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Title: NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20 ... edatabaseofamericansphonecalls
Published: May 11, 2006
Author: Leslie Cauley
Post Date: 2006-05-11 09:50:46 by Eoghan
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The National Security Agency has been secretly collecting the phone call records of tens of millions of Americans, using data provided by AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth, people with direct knowledge of the arrangement told USA TODAY. The NSA program reaches into homes and businesses across the nation by amassing information about the calls of ordinary Americans - most of whom aren't suspected of any crime. This program does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations. But the spy agency is using the data to analyze calling patterns in an effort to detect terrorist activity, sources said in separate interviews. QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS: The NSA record collection program "It's the largest database ever assembled in the world," said one person, who, like the others who agreed to talk about the NSA's activities, declined to be identified by name or affiliation. The agency's goal is "to create a database of every call ever made" within the nation's borders, this person added. For the customers of these companies, it means that the government has detailed records of calls they made - across town or across the country - to family members, co-workers, business contacts and others. The three telecommunications companies are working under contract with the NSA, which launched the program in 2001 shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the sources said. The program is aimed at identifying and tracking suspected terrorists, they said. The sources would talk only under a guarantee of anonymity because the NSA program is secret. Air Force Gen. Michael Hayden, nominated Monday by President Bush to become the director of the CIA, headed the NSA from March 1999 to April 2005. In that post, Hayden would have overseen the agency's domestic call-tracking program. Hayden declined to comment about the program. The NSA's domestic program, as described by sources, is far more expansive than what the White House has acknowledged. Last year, Bush said he had authorized the NSA to eavesdrop - without warrants - on international calls and international e-mails of people suspected of having links to terrorists when one party to the communication is in the USA. Warrants have also not been used in the NSA's efforts to create a national call database. In defending the previously disclosed program, Bush insisted that the NSA was focused exclusively on international calls. "In other words," Bush explained, "one end of the communication must be outside the United States." As a result, domestic call records - those of calls that originate and terminate within U.S. borders - were believed to be private. Sources, however, say that is not the case. With access to records of billions of domestic calls, the NSA has gained a secret window into the communications habits of millions of Americans. Customers' names, street addresses and other personal information are not being handed over as part of NSA's domestic program, the sources said. But the phone numbers the NSA collects can easily be cross-checked with other databases to obtain that information. Don Weber, a senior spokesman for the NSA, declined to discuss the agency's operations. "Given the nature of the work we do, it would be irresponsible to comment on actual or alleged operational issues; therefore, we have no information to provide," he said. "However, it is important to note that NSA takes its legal responsibilities seriously and operates within the law." The White House would not discuss the domestic call-tracking program. "There is no domestic surveillance without court approval," said Dana Perino, deputy press secretary, referring to actual eavesdropping. She added that all national intelligence activities undertaken by the federal government "are lawful, necessary and required for the pursuit of al-Qaeda and affiliated terrorists." All government-sponsored intelligence activities "are carefully reviewed and monitored," Perino said. She also noted that "all appropriate members of Congress have been briefed on the intelligence efforts of the United States." The government is collecting "external" data on domestic phone calls but is not intercepting "internals," a term for the actual content of the communication, according to a U.S. intelligence official familiar with the program. This kind of data collection from phone companies is not uncommon; it's been done before, though never on this large a scale, the official said. The data are used for "social network analysis," the official said, meaning to study how terrorist networks contact each other and how they are tied together. Carriers uniquely positioned AT&T recently merged with SBC and kept the AT&T name. Verizon, BellSouth and AT&T are the nation's three biggest telecommunications companies; they provide local and wireless phone service to more than 200 million customers. The three carriers control vast networks with the latest communications technologies. They provide an array of services: local and long-distance calling, wireless and high-speed broadband, including video. Their direct access to millions of homes and businesses has them uniquely positioned to help the government keep tabs on the calling habits of Americans. Among the big telecommunications companies, only Qwest has refused to help the NSA, the sources said. According to multiple sources, Qwest declined to participate because it was uneasy about the legal implications of handing over customer information to the government without warrants. Qwest's refusal to participate has left the NSA with a hole in its database. Based in Denver, Qwest provides local phone service to 14 million customers in 14 states in the West and Northwest. But AT&T and Verizon also provide some services - primarily long-distance and wireless - to people who live in Qwest's region. Therefore, they can provide the NSA with at least some access in that area. Created by President Truman