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Title: The Secret Teachings of Ayn Rand
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URL Source: http://home.att.net/~bob.wallace/secret-teachings.html
Published: May 14, 2006
Author: Bob Wallace
Post Date: 2006-05-14 11:13:17 by YertleTurtle
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People occasionally ask me, "If you’re a libertarian, why do you dislike so much of Ayn Rand’s writings?" This is a valid question, since she has had such influence on libertarianism (in my opinion, very much an excessive and not altogether a positive one). I answer, "It’s because of her secret teachings." This usually piques their interest. I have to start with the myth of the Garden of Eden to explain why I have such a low opinion of Rand’s philosophy. In it, when God catches Adam and Eve breaking the rules, Adam points his finger at Eve and says, "She made me do it!" Eve points her finger at the serpent and says, "Well, he’s the one who made me do it." What Adam and Eve are doing is scapegoating; Adam scapegoats Eve and Eve scapegoats the serpent. It’s saying, "I’m blameless; it’s all your fault." And in some versions of the story scapegoating is what gets them kicked out of the Garden of Eden and brings evil into the world. The psychiatrist M. Scott Peck, in his book, The People of the Lie, writes that scapegoating is involved in "the genesis of human evil... [s]capegoating works through a mechanism psychiatrists call projection... [people] project evil onto the world," he writes. The Nazis and the Socialists were 20th century scapegoaters par excellence. They blamed all their problems on Jews, Christians, Eastern Europeans, capitalists, kulaks...the list unrolls. Estimates of the deaths in 20th century wars range up to 200 million. When you project all your problems onto others – turn them into bad people – what is the most extreme solution? Kill them, of course. The psychiatrists Melanie Klein and Joan Riviere wrote this about projection, "The first and the most fundamental of our insurances or safety measures against feelings of pain, of being attacked, or of helplessness-one from which so many others spring – is that device we call projection. All painful and unpleasant sensations and feelings in the mind are by this device automatically relegated outside oneself...[W]e blame them on someone else. [Insofar] as such destructive forces are recognized in ourselves we claim that they have come there arbitrarily and by some external agency...[P]rojection is the baby’s first reaction to pain and it probably remains the most spontaneous reaction in all of us to any painful feeling throughout our lives." When you project evil onto others you no longer see them as people; you see them as things. It makes them easier to kill. It’s human sacrifice, really. We have to kill all those people to save ourselves! And those sacrificed are always innocent. The worst human sacrifice is war, with its victims being fed to the pagan idol known as the State. Seeing people as things is the essence of narcissism. Peck wrote this about narcissism, "Since [narcissists] deep down, feel themselves to be faultless, it is inevitable that when they are in conflict with the world they will invariably perceive the conflict as the world’s fault. Since they must deny their own badness, they must perceive others as bad. They project their own evil onto the world. They never think of themselves as evil, on the other hand, they consequently see much evil in others." Peck was writing about those who are clinically narcissists, but we’re all narcissistic, in greater or lesser degree. We’re all imperfect. Whenever people get angry at others, don’t they almost always, however briefly, see the other person as bad – the one who "made me mad"? (You need look no further than O.J. Simpson.) Our narcissism is what makes us so susceptible to the three main traits of propaganda: appealing to peoples’ emotions (but make them think you’re appealing to their reason); demonizing (or scapegoating) the enemy; and leading people to believe once the enemy is destroyed things will be just fine again. The serpent in Eden is a symbol of envy. He wants to "bring down" Adam and Eve because they are favored by God. What this means is that scapegoating is based on envy (and envy is so closely related to hate they cannot be separated). Envy is so primitive it’s not symbolized by an animal, but instead by a cold-blooded serpent. The story clearly points out scapegoating is childish, indeed infantile (as Thomas Hobbes so perceptively noted, "The evil man is the child grown strong"). Scapegoating is what brings human evil into the world. I never fail to be astonished by this Biblical story. In a few paragraphs it explains the cause of human evil on this planet: narcissism leading to scapegoating, which is caused by envy and hate. It explains human sacrifice. And all of it starts in us when we are very young, even before we are conscious of any of it. It has been backed up by modern psychology, although its explanation is only about 4,000 years overdue. Rand, unfortunately, was a scapegoater who believed in human sacrfice. It can’t be removed from her philosophy without destroying her system. In Atlas Shrugged she had, on one hand, her "perfect" producers, the epitome of which was John Galt (who in his radio rant blames all his problems on everyone else). There are about three dozen of these "perfect" people in Galt’s Gulch. (Gack, it would