Reserve System. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-13   7:43:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Lod, All (#11)

more about US being a corporation

www.youhavetheright.com/tour1/

Everything at the link is spot on. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-13   7:57:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: NeoconsNailed (#14) (Edited)

www.ncrepublic.org/index.php

I know this chick that owned a truck yard in North Carolina. She sold it and moved out to California. She had hard time finding work but is now working.

I sure wish I knew what happened to that Russian chick named Brenda. She was hot. She had inheritance coming in Russia but she needed to be married to get it. She was using me as her fiancée and telling them I was unable to travel, which was true.

She has dropped out of sight now. She might have gotten the big bucks and blown me off. She was living in Texas City, Texas last I heard and working as a pharmacist. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-13   8:05:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: BTP Holdings (#20)

Sounds like a very unusual Russian. Did she have an American parent, by chance? Pharmacism should pay great.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-01-13   8:33:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Esso (#9)

Who don't like Jim and your Utubes?

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-01-13   8:37:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: BTP Holdings, Ada (#19)

Ada, at about 4:00 in BTP's fine video (above in #19) the Lieber Code is discussed. This was drawn up at Lincoln's request to detail how the Union could run around torturing Dixie with martial law etc. He was a Prussian Jew who became a slaveowner in SC and then a raving Northern abolitionist.

I'm starting to think the 'wandering Jew' legend is a figure for how kikes run rootlessly all over the world causing serious trouble, perverting and and overthrowing other ppl's countries.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-01-13   15:17:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: NeoconsNailed (#23) (Edited)

kikes run ruthlessly

You must remember one thing, Arafat always said the problem with Palestine (and Israel) was the Zionists.

The truth of the matter is found in history and the Balfour Declaration. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-15   7:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: BTP Holdings (#24)

That's like saying the problem with the Titanic was the water ;)

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-01-15   9:52:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: NeoconsNailed (#25)

the problem with the Titanic was the water

If the Titanic hit an iceberg it would have sunk in minutes, not hours. It was obviously pack ice that sunk her. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2022-01-15   10:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: BTP Holdings (#26)

Very interesting! Many of history's most iconic happenings are gross misunderstandings in some way :s

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-01-15   16:52:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: BTP Holdings (#26)

Earth to BTP... Earth to BTP... Come in, BTP.

StraitGate  posted on  2022-01-15   19:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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