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Title: 13 states and two countries throw support behind Mexican lawsuit against gun makers
Source: The Hill via Yahoo
URL Source: https://www.yahoo.com/news/13-state ... countries-throw-181345654.html
Published: Feb 2, 2022
Author: The Hill
Post Date: 2022-02-02 23:50:22 by Dakmar
Keywords: None
Views: 440
Comments: 10

Two Central American countries, 12 U.S. states and the District of Columbia are supporting a lawsuit filed in U.S. federal court by Mexico against gun manufacturers for allegedly marketing their products to criminal organizations.

Antigua and Barbuda, a Caribbean island state, and Belize, the only English-speaking Central American country, on Monday filed an amicus brief supporting Mexico's claims.

"Violent crime has gravely harmed [Latin American and Caribbean] nations and their citizens, especially in recent years. A substantial portion of this violence has been perpetrated using firearms unlawfully trafficked from the United States," wrote attorneys for the two countries in the brief.

"Unlawful trafficking of American firearms must be curtailed at its source: the U.S. gun industry. The gun manufacturers and distributors from a single nation must not be permitted to hold hostage the law-abiding citizens of an entire region of the world," they added.

The lawsuit's defendants include gun manufacturers Smith & Wesson, Barret, Beretta, Colt, Glock, Sturm and Ruger & Co.

The Mexican government on Monday countered a motion to dismiss the lawsuit filed by the defendants based on the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act.

"Defendants design and manufacture weapons of war, then market and sell them in ways they know routinely arm the drug cartels in Mexico," wrote attorneys for the Mexican government.

"Defendants' motion to dismiss the Complaint seeks impunity for this conduct. They deny that they help move their guns into Mexico, and they contend that, even if they do, the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act ("PLCAA") precludes this lawsuit," they added.


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Countersuit: I live in the USA, foreign nationals from plaintiff countries have caused more damage to me and my quality of life than have been suffered by plaintiffs.

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#1. To: Dakmar (#0)

Mexicans are dying precisely because law abiding Mexicans are unarmed while the cartels are. They better be prepared to prove their argument in court.

Pinguinite  posted on  2022-02-03   0:00:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Pinguinite, Dakmar. (#1)

Mexicans make MP5s under license from the manufacturer. Those guns have been used by the Cartels but Mexico is not suing Heckler & Koch

Horse  posted on  2022-02-03   0:42:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Horse, 4um (#6)

Mexicans make MP5s under license from the manufacturer.

Maybe I should fly down there. MP5s are OK. Maybe I can pick up a Suzuki Jimny while I'm there.

Esso  posted on  2022-02-03   1:10:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Esso (#7)

I don't like MP5s. They are strictly close range.

Horse  posted on  2022-02-03   1:14:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Horse (#8) (Edited)

I don't like MP5s. They are strictly close range.

I've got a Springfield Armory M1A Super Match (.308) w/ART4 scope rifle. It'd probably break my glass hands. I can handle 9mm better at my age.

WORLD RECORD 1000 yard shot with a 9mm Hand Gun! | S&W 929 by Jerry Miculek

(Edit) Jerry mentioned the term "beaten zone", that's a heavy machine gunner's term meaning where most of the bullets are basically falling on the target. If you look at an old M60, it had an adjustable blade rear sight on it for range. A kilometer out you're pointing at the sky with a 9mm, it's going to have a trajectory like a rainbow. Same thing with .308 or 50BMG, not quite as much. Shots out to 2km aren't unheard of, but rare.

1000 yds = 0.57 (half+) mile
1 km = 0.62 (5/8) mile = 1094 yards

(Edit) I'm in an urban environment, I can't see more than a hundred yards in any direction.

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