be such a bore.) But they’re not perfect. No one’s perfect. So where does Rand – unconsciously – project all the evil in the world? Right onto her "looters" and "parasites," all of whom she refers to as "subhumans" living in a "hell." Then she commits genocide and gleefully sacrifices almost the entire population of the world. She projects all hate, rage and envy onto them, scapegoats them, and then engages in a sadistic Hitlerian orgy of hate and destruction and kills off nearly everyone outside of Galt’s Gulch. This is exactly what the Nazis and Socialists tried to do to those they labeled as evil. Rand’s beliefs are based on the same human-sacrifice psychology as Nazism and Socialism: consider yourself perfect, blame all evil on others, and kill all of them to save yourselves, leaving only "Utopia." This is why so many people who admire Rand’s writings still feel vaguely uncomfortable with Atlas Shrugged. How could she so gleefully rub out the entire world? How could she so cold-bloodedly kill innocent children in the infamous train-tunnel-collapse scene? The similarities between Atlas Shrugged and The Turner Diaries are embarrassing. Kill the evil people, who are the cause of our problems. Then goodness will reign. The Turner Diaries is easier to see through because it is a much cruder fantasy and much more poorly written. But substitute "looter" and "parasite" for "black" and "Jew" and the similarities become much more obvious. Rand obviously had something very wrong with her, which she was trying to fix through her writing. The psychiatrist Richard Restak, in his book, The Self Seekers, knew what the problem was: "Homicidal rage is the ultimate measure resorted to in an effort to repair the damaged sense of self." Yikes, that’s the plot of Atlas! All that hate, rage and envy were Rand’s own feelings she projected onto all her "looters." She took to heart the first rule of writing: "write about what you know." She was engaging in self-therapy through writing. Only it didn’t work (the Objectivist psychologist Alan Blumenthal called Objectivism a system of psychotherapy for Rand). She got loonier as she got older (she called herself "the perfect woman" and "the world’s second-greatest philosopher" who had "solved all philosophical problems"). This is a woman who ended up in permanent hostile mode, and certainly wasn’t the ne plus ultra of novelists or philosophers that her fans consider her to be. Her philosophy, Objectivism, is also scapegoating. On the side of righteousness we have "capitalism, reason, and selfishness," and on the side of evil we have "altruism, mysticism and collectivism." The first are all good; the second are all bad. All badness is projected onto the second trio. So it has to be rubbed out. Her opponents aren’t simply mistaken; they’re evil. What confuses a lot of people is the fact her philosophy is mostly an optical illusion caused by her misdefining her terms. This allows her to set her opposing positions up as strawmen to be knocked down with the greatest of ease. She misdefines "altruism" as meaning "being involuntarily forced to help others through the power of the State," and then misdefines "mysticism" as "religion based only on feeling." She also misdefined "selfishness" as meaning "being concerned with one’s welfare" (she lied and said this was the dictionary definition; no one’s ever found that dictionary). Selfishness means "to be excessively preoccupied with one’s own self." . Russell Kirk once wrote, "If you’ll believe in selfishness, you’ll believe in anything." He also wrote that evil is caused by the "monstrous ego," i.e., the bloated, self-absorbed, self-centered, narcissistic Self that sees all other people as things, and which leads straight to scapegoating and human sacrifice. This is why, in the Greek myth of Narcissus, Narcissus could see no one but himself. It’s also why in the end he died. What Rand did was to take a not-well-thought-out defense of libertarianism and place it on a foundation of narcissism and scapegoating. That is what I mean by her "secret teachings." They’re hidden underneath her "libertarianism." Her philosophy is a house built not on rock but on sand. No society based on it could ever exist. It couldn’t even get off of the ground. And according to the definition I gave above, almost all of her writings are clearly propaganda. And what her propaganda overwhelmingly condones is the scapegoating of religion, generosity and "collectivism" not as wrong, but actively evil. It doesn’t surprise me that so many Randroids support the current war; after all, the victims of our bombs aren’t exactly human, according to Objectivism. Obviously, Rand wasn’t the only scapegoater in the world. In the US we’ve scapegoated alcohol and drinkers, and failed at Prohibition; currently we’re scapegoating drug users and sellers and are clapping them into prison by the hundreds of thousands. It won’t work, either. The US government is engaging in scapegoating other countries and their leaders (especially Saddam Hussein, who was originally armed and financed by the CIA), so we’re apparently stumbling into WWIII, the way we stumbled into WWI and WWII. The Right is supposedly much more mature than the Left (and the Left is positively infantile), but that refers to the Old Right, which today is represented by the libertarians. Currently "rightism" pretty much means anything you want it to mean. It has been hijacked by the neo-cons, who are essentially leftists but too stupid to know