in 1952, during the Korean War, the NSA is charged with protecting the United States from foreign security threats. The agency was considered so secret that for years the government refused to even confirm its existence. Government insiders used to joke that NSA stood for "No Such Agency." In 1975, a congressional investigation revealed that the NSA had been intercepting, without warrants, international communications for more than 20 years at the behest of the CIA and other agencies. The spy campaign, code-named "Shamrock," led to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which was designed to protect Americans from illegal eavesdropping. Enacted in 1978, FISA lays out procedures that the U.S. government must follow to conduct electronic surveillance and physical searches of people believed to be engaged in espionage or international terrorism against the United States. A special court, which has 11 members, is responsible for adjudicating requests under FISA. Over the years, NSA code-cracking techniques have continued to improve along with technology. The agency today is considered expert in the practice of "data mining" - sifting through reams of information in search of patterns. Data mining is just one of many tools NSA analysts and mathematicians use to crack codes and track international communications. Paul Butler, a former U.S. prosecutor who specialized in terrorism crimes, said FISA approval generally isn't necessary for government data-mining operations. "FISA does not prohibit the government from doing data mining," said Butler, now a partner with the law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld in Washington, D.C. The caveat, he said, is that "personal identifiers" - such as names, Social Security numbers and street addresses - can't be included as part of the search. "That requires an additional level of probable cause," he said. The usefulness of the NSA's domestic phone-call database as a counterterrorism tool is unclear. Also unclear is whether the database has been used for other purposes. The NSA's domestic program raises legal questions. Historically, AT&T and the regional phone companies have required law enforcement agencies to present a court order before they would even consider turning over a customer's calling data. Part of that owed to the personality of the old Bell Telephone System, out of which those companies grew. Ma Bell's bedrock principle - protection of the customer - guided the company for decades, said Gene Kimmelman, senior public policy director of Consumers Union. "No court order, no customer information - period. That's how it was for decades," he said. The concern for the customer was also based on law: Under Section 222 of the Communications Act, first passed in 1934, telephone companies are prohibited from giving out information regarding their customers' calling habits: whom a person calls, how often and what routes those calls take to reach their final destination. Inbound calls, as well as wireless calls, also are covered. The financial penalties for violating Section 222, one of many privacy reinforcements that have been added to the law over the years, can be stiff. The Federal Communications Commission, the nation's top telecommunications regulatory agency, can levy fines of up to $130,000 per day per violation, with a cap of $1.325 million per violation. The FCC has no hard definition of "violation." In practice, that means a single "violation" could cover one customer or 1 million. In the case of the NSA's international call-tracking program, Bush signed an executive order allowing the NSA to engage in eavesdropping without a warrant. The president and his representatives have since argued that an executive order was sufficient for the agency to proceed. Some civil liberties groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, disagree. Companies approached The NSA's domestic program began soon after the Sept. 11 attacks, according to the sources. Right around that time, they said, NSA representatives approached the nation's biggest telecommunications companies. The agency made an urgent pitch: National security is at risk, and we need your help to protect the country from attacks. The agency told the companies that it wanted them to turn over their "call-detail records," a complete listing of the calling histories of their millions of customers. In addition, the NSA wanted the carriers to provide updates, which would enable the agency to keep tabs on the nation's calling habits. The sources said the NSA made clear that it was willing to pay for the cooperation. AT&T, which at the time was headed by C. Michael Armstrong, agreed to help the NSA. So did BellSouth, headed by F. Duane Ackerman; SBC, headed by Ed Whitacre; and Verizon, headed by Ivan Seidenberg. With that, the NSA's domestic program began in earnest. AT&T, when asked about the program, replied with a comment prepared for USA TODAY: "We do not comment on matters of national security, except to say that we only assist law enforcement and government agencies charged with protecting national security in strict accordance with the law." In another prepared comment, BellSouth said: "BellSouth does not provide any confidential customer information to the NSA or any governmental agency without proper legal authority." Verizon, the USA's No. 2 telecommunications company behind AT&T, gave this statement: "We do not comment on national security matters, we act in full compliance with the law and we are committed to safeguarding our customers' privacy." Qwest spokesman Robert Charlton said: "We can't talk about this. It's a classified situation." In December, The New York Times revealed that Bush had authorized the NSA to wiretap, without warrants, international phone calls and e-mails that travel to or from the USA. The following month, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group, filed a class-action lawsuit against AT&T. The lawsuit accuses the company of helping the NSA spy on U.S. phone customers. Last month, U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales alluded to that possibility. Appearing at a House Judiciary Committee hearing, Gonzales was asked whether he thought the White House has the legal authority