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Title: FBI Seized Family's Assets Without a Single Charge, All Because Amazon Claims the Dad Wasn't Giving 'Honest Services'
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URL Source: https://www.westernjournal.com/fbi- ... -wasnt-giving-honest-services/
Published: Feb 22, 2022
Author: Grant Atkinson
Post Date: 2022-02-22 10:55:49 by Ada
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Views: 370
Comments: 17

The life-changing experience of one Seattle, Washington, family is shining light on a practice being abused by federal officials.

According to Reason, Carl Nelson was working as a real estate transaction manager for Amazon. He lived with his wife, Amy Sterner Nelson, and their four daughters in a home in West Seattle.

Yet the family’s life was turned upside down when the FBI suddenly seized nearly $1 million from them over an unproven allegation. Advertisement - story continues below

In April 2020, federal agents arrived at the Nelson’s house to inform them Amazon had accused Carl Nelson of not providing “honest services,” Reason reported.

Specifically, Amazon alleged Nelson provided extra benefits or deals for certain companies that in turn provided him illegal kickbacks. Nelson has continually denied the allegations. Trending: Biden's Ambassador to Germany in Hot Water for Photo with Man Dressed as a Suicide Bomber

“That never happened and is exactly why I’ve fought as long and hard as I have,” Nelson said, according to Reason. “It’s that simple.”

Sadly for the Nelson family, the FBI did not need a conviction when they arrived at the family’s residence in 2020. They were allowed to seize approximately $892,000 in funds from the family. Advertisement - story continues below

“We went from living a life where we were both working full-time to provide for our four daughters to really figuring out how we were going to make it month to month,” Amy Nelson said. “It’s completely changed my belief in fairness.”

According to Reason, the FBI seized funds that did not even come from Carl Nelson, the alleged criminal. Instead, they took money from “nearly every corner of the Nelson’s world,” including savings from Amy Nelson that she accrued during her time as an attorney. Do you feel that civil asset forfeiture unethical? Yes No Completing this poll entitles you to The Western Journal news updates free of charge. You may opt out at anytime. You also agree to our Privacy Policy and Terms of Use.

The FBI agreed last week to a settlement that would return $525,000 to the Nelson family, while the family would have to forfeit $109,000, Reason reported. The rest of the money has gone towards court fees.

Even so, this will hardly help life go back to normal, Amy said. The family has already been forced to sell their house and car, liquidate retirement savings and move into Amy’s sister’s basement. They were forced to remove their four daughters from the Seattle school they attended.

According to Bloomberg, Amy was forced to close the Riveter, a co-working start up that she founded focused on helping women. In addition, Amy said Carl is still embroiled in a massive lawsuit, and the $525,000 will likely go to attorney’s fees. Advertisement - story continues below

“It’s hard,” Amy said, according to Reason. “Not much has changed for us.”

Amy set up a GoFundMe to help the family try and survive such difficult times. As of Monday, it had raised about $70,000. Related: Trump Reveals the Very Moment He Knew Democrats Were Spying on Him: 'The Wires Were Burning Up!'

Almost two years after the FBI seizure, Amazon has still not levied a single criminal charge against Carl, Reason reported. However, a civil case Amazon brought against Carl and another former employee has seen plenty of drama in its own right.

According to The Wall Street Journal, U.S. District Court Judge Liam O’Grady removed himself from the case in January 2022 after it was revealed that his wife held $22,000 in Amazon stock during the case. O’Grady had ruled in Amazon’s favor since the case began about 20 months prior. Advertisement - story continues below

O’Grady said he was reluctant to leave the case because his wife sold the stock in December, and he had previously denied knowledge of his wife’s holdings.

“However, perception of the fair administration of justice — both by the public and by the parties in the case — is of the highest importance to the Court,” he wrote, according to the Journal.

The Nelson are far from the only ones who have become victims of a practice known as “civil asset forfeiture,” Reason reported.