it. And they are scapegoaters when it comes to the expansion of the American Empire. First they tried to fool the American public by scapegoating China and starting a war with it. After 9/11 it was Osama bin Laden and the Taliban (never mind the fact that bin Laden and the Taliban, like Hussein, used to be our allies and were financed and equipped by the CIA). Now they’re trying to scapegoat Iran, Iraq and North Korea. I know what Saddam Hussein is. He’s an evil man and a brutal, murdering thug and dictator. So are the Saudis (who created and financed the Wahabis) but I don’t see the State scapegoating them. The mass of people always get the government they deserve. Certain individuals, who are aware of what’s going, certainly don’t get the government they want, however. We can conquer other countries and install new governments, but until the people change their hearts and minds, things won’t change. We haven’t changed a thing in the warlord mentality in Afghanistan. Americans seem to have problems understanding there are people in the world who have truly alien mentalities, that they’re not potential Americans who just happen to be handicapped with funny clothes and bad haircuts. It appears one of the inherent characteristics of the State is that it is scapegoating; it’s always seeking enemies – whether foreign or domestic – to destroy. The only explanation I can currently think of is its obsession with "security" – with sacrificing the "evil" to save itself. It’s a fake security, to be sure (the bazillions on defense and "intelligence" failed utterly to stop several deluded, gullible fanatics from bringing down two skyscrapers), and certainly a "security" that is always at the expense of liberty and community (which are the only true sources of security and order). The degenerate "traditions" of the State are, unfortunately, always opposed (and therefore damaging) to the traditions of society. Which is why the larger the State grows, the more backward civilization becomes. Since scapegoating is something that we do unconsciously, it’s necessary to become conscious of it. It helps to know how propaganda is based on scapegoating, so we can defend ourselves against it. Timothy McVeigh, who was influenced by the propaganda of The Turner Diaries, never had a clue. Neither did the guys at the controls of the airplanes that flew into the WTC,. or the overwhelming majority of soldiers who have throughout history marched off to unnecessary wars in foreign countries. Any philosophy that I come across, the first thing I ask: is it scapegoating? Nazism, Communism, Socialism, liberalism, Objectivism...and of course the Neo-Consters. All are scapegoaters. All believe in human sacrifice, although they don’t know it and certainly wouldn’t believe it. Do those Gaia-worshippers who see humans as a blight on the Earth understand they’re engaging in pagan worship and want to sacrifice people? Nope, of course they don’t. Religion has traditionally considered the attempt to create a"perfect" world to be blasphemy. I now understand why. Trying to be "perfect" always involves scapegoating others and sacrificing them to the worst aspects of human nature. Before Adolph Eichmann got his neck stretched he explained, "I was an idealist." This means every attempt at a perfect world will sooner or later lead to genocide. We ignore the lessons from the story of the Garden at Eden at our very great peril.
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#1. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Absolutely stunning, thank you. I've always derided objectivism as orthodox individualism. Most of her books would be about thirteen pages if tou took out everything repetative.
It's Talmudism for goys.
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
"So many"? Who, not me. LOL, where does that happen? It doesn't. By far, this is your most ridiculous accusation. I suggest you reread the book. What kills the passengers is a politician from our failed system. Rand merely points out the serve consequence of a corrupt socialist society "The Taggart Comet breaks down in the mountains of Colorado, stranding a train full of passengers. Replacement diesel engines aren’t available, only a coal burner that isn’t safe to navigate through the lengthy tunnel on the Comet’s route. Kip Chalmers, a prominent politician riding the Comet on his way to a rally in San Francisco, bullies the railroad employees into bringing the coal-burning engine despite the risks involved. The coal burner is attached, and the worst possible result occurs: Passengers and crew are asphyxiated in the tunnel. An army munitions train, running off its normal schedule, slams into the stalled Comet in the tunnel. Its armament detonates, bringing tons of mountainside down on the Taggart Tunnel." http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/LitNote/id-7,pageNum-55.html
I could never reconcile the militarism with libertarianism. It's basically a belief system for people too lazy to think, a sort of scientology for contrarians.
Nope, sorry, Rand's the author of the book: she killed them. Fictional characters don't kill anyone; it's not possible, although in the hallucinations of Randroids, there is no difference between real life and the chaos in their heads. Speaking of reading the book, Rand referred to everyone outside Galt's Gulch as "subhumans" living in "hell." It's clear she wanted them all dead. That's why the book (I cringe to use the word "novel") is about genocide.