to monitor domestic traffic without a warrant. Gonzales' reply: "I wouldn't rule it out." His comment marked the first time a Bush appointee publicly asserted that the White House might have that authority. Similarities in programs The domestic and international call-tracking programs have things in common, according to the sources. Both are being conducted without warrants and without the approval of the FISA court. The Bush administration has argued that FISA's procedures are too slow in some cases. Officials, including Gonzales, also make the case that the USA Patriot Act gives them broad authority to protect the safety of the nation's citizens. The chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Sen. Pat Roberts (news, bio, voting record), R-Kan., would not confirm the existence of the program. In a statement, he said, "I can say generally, however, that our subcommittee has been fully briefed on all aspects of the Terrorist Surveillance Program. ... I remain convinced that the program authorized by the president is lawful and absolutely necessary to protect this nation from future attacks." The chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., declined to comment. One company differs One major telecommunications company declined to participate in the program: Qwest. According to sources familiar with the events, Qwest's CEO at the time, Joe Nacchio, was deeply troubled by the NSA's assertion that Qwest didn't need a court order - or approval under FISA - to proceed. Adding to the tension, Qwest was unclear about who, exactly, would have access to its customers' information and how that information might be used. Financial implications were also a concern, the sources said. Carriers that illegally divulge calling information can be subjected to heavy fines. The NSA was asking Qwest to turn over millions of records. The fines, in the aggregate, could have been substantial. The NSA told Qwest that other government agencies, including the FBI, CIA and DEA, also might have access to the database, the sources said. As a matter of practice, the NSA regularly shares its information - known as "product" in intelligence circles - with other intelligence groups. Even so, Qwest's lawyers were troubled by the expansiveness of the NSA request, the sources said. The NSA, which needed Qwest's participation to completely cover the country, pushed back hard. Trying to put pressure on Qwest, NSA representatives pointedly told Qwest that it was the lone holdout among the big telecommunications companies. It also tried appealing to Qwest's patriotic side: In one meeting, an NSA representative suggested that Qwest's refusal to contribute to the database could compromise national security, one person recalled. In addition, the agency suggested that Qwest's foot-dragging might affect its ability to get future classified work with the government. Like other big telecommunications companies, Qwest already had classified contracts and hoped to get more. Unable to get comfortable with what NSA was proposing, Qwest's lawyers asked NSA to take its proposal to the FISA court. According to the sources, the agency refused. The NSA's explanation did little to satisfy Qwest's lawyers. "They told (Qwest) they didn't want to do that because FISA might not agree with them," one person recalled. For similar reasons, this person said, NSA rejected Qwest's suggestion of getting a letter of authorization from the U.S. attorney general's office. A second person confirmed this version of events. In June 2002, Nacchio resigned amid allegations that he had misled investors about Qwest's financial health. But Qwest's legal questions about the NSA request remained. Unable to reach agreement, Nacchio's successor, Richard Notebaert, finally pulled the plug on the NSA talks in late 2004, the sources said.
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#48. To: BTP Holdings, Skydrifter, Fred_mertz, FormerLurker, aristeides, OKCSubmariner (#43)
A member of the inquiry team, a US Air Force officer who flew over 100 sorties during the Vietnam war, told the press conference: “Those birds (commercial airliners) either had a crack fighter pilot in the left seat, Consider the following hypothesis: The "training" aspect of the hijackers was a cover. They were already trained fighter pilots. IMO, the pictures of the hijackers, many of them resemble SouthAsians more than Arabs. From where? Pakistan - where in 2002, the Chief of the Pakistani AF was killed in a plane explosion. Covering tracks? Just like the Saudi sheikhs, including the horse breeder, Kentucky Derby bon vivant. Then there is this story fresh off the presses......... URL: http://www.india- defence.com/reports/1902 Date: 11/5/2006 Agency: PTI Following the disintegration of the USSR after the Soviets defeat in Afghanistan, some Arab militant leaders and Pakistani generals planned to start war against the United States. "However, I vetoed this plan. Thereafter, Osama started his endeavours to pull down my government. Ramzi Yusuf tried to assassinate me," Bhutto said. Two senior Army Generals, Army Chief Aslam Baig and Director General ISI Gen. Hamid Gul who turned out to be bitter critics of US and defenders of militant group, served during Bhutto's second tenure between 1988 and 1990. In a free-wheeling interview to an American journalist which was telecast on Geo TV, she said the Saudi King had told her in 1989 that he declined to provide money to destabilise her government. "The adviser to Saudi king told one of my ministers that Osama provided 10 million dollars for toppling my government," she said, adding terrorist activities started following the dissolution of her government in 1990. She said Ramzi Yusuf has toyed with the idea of attacking World Trade Towers in 1990s and United States then sought cooperation of her government. "I offered to US authorities to set up the FBI office in Pakistan in 1993 so that effective action could be launched to eliminate terrorism. As a result Ramzi Yousuf was arrested. Would Musharraf of Pakistan, who came into power by overthrowing the PM, NawazSharif, have known about 911, if not actually participated, as evinced by his intel chief wiring 100K to M. Atta, via Omar Sheikh of L'Affaire Pearl fame?