Americans across the country have had funds or possessions seized by federal officials without being charged with a crime in recent years, and Institute for Justice attorney Dan Alban said the practice has plenty of precedent. Advertisement - story continues below

“Civil forfeiture is quite common,” Alban said according to Reason. “The fact that the government can do this can obviously ruin lives, and it can ruin lives without anyone being convicted of a crime, without anyone even being charged with a crime.”

Alban said civil forfeiture is a very profitable venture for many government agencies.

“The vast majority of seizures and forfeitures … are driven by the profit incentive,” he said. “In most states and at the federal level, police and prosecutors get to keep up to 100 percent of the proceeds. So they just have a very strong incentive to go out and seize whatever they can and try to forfeit it, so that they can supplement their budget.”

Unethical as that may be, the effect the practice has on families is arguably even more concerning, Amy told Reason. Advertisement - story continues below

“If you can’t afford to defend yourself, let alone feed yourself, it becomes complicated.”

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

Had they had their wealth in Crypto, with proper security, funds would not have been seized.

Pinguinite  posted on  2022-02-22   11:13:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

I hate to give them ideas, but I'm surprised the feds haven't been using asset forfeiture against licensed cannabis sellers. Seems like something they would do.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2022-02-22   11:19:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Dakmar (#2)

I'm surprised the feds haven't been using asset forfeiture against licensed cannabis sellers

Well, you are not off the mark.

The FBI and the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department have been committing theft in the name of "civil asset forfeiture" by misuse of traffic stops of armored trucks carrying legitimate loads of cash on their way to depositors. This has been going on for months.

Legalize theft and you will get highway robbery - literally.

Highway Robbery by Cops

randge  posted on  2022-02-22   12:53:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Ada (#0)

Horrible -- all of it! What business was it of Amazon's how this guy did business -- how could it claim to have such information? Being a former employee doesn't seem to do it.

I've been pleading with ppl never to buy via Amazon and if people would refuse to work there too, what a wonderful world it would be.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-02-22   13:33:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pinguinite (#1)

Wouldn't an audit of their finances show how much money they'd put into crypto, which crypto(s) and when?

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-02-22   13:34:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: NeoconsNailed (#5)

If they paid with a credit card, they could, but that would be because of the credit card, not the crypto. As for what cryptos they have, it would depend on whether exchanges cooperated with whatever gov to reveal such secrets (exchanges do the KYC thing) but any private trades of crypto would obfuscate what cryptos are held but EVEN THEN, even if they know which cryptos are yours and which wallets they are in, if they don't know the private keys securing the crypto, then they can't touch it at all. Doesn't matter if you are sitting in a jail cell.

All one needs to do is make sure the private keys are safe and secure.

Pinguinite  posted on  2022-02-22   16:24:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#6)

How is money initially put into crypto -- all using some bank or other commercial (i.e. regulated and snooped on) means, amirite?

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-02-22   17:11:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pinguinite (#6)

All one needs to do is make sure the private keys are safe and secure.

The way things are going, they'll just hold you in stir until you give it up.

When they get tired of that, they'll just beat it out of you.

randge  posted on  2022-02-22   18:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: NeoconsNailed (#7)

How is money initially put into crypto -- all using some bank or other commercial (i.e. regulated and snooped on) means, amirite?

First you get a wallet. Download one of your choice. When you start it for the first time, it creates a wallet for you, basically randomly generating a private key which is a very big number.

When you want to receive some crypto, the wallet will provide you an address, which is another big number but usually with letters mixed in. You can think of it as an email address for crypto transactions.

Then you go to an online exchange that is willing to sell crypto for cash, say a CC payment. You make the payment on line as you would when buying anything else, and as part of the transaction, you provide the crypto deposit address your wallet provided for you. The exchange then transfers the crypto to that address, and when you look into your crypto wallet a short time later, you see your funds have arrived.