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
Speaking of reading the book, Rand referred to everyone outside Galt's Gulch as "subhumans" living in "hell." It's clear she wanted them all dead. That's why the book (I cringe to use the word "novel") is about genocide. Nonsense, two paragraphs of nonsense.
There are two kinds of people who've read Rand: those who've read her, understand her, and know her "philosohy" is an incipient horror, then are those, such as yourself, who've read her, don't understand her, and think she's the greatest writer ever. As I just wrote, Objectivism is Talmudism for goys. Rand was an atheist secular Jew (like the neocons) who conned all the dumb goys into thinking she created the greatest philosopy ever. Here's an example: "Judaic symbolism, of which there's quite a bit in Atlas Shrugged. One of these symbols, from the Talmud, goes right to the heart of the story: to continue to exist, the world needs always to have thirty-six Just Men, or righteous individuals. These hidden saints, Lamed-Vav Tzaddikim or Lamed-vavniks, who in ordinary times work at ordinary simple jobs, correspond to the individuals named as residing in Galt's Gulch in Atlas Shrugged." As for socialism, you know nothing about it, either. I don't support it, but it works in exactly one place in the world: extreme northern Europe, because everyone there is white, culturally homogenous, and highly intelligent and educated. Also, you're not one of those who would be in Gult's Gulch. You'd be one of the subhumans damned to the outer hell. And if you don't think she used the terms "subhumans" living in "hell" in the book, then read it until you find them.
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
extremely weak argument. here, the author switches context, and reverts to a 'primacy of consciousness' method of identifying reality. so, parasites, those who take unearned wealth from others by force of a gun, are now magically 'scapegoats', meaning they're not REALLY to blame for draining a society of its physical and intellectual capital. quite a sophmoric little piece, very easy to demolish. speaks volumes about the grasp of logic and identification for any twit who would parrot such nonsense.... like an elephant with a brush trying to explain the theory of composition to michealangelo
'We shall no longer hang on to the tails of public opinion, or to a non-existent authority, on matters utterly unknown and strange. We shall gradually become experts ourselves in the mastery of the knowledge of the future.' ~ Wilhelm Reich
so, the method of identifying a threat to ones means of existence, wealth, is now called 'projection'.... this piece of fishwrap should have been written by marx himself. (all this article represents is an altruistic/socialist septic tank of thought, designed to negate ones clear identification of evil...to attempt to equate the ever popular, emotionally charged buzzword 'nazi' with those who see socialism as a threat is pathetically juvenile and demonstrates a clear lack of even basic logic, much less intellect as a whole)
'We shall no longer hang on to the tails of public opinion, or to a non-existent authority, on matters utterly unknown and strange. We shall gradually become experts ourselves in the mastery of the knowledge of the future.' ~ Wilhelm Reich
I understand her philosophy and yes, she is a great writer I’m not an expert on “Judaic symbolism” but I think you’re reading a bit too much into the story. If you think John Galt, Ragnar Danneskjold , Hank Rearden, Hugh Akston, Ellis Wyatt and Midas Mulligan portrayed Jewish stereotypes, you’re way off base and it is you not I that had problems understanding the book. I’ll agree that the character Francisco d’Anconia could have been Jewish, so what. In the book Francisco was a hero by any definition of the word. Not true, I’ve lived in a socialist country and I’ve seen it’s results in the ex-Soviet Union with my own eyes. And neither are you. The inhabitants of Galt’s Gulch were all industrialists or great movers and shakers in their professions. More importantly, Galt’s Gulch represented a society where moral individuals could practice their professions without government intervention. The keyword is moral Don’t be so sure. I’ve got my own escape plan working as we speak, I’m just running behind schedule. The handwriting has been on the wall in this country for 25+ years, I’ve been one of the few to actually read it.
Where did I say that? I didn't
I've read Atlas Shrugged, and The Fountainhead. Boring books, but there are some truth to them. The idea of sucking a dick to get what you want is abhorrent, and it should be. Nobody should be beholden to anyone on the basis of genetics. The idea that Rand was a Nazi, or someone who believed in Ethnic cleansing is an absolute joke. I've read two of her books, and figured out that plodding through another one would simply be like watching Titanic for the second time. You know what's coming, and it's not going to be any more interesting than the first time you saw it. Rand is an author whom you have to put your BS filter on for. Some of the stuff you read is good, some of it is horseshit. Just like the Bible, or any other book, it's what you take away from it that makes it what it is.