Pray you will never know, the hell where youth and laughter go - Siegfried Sassoon. Ypres, Autumn 1914.
Testing ... testing ... 1-2 ... testing 1-2-3-4 ... NOW HEAR THIS ... Fuck Dubya Bush and his whole clan of contaminated paedophiles and shit eating baby killers. Nasty letter to follow.
------------------------------------------------------------ Kennedy Assassination ... Bush (I) did it ! 9-11 ... Bush (II) did it ! "Sarah if the American people ever find out what we have done to them, they will chase us down the streets and lynch us". [George H. W. Bush to Sarah McClendon] BUSH Monitoring About 200 Million Americans' Calls The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
EXACTLY. What these simpletons don't get is that once you lay the precedent and create the machine - anyone can use it. If you don't feel comfortable with President Hilary Clinton doing it/having it/knowing it - it shouldn't be done!
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
In 2001, the aircraft goundspeed alone would deny a steady signal (due to "tower switching"), let alone the altitude and the signal blockage by the aircraft skin. The purported 9-11 aircraft cell phone calls have little credibility. If there is any truth to be hasd in the calls, it's overwhelmed by the obvious bullshit. The absence of any descriptions of 'standard' flight attendant hijack responses tells me that the cellphone calls are too much rubbish to be considered. Barbara Olsen called collect on an airphone??? Twice? OKAY!
Personally, I have a hard time believing that Hillary Clinton could be any worse as a president than the one who is now in office.
Killtowns' 911 link page
The mind once expanded by a new idea never returns to its' original size
No. No. And no. Nor do I subscribe much to Art Bell's meanderings or Alex Jone's hysteria.
Cell phones work fine at that altitude. The reason you can't use them is due to farking with the navigation equipement. Myth Busters had an episode on this. The onboard cell phones are on a relay frequency that doesn't interfere with the onboard systems.
David Ray Griffin's writing style is quite sober.
Maybe you should check them out - you might find some of it eye opening. If nothing else, all this information raises serious questions on a number of topics and levels that should be addressed by an impartial investigation.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
hillary as a president will model herself after the Troika of Indira Gandhi, Golda Meir and Maggie Thatcher. No public sobbing bouts for her. She will not encumbered by what afflicted her husband, a juvenileish obsession with receiving sex. Lots of things trending in her favor; Republican women fundraising for her in Texas, Murdoch's fundraiser, stories about her grasp of military affairs, and a subtle playing on the theme of her as a wronged woman.
Pray you will never know, the hell where youth and laughter go - Siegfried Sassoon. Ypres, Autumn 1914.
Every time I've looked at mine after take off, it has a msg like "Service unavailable" - there is no dial tone.
Pray you will never know, the hell where youth and laughter go - Siegfried Sassoon. Ypres, Autumn 1914.
Yeah... I suppose we didn't set foot on the moon either? There is a stunning level of ignorance in all this conspiracy crap that is almost frightening. I was a jet engine machanic for six years. I worked at Northwest airlines for another 2. All they needed to know for the Towers was the beacon freq, plug that into their Autopilot, and make one last minute course change to aim down a couple floors. Occamz Razor. There was no conspiracy by our Government. Not one that wouldn't involve so many people that there would have been massive leaks of info by now. All you get is nut case flim-flam and every one with a video or book to sell for only $19.95 if you order now...
I think you underestimate the effectiveness of the compartmentalization of information.
How would you know that if you haven't done the research or investigation? You haven't read the books or seen the films, so you're not even examining the evidence. It's one thing to reject something after reviewing the issues that others raise, it's another to just reject them out of hand without even considering whether they might be true.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
I've been carrying a cell phone off and on since '96. I've had my phone beep me for voice mail at 36k' numerous times.
Yeah, right and the check's in the mail
And I think some of you are looking for more excuses to hate the government. There is plenty there to justify that without giving in to fantasies and conspiracy bullsh*t.