When you send crypto, you obtain a crypto address from the party whom you want to send to. You open your wallet, indicate you want ot send crypto. You provide the address you obtained from teh other party, specify the amount to send, and off it goes.

You can repeat as desired to buy more crypto or to trade/exchange crypto with friends and associates.

The private key is what must be kept secret. Anyone who gets it can use it to recreate your wallet and send your crypto to their wallet. While it is a big number, what wallets do is encode that big number into, usually, 12 seemingly random words. You can write them down and store them somewhere safe, or even memorize them. Should your computer crash or be destroyed somehow, you can get a new computer, install the same wallet software, and then do a recovery by typing in your 12 words. They will be translated into the numeric private key and then you have access to your crypto funds again.

Pinguinite  posted on  2022-02-22   19:27:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#9)

Thanks, for that crash course, but I take it the answer is yes -- you can only convert money from a Federal Reserve State into crypto through some corporate means the IRS can detect -- including the amount you put in? Not that that's tne end of the world.

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USA! USA! USA! Bringing you democracy, or else! there were strains of VD that were incurable, and they were first found in the Philippines and then transmitted to the Korean working girls via US military. The 'incurables' we were told were first taken back to a military hospital in the Philippines to quietly die. – 4um

NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-02-22   19:40:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: NeoconsNailed (#10)

Maybe you want to manage this through a bank outside that system.

internationalwealth.info/...rrency-en/crypto-banking- offshore-a-solution-for-small-investors/

Tell us how that works out - or not.

randge  posted on  2022-02-22   20:25:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: randge, 4um (#11)

I'll just keep plugging along with my metals while hoping that I never need to use them.

“ On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron. ” ~ H. L. Mencken

Lod  posted on  2022-02-22   21:06:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#1)

Gov would have argued that their having their wealth in crypto constituted prima facie evidence of their guilt.

StraitGate  posted on  2022-02-22   21:50:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: randge (#8)

Yep. Any thief can easily open the most secure home safe in the world -- by simply holding a gun to your wife's head.

StraitGate  posted on  2022-02-22   21:56:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: NeoconsNailed (#10)

Thanks, for that crash course, but I take it the answer is yes -- you can only convert money from a Federal Reserve State into crypto through some corporate means the IRS can detect -- including the amount you put in?

Or you could buy it from someone like me. The beauty of it is that it's a currency, or can be, so you can get some from anyone else who already has it. Sell them a watch. Mow their lawn. Drive them to town. Trade anything you have, good or service, to them in exchange for some crypto.

Once someone buys crypto and puts it into circulation, the gov effectively loses track of it. Now most crypto is trackable, but by default, still anonymous. That is to say, anyone can get on the internet and see the blockchain records and follow a bitcoin as it transacts from one wallet to another, but the blockchain does not contain any identifying information about who controls these wallets.

To find that out, they need to do detective work "above ground" as it were by asking crypto exchanges if any of the wallets are theirs. They did recently nail some hackers involved in a crypto heist some 5 years ago by doing that -- something good that law enforcement actually did.

There are, however, a few popular cryptos that are structured differently so they are not so easily trackable on the blockchain. They are privacy cryptos. ZCash, Monero and Dash are all privacy based.

But any crypto is better than credit cards, bank xfers and the like.

Pinguinite  posted on  2022-02-22   22:30:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Pinguinite (#15)

How many mowings would it take to reach 10 thou worth ;)

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NeoconsNailed  posted on  2022-02-23   10:41:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: NeoconsNailed, 4um (#16)

How many mowings would it take to reach 10 thou worth ;)

200 for my yard.

The light that burns twice as bright, burns half as long. - Dr. Eldon Tyrell

Godfrey Smith: Mike, I wouldn't worry. Prosperity is just around the corner.
Mike Flaherty: Yeah, it's been there a long time. I wish I knew which corner.
My Man Godfrey (1936)

Esso  posted on  2022-02-23   11:08:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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