#2. To: Dakmar (#1)
I've always derided objectivism as orthodox individualism
#3. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
This is why so many people who admire Rand’s writings still feel vaguely uncomfortable with Atlas Shrugged. How could she so gleefully rub out the entire world? How could she so cold-bloodedly kill innocent children in the infamous train-tunnel-collapse scene?
How could she so gleefully rub out the entire world?
How could she so cold-bloodedly kill innocent children in the infamous train-tunnel-collapse scene?
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#4. To: YertleTurtle (#2)
#5. To: Flintlock (#3)
By far, this is your most ridiculous accusation. I suggest you reread the book. What kills the passengers is a politician from our failed system. Rand merely points out the serve consequence of a corrupt socialist society
#6. To: YertleTurtle (#5)
Nope, sorry, Rand's the author of the book: she killed them. Fictional characters don't kill anyone; it's not possible, although in the hallucinations of Randroids, there is no difference between real life and the chaos in their heads.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#7. To: Flintlock (#6)
Nonsense, two paragraphs of nonsense.
#8. To: Flintlock (#6)
#9. To: Flintlock (#3)
when you project evil onto others you no longer see them as people; you see them as things.
#10. To: YertleTurtle (#7)
There are two kinds of people who've read Rand: those who've read her, understand her, and know her "philosohy" is an incipient horror, then are those, such as yourself, who've read her, don't understand her, and think she's the greatest writer ever.
"Judaic symbolism, of which there's quite a bit in Atlas Shrugged. One of these symbols, from the Talmud, goes right to the heart of the story: to continue to exist, the world needs always to have thirty-six Just Men, or righteous individuals. These hidden saints, Lamed-Vav Tzaddikim or Lamed-vavniks, who in ordinary times work at ordinary simple jobs, correspond to the individuals named as residing in Galt's Gulch in Atlas Shrugged."
(and no, I'm not Jewish or part Jewish) As for socialism, you know nothing about it, either.
Also, you're not one of those who would be in Gult's Gulch.
You'd be one of the subhumans damned to the outer hell.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#11. To: gengis gandhi (#8)
so, parasites, those who take unearned wealth from others by force of a gun, are now magically 'scapegoats', meaning they're not REALLY to blame for draining a society of its physical and intellectual capital.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#12. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
 | What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?. |
#13. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Oh sure, Ayn Rand maintained some super-secret cryptic code that only her most loyal fans could possibly understand. But despite this vain attempt to dispel one of our fine 20th century philosophical thinkers, where has her concepts been utilized within modern governmental structures? Rhetorically, nowhere upon this planet. The author needs a beating and damnation as being a fucking liar.
"It’s because of her secret teachings."
#14. To: Dakmar (#1)
Whats wrong with that? No need to answer as I already know, you want to suck the teat of government subsidies at the expense of others.
I've always derided objectivism as orthodox individualism.
#15. To: buckeroo, YertleTurtle (#13)
He is the author.
The author needs a beating and damnation as being a fucking liar.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#16. To: YertleTurtle (#2)
You are an excellent example of an absolute idiot to make a comment like that. You remind me of someone that completely missed the bus and raised his purchased ticket as some sort of reason towards your own responsibilities for missing the bus to begin with.
It's [Ayn Rand's Objectivism] Talmudism for goys.
#17. To: Flintlock (#11)
that was in reference to the author.
'We shall no longer hang on to the tails of public opinion, or to a non-existent authority, on matters utterly unknown and strange. We shall gradually become experts ourselves in the mastery of the knowledge of the future.' ~ Wilhelm Reich
#18. To: Dakmar (#4)
ROTFL. You have the gall to suggest poly-syllables within a post you don't understand? What are you doing, going to http://dictionary.com and putting words together with the prayer that someone thinks you are pseudo-intellectual? You are way too much.
I could never reconcile the militarism with libertarianism. It's basically a belief system for people too lazy to think, a sort of scientology for contrarians.
#19. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Rand was a very clever, very kooky person. Libertarianism is the philsophy of Greed & Might Makes Right.
What Rand did was to take a not-well-thought-out defense of libertarianism and place it on a foundation of narcissism and scapegoating. That is what I mean by her "secret teachings." They’re hidden underneath her "libertarianism." Her philosophy is a house built not on rock but on sand. No society based on it could ever exist. It couldn’t even get off of the ground.