Correction. I haven't read all of the conspiracy crap. Nor do I intend to. I don't need to eat a spoonful of sh*t to know that I'm not going to enjoy the taste.
That's not a conclusive statement. The call may have been received earlier and gone into your vm, with the fone beeping you that you have vm. Have you ever spoken on a fone at that altitude or even a few minutes after takeoff at say 10K feet or whatever or tried to retrieve that vm. An airfone, yes, cell, well, I've yet to see anyone talking on one in flight.
Pray you will never know, the hell where youth and laughter go - Siegfried Sassoon. Ypres, Autumn 1914.
DC, you've landed in a zone where most people are more or less skeptical of the official 9-11 story. I was where you're at until about a year ago---didn't want to hear any questions about the official explanation....they were just a bunch of "tinfoil hat" conspiracy theories by Bush-hating DU'ers, etc. Keep an open mind. Read up on it. I think you'll eventually come to the conclusion that the government has not managed to wrap the events of 9-11 up in a pretty package with its own "conspiracy theory."
"Expect the government to lie to you."
As you well know, when you consider the state of the secrets kept in WW2, like the fake army in England , numerous disinfo and espionage operations- granted, all during strict wartime curfew and censorship conditions, nevertheless they point to and demonstrate the effectiveness of secrecy when needed.
Pray you will never know, the hell where youth and laughter go - Siegfried Sassoon. Ypres, Autumn 1914.
You're not going to look at the evidence because your mind is made up? But why is your mind made up?
I have to agree, Peetie. Some of the conspiracy stuff does sound far fetched and I don't necessarily believe everything that's put out there (especially about the Jesuits :) but I do think that there's a ton of info to indicate that 9/11 was a manufactured casus belli. Sometimes these things are created or manipulated, like Pearl Harbor or the Maine in the Spanish American war - or the Bay of Pigs for that matter. All manufactured events or lies, or known about beforehand to bring about a war. It's not like this hasn't happened before, either here or in another country. It happens frequently. I think a lot of people object to the "conspiracy theories" on the grounds that 1) the govt isn't that corrupt or evil 2) the govt isn't that competent 3) they couldn't keep a secret like that. Well, as for number 1 - sure they are. We see that in so many ways everyday, esp with this administration. Would they deliberately kill 3000+ Americans to make billions of dollars and get a much desired war in the ME? Absolutely, I have no doubt about that at all. No 2 - are they competent enough? sure they are. Even Dead Corpse shows us that the basic scheme is not difficult to bring about. It doesn't require much competency either to pull off such a stunt or to cover it up. And no. 3 - Keeping a secret? Who's to say that many people knew about this in the first place? Most intelligence operations are performed by people in compartmentaliezd functions who may not even realize they're part of a bigger picture. The number of people who could plan or let happen a 9/11 could be far less than even 2 dozen. And if some of these people were from a foreign govt intel agency like Israel's Mossad, they might not even give a damn at all. Conspiracies happen literally all the time, all over the world, and they have for all of human history. The govt story of 9/11 is itself a conspiracy theory. Every time more than 2 people get together to discuss a secret, or plan a secret operation - it's a conspiracy.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
You're not going to look at the evidence because your mind is made up? But why is your mind made up? It could have something to do with his name.
Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism. – George Washington "If the president made us go to war with Iraq, why doesn't he go over there and fight the war?" Christian May [6th grader] Oops, not the Bay of Pigs...the thing in Vietnam, damn I can't think of the name. Sucks to get old :)
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
Yes. The evidence I have seen works for me. I don't feel a need to invent anything more.
Trite. Thoughtless. And juvenile. No wonder you fell for the conspiracy nuts lies.
Gulf of Tonkin. Daniel Ellsberg has interesting things to say about that incident and the reaction to it in his recent book Secrets.
Oh thanks, Ari, wrong body of water :)
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
I don't read that conspiracy crap put out by the government either. Any one with half a brain can see 9/11 was an inside job.
God is always good! You chose your name for some reason, I was merely speculating.
Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism. – George Washington "If the president made us go to war with Iraq, why doesn't he go over there and fight the war?" Christian May [6th grader] According to Haldeman or Ehrlichman (I forget which,) when Nixon talked about the "Bay of Pigs," that was generally his code for the JFK assassination.
Robin has not fallen for any lies. The USA government did 9/11. If you can't see that then you are not intelligent enough to have a conversation with.
God is always good! Sorry to hear about your hemispherectomy, but that doesn't mean it was an "inside job".