"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318
#20. To: YertleTurtle (#5)
Ever read Socrates, "The Cave?" No, I thought so. Here, I shall post a review. Republic: Book VII "And now," I said, "let me show in a figure how far our nature is enlightened or unenlightened. Behold! human beings living in an underground den, which has a mouth open toward the light and reaching all along the den; here they have been from their childhood, and have their legs and necks chained so that they cannot move, and can only see before them, being prevented by the chains from turning round their heads. Above and behind them a fire is blazing at a distance, and between the fire and the prisoners there is a raised way; and you will see, if you look, a low wall built along the way, like the screen which marionette players have in front of them, over which they show the puppets." "I see." "And do you see," I said, "men passing along the wall carrying all sorts of vessels, and statues and figures of animals made of wood and stone and various materials, which appear over the wall? Some of them are talking others silent." "You have shown me a strange image, and they are strange prisoners." "Like ourselves," I replied; "and they see only their own shadows, or the shadows of one another, which the fire throws on the opposite wall of the cave?" "True," he said; "how could they see anything but the shadows if they were never allowed to move their heads?" "And of the objects which are being carried in like manner they would only see the shadows?" "Yes," he said. "And if they were able to converse with one another, would they not suppose that they were naming what was actually before them?" "Very true." "And suppose further that the prison had an echo which came from the other side, would they not be sure to fancy when one of the passers-by spoke that the voice which they heard came from the passing shadows?" "No question," he replied. "To them," I said, "the truth would be literally nothing but the shadows of the images." "That is certain." "And now look again, and see what will naturally follow if the prisoners are released and disabused of their error. At first, when any of them is liberated and compelled suddenly to stand up and turn his neck round and walk and look towards the light, he will suffer sharp pains; the glare will distress him, and he will be unable to see the realities of which in his former state he had seen the shadows; and then conceive someone saying to him that what he saw before was an illusion, but that now, when he is approaching nearer to being and his eye is turned towards more real existence, he has a clearer vision - what will be his reply? And you may further imagine that his instructor is pointing to the objects as they pass and requiring him to name them, - will he not be perplexed? Will he not fancy that the shadows which he formerly saw are truer than the objects which are now shown to him?" "Far truer." "And if he is compelled to look straight at the light, will he not have a pain in his eyes which will make him turn away to take refuge in the objects of vision which he can see, and which he will conceive to be in reality clearer that the things which are now being shown to him?" "True," he said. "And suppose once more, that he is reluctantly dragged up a steep and rugged ascent, and held fast until he is forced into the presence of the sun himself, is he not likely to be pained and irritated? When he approaches the light his eyes will be dazzled, and he will not be able to see anything at all of what are now called realities." "Not all in a moment," he said. "He will require to grow accustomed to the sight of the upper world. And first he will see the shadows best, next the reflections of men and others objects in the water, and then the objects themselves; then he will gaze upon the light of the moon and the stars and the spangled heaven; and he will see the sky and the stars by night better than the sun or the light of the sun by day?" "Certainly." "Last of all he will be able to see the sun, and not mere reflections of him in the water, but he will see him in his own proper place, and not in another; and he will contemplate him as he is." "Certainly." "He will then proceed to argue that this is he who gives the season and the years, and is the guardian of all that is in the visible world, and is a certain way the cause of all things which he and his fellows have been accustomed to behold?" "Clearly," he said, "he would first see the sun and then reason about him." "And when he remembered his old habitation, and the wisdom of the den and his fellow prisoners, do you not suppose that he would felicitate himself on the change, and pity them?" "Certainly, he would." "And if they were in the habit of conferring honors among themselves on those who were quickest to observe the passing shadows and to remark which of them went before, and which followed after, and which were together; and who were therefore best able to draw conclusions as to the future, do you think that he would care for such honors and glories, or envy the possessors of them? Would he not say with Homer, 'Better to be the poor servant of a poor master,' and to endure anything, rather than think as they do and live after their manner?" "Yes," he said, "I think that he would rather suffer anything than entertain these false notions and live in this miserable manner." "Imagine once more," I said, "such a one coming suddenly out of the sun to be replaced in his old situation; would he not be certain to have his eyes full of darkness?" "To be sure," he said. "And if there were a contest, and he had to compete in measuring the shadows with the prisoners who had never moved out of the den, while his sight was still weak, and before his eyes had become steady (and the time which would be needed to acquire this new habit of sight might be very considerable), would he not be ridiculous? Men would say of him that up he went and down he came without his eyes; and that it was better not even to think of ascending; and if any one tried to loose another and lead him up to the light, let them only catch the offender, and they would put him to death." "No question," he said. "This entire allegory," I said, "you may now append, dear Glaucon, to the previous argument; the prison house is the world of sight, the light of the fire is the sun, and you will not misapprehend me if you interpret the journey upwards to be the ascent of the soul into the intellectual world according to my poor belief, which, at your desire, I have expressed - whether rightly of wrongly, God knows. But, whether true or false, my opinion is that in the world of knowledge the idea of good appears last of all, and is seen only with an effort; and, when seen, is also inferred to be universal author of all things beautiful and right, parent of light and of the lord of light in this visible world, and the immediate source of reason and truth in the intellectual; and that this is the power upon which he who would act rationally either in public or private life must have his eye fixed." "I agree," he said, "as far as I am able to understand you." "Moreover," I said, "you must not wonder that those who attain to this beatific vision are unwilling to descend to human affairs; for their souls are never hastening into the upper world where they desire to dwell; which desire of theirs is very natural, if our allegory may be trusted." "Yes, very natural." "And is there anything surprising in one who passes from divine contemplations to the evil state of man, misbehaving himself in a ridiculous manner; if, while his eyes are blinking and before he has become accustomed to the surrounding darkness, he is compelled to fight in courts of law, or in other places, about the images or the shadows of images of justice, and is endeavoring to meet the conceptions of those who have never yet seen absolute justice?" "Anything but surprising," he replied. Speaking of reading the book, Rand referred to everyone outside Galt's Gulch as "subhumans" living in "hell."
Allegory of the Cave By Socrates Written by Plato
#21. To: peteatomic (#19)
Nonsense How did you come to that ridiculous conclusion?
Libertarianism is the philsophy of Greed & Might Makes Right.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#22. To: gengis gandhi (#9)
I think GWBush agrees with your perspective. He uses, choice politically correct words, however. Stuff, only a Texan can understand, like "preconception." It fits nicely with you.
so, the method of identifying a threat to ones means of existence, wealth, is now called 'projection'....
#23. To: Flintlock (#21)
Libertarianism is Hobbesian to its very core.
"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318
#24. To: Flintlock (#10)
I couldn't agree with you more. The fabric of this nation has been corrupted NOT because of Ayn Rand ... but moreover the new definitions of and about our "democracy." There are no serious thinkers running the ship. And, they are not guided by Ayn Rand, that's assured pal.
The handwriting has been on the wall in this country for 25+ years, I’ve been one of the few to actually read it.
#25. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Myth my ass. A fool has said in his heart their is no God. Those who deny Jesus will burn in hell. Hope you wake up Yertle.
I have to start with the myth of the Garden of Eden
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
#26. To: Dakmar (#4)
Evilution right.
It's basically a belief system for people too lazy to think,
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
#27. To: buckeroo (#22)
it refers to the statists neologisms or redefining words to reach their agenda. calling a parasite a scapegoat is an example of this...altrusism is 'good'....self interest is 'evil'..... a scapegoat is one who is blamed unfairly....a parasite is one who survives on the means of others. so, if you don't want the state to tax you, you are simply projecting your fears, and that says more about you than the objective threat you face. if you had less money after they dealt with you, thats a parasite. if you blame a group not liable for the action, thats a scapegoat. is there something here you disagree with?
'We shall no longer hang on to the tails of public opinion, or to a non-existent authority, on matters utterly unknown and strange. We shall gradually become experts ourselves in the mastery of the knowledge of the future.' ~ Wilhelm Reich
#28. To: Flintlock (#10)
planning on costa this summer. any info on belize? heard cost of living is pretty good. i figure its all the same, at least there you can pay someone off legit, rather than having to dick with a bunch of forms and bureacrats.
'We shall no longer hang on to the tails of public opinion, or to a non-existent authority, on matters utterly unknown and strange. We shall gradually become experts ourselves in the mastery of the knowledge of the future.' ~ Wilhelm Reich
#29. To: gengis gandhi (#27)
Can you get down to my humble level and use words that complete a sentence structure while not using poly-syables? So far, on this thread I find you a babbling idiot.
it refers to the statists neologisms or redefining words to reach their agenda.
#30. To: gengis gandhi (#28)
Overpriced, overrated,100% rookie move Mainland is a buggy swamp filled with incorrigible negros
planning on costa this summer.
any info on belize?
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#31. To: peteatomic (#23)
Hobbesian? I admit I don't know what that is. In the mean time, I'll keep supporting Ron Paul and Mike Badnarik.
Libertarianism is Hobbesian to its very core.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#32. To: buckeroo (#24)
They're being guided my Leon Trotsky and his neocon philosophy.
" There are no serious thinkers running the ship. And, they are not guided by Ayn Rand, that's assured pal.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#33. To: buckeroo (#14)
Gee, buck, I didn't realise there were people who needed rules on how to be invidualistic. I have no idea what the rest of your post is supposed to mean, I work for a living and always have. ps: go fuck youself, you retarded scab of a human.