I agree that by "open mind," I certainly don't mean "credulous mind." There've been quite a few "blind allies" the 9-11 Truth Movement has gone down, and I don't propose to put my reasoning faculties on hold just because the older I get, the more I realize that "a government big enough to do things for you, is also big enough to do things to you." But I think I was a lot more credulous when I simply swallowed whole the government's version of 9-11. It's not the case that I need "an excuse to hate the government." It's rather that before I needed---even desperately needed, given the horror of the 9-11 events---to believe the government and its version. Overcoming that need, which is the psychological foundation for our eventual enslavement, is the task for every man and woman who truly believes in our democratic republic. It is precisely the skepticism towards government that the Founding Fathers had that we need today in order to make sure that the great enterprise which they started endures.
"Expect the government to lie to you."
Ok. Good luck with that then...
No wonder you fell for the conspiracy nuts lies. Get a sense of humor. This "asshole-and-lovin'-it" pose isn't winning you any friends here.
"Expect the government to lie to you."
Dead Corpse, I come in peace. About 911, why do you have faith in their story when this government (actually a rogue military, industrial complex) has allowed a peasant army (illegal immigrants) to invade us, lie to us about Pearl Harbor (Day of Deceit. The Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor. by Adm. Robert B. Stinnett), and the Gulf of Tonkin?
If I was worried about making friends, group think, and "getting along"... I'd stay over at FR. You don't like my opinion on this topic, I'm fine with that. I don't actually care.
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>Islamabad: In a startling revelation, former Pakistan Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto has claimed that during her tenure some Arab militant leaders and Pakistani generals had planned to start a war against the US in association with Osama bin Laden but she vetoed it.
#49. To: Eoghan (#0)
#50. To: Eoghan, All Patriots (#0)
#51. To: Brian S (#39)
Watch their position change when Hillary or some other 'rat wins the White House...
#52. To: christine (#46)
#53. To: mehitable (#51)
#54. To: SKYDRIFTER (#52)
#55. To: christine (#25)
#56. To: christine (#46)
has it not been proven that cell phones do not work at that altitude? how come we've not actually heard any of the calls only about them, hmmmmm?
#57. To: Dead Corpse (#55)
#58. To: Dead Corpse (#55)
#59. To: aristeides (#53)
#60. To: Christine (#56)
Cell phones
#61. To: BTP Holdings (#43)
#62. To: Dead Corpse (#61)
Not one that wouldn't involve so many people that there would have been massive leaks of info by now.
#63. To: Dead Corpse (#61)
#64. To: swarthyguy (#60)
#65. To: Dead Corpse (#61)
There was no conspiracy by our Government.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#66. To: aristeides (#62)
I think you underestimate the effectiveness of the compartmentalization of information.
#67. To: mehitable (#63)
#68. To: Dead Corpse (#64)
#69. To: Dead Corpse (#61)
All they needed to know for the Towers was the beacon freq, plug that into their Autopilot, and make one last minute course change to aim down a couple floors.
#70. To: aristeides (#62)
compartmentalization of information.
#71. To: Dead Corpse (#67)
#72. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#69)
#73. To: aristeides, Dead Corpse (#71)
Dead Corpse
#74. To: All (#72)
#75. To: aristeides (#71)
But why is your mind made up?
#76. To: robin (#73)
It could have something to do with his name.
#77. To: mehitable (#74)
#78. To: aristeides (#77)
#79. To: Dead Corpse (#67)
Correction. I haven't read all of the conspiracy crap. Nor do I intend to. I don't need to eat a spoonful of sh*t to know that I'm not going to enjoy the taste.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02] More and more of our imports come from overseas. - George W. Bush
#80. To: Dead Corpse (#76)
#81. To: mehitable (#78)
#82. To: Dead Corpse (#76)
No wonder you fell for the conspiracy nuts lies.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02] More and more of our imports come from overseas. - George W. Bush
#83. To: RickyJ (#79)
I don't read that conspiracy crap put out by the government either. Any one with half a brain can see 9/11 was an inside job.
#84. To: mehitable (#72)
#85. To: RickyJ (#82)
Robin has not fallen for any lies. The USA government did 9/11. If you can't see that then you are not intelligent enough to have a conversation with.
#86. To: Dead Corpse, robin (#76)
Trite. Thoughtless. And juvenile.
#87. To: Dead Corpse (#55)
#88. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#86)
Get a sense of humor. This "asshole-and-lovin'-it" pose isn't winning you any friends here.
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