Whats wrong with that? [orthodox indicivualism]
#34. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#12)
She has a tendency to demonise those not in complete agreement with her on even minor points, one of the classic cult techniques, and very authoritarian in my opinion. There is no give and take with her, you are either 100% with her or are the enemy. Who else do we know like that?
The idea that Rand was a Nazi, or someone who believed in Ethnic cleansing is an absolute joke.
#35. To: Dakmar (#33)
Poor puppy. What do want me to do, celebrate your stated concept of, "I am an individual" or applaud the fact that you can't state a point with clarity? You are so touching. And here it's Mom's Day; as is usual no respect from the cretins.
I have no idea what the rest of your post is supposed to mean, I work for a living and always have.
#36. To: Dakmar (#34)
Any chance of making this multiple choice? It seems awful hard.
There is no give and take with her, you are either 100% with her or are the enemy. Who else do we know like that?
#37. To: buckeroo (#35)
Why, are you a mother, fucker?
And here it's Mom's Day; as is usual no respect from the cretins.
#38. To: Esso (#36)
a) George
b) Dubya
c) Bush.
#39. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#12)
Rand was not a Nazi, but she rabidly supported Israel and considered Palestinians sub-human.
The idea that Rand was a Nazi, or someone who believed in Ethnic cleansing is an absolute joke.
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
#40. To: A K A Stone (#25)
You don't know what "myth" means. It doesn't mean "untrue": it means "universally true, and applies to everyone."
Myth my ass
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
#41. To: Dakmar (#38)
Ah, I see. Is the answer Bill Clinton?
#42. To: Esso (#41)
Well, he does secretly run the Bush Empire.
#43. To: buckeroo (#16)
It's [Ayn Rand's Objectivism] Talmudism for goys. You are an excellent example of an absolute idiot to make a comment like that. You remind me of someone that completely missed the bus and raised his purchased ticket as some sort of reason towards your own responsibilities for missing the bus to begin with. Talmud: Jews human, everyone else non-human. Objectivism: Objectivists human, everyone else non-human. Exactly where do you think Rand, a Jew, got her philosophy from? And why do you think so many Jews have fallen for it? Nearly her entire core of early followers were Jews.
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
#44. To: Flintlock, YertleTurtle (#15)
Of this shit house wall thread? My my ...
He is the author.
#45. To: buckeroo (#20)
Yes, I read it many years ago. If you are comparing this allegory to Rand, believing she "opens peoples' eyes," you are mistaken. She closes them; that's why her followers are fanatics. Fanatics are always blind. Now, if you want your eyes truly opened, study the article I wrote, and someday you might have an epiphany and realize what I wrote is exactly true.
Ever read Socrates, "The Cave?" No, I thought so. Here, I shall post a review.
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
#46. To: YertleTurtle (#45)
Now, if you want your eyes truly opened, study the article I wrote, and someday you might have an epiphany and realize what I wrote is exactly true.
You are an arrogant bastard, aren't you?
#47. To: buckeroo (#46)
If Rand was alive today, she'd be a neocon, urging you to die for Israel while she stayed home and wrote bad novels. Sucker!!!!!
You are an arrogant bastard, aren't you?
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
#48. To: Flintlock (#30)
bolivia then or how bout panama?
'We shall no longer hang on to the tails of public opinion, or to a non-existent authority, on matters utterly unknown and strange. We shall gradually become experts ourselves in the mastery of the knowledge of the future.' ~ Wilhelm Reich
#49. To: gengis gandhi (#48)
Skip Panama, pricey and a crime problem Bolivia cheap and laid back with a pay as you go legal system.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#50. To: YertleTurtle, buckeroo (#47)
I think you've got that completely wrong. IMO, if Rand were alive today, she'd be horrified by our loss of freedom and calling for Bush's impeachment
If Rand was alive today, she'd be a neocon, urging you to die for Israel while she stayed home and wrote bad novels.
Hey, Meester,wanna meet my seester?
#51. To: Flintlock (#49)
i ordered the rosetta stone spanish 1-3 courses. lemme know if you want a copy. you sound like you can get by already though. one of the best jokes i ever heard was.... oh hell honey...hard can spanish be if all them mexicans can talk it? that was wrong, and i regret it deeply. lets move on, for the children.
'We shall no longer hang on to the tails of public opinion, or to a non-existent authority, on matters utterly unknown and strange. We shall gradually become experts ourselves in the mastery of the knowledge of the future.' ~ Wilhelm Reich
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