Is this the same guy that ran for Congress two(?) years ago from I believe it was PA? I did google, yahoo, and devilfinder search on this spelling: one work of fiction, one page with "John" and Bucannon on it but not together, and several million census hits.
There was a fever over the land. A fever of disgrace, of indignity, of hunger. We had a democracy, yes, but it was torn by elements within. Above all, there was fear. Fear of today, fear of tomorrow, fear of our neighbors, and fear of ourselves.
There was a fever over the land. A fever of disgrace, of indignity, of hunger. We had a democracy, yes, but it was torn by elements within. Above all, there was fear. Fear of today, fear of tomorrow, fear of our neighbors, and fear of ourselves.
Four Bush biographers, Mark Lombardi, J.H. Hatfield, Danny Casalaro, and now Gary Webb--all "suicide" victims. What are the odds all of these people actually committing suicide?
Examining the male U.S.suicide rate for recent years http:// (www.suicidology.org/stats2001/1999datapage2.pdf), we can extrapolate a conservative estimate of 17 male suicides per 100,000 people, or 0.017%. The odds of 4 specific, male biographers committing suicide would be the 4th power of 17/100000, or 8.3521 4.913 x 10^-17...roughly 1 chance 10,000,000,000,000,000. About as good a definition of impossible as you can get. A person would stand a better chance of playing the Canadian lottery 6/49 exactly twice in one's lifetime and winning ther grand jackpot BOTH TIMES! (That is, picking 6 numbers out of 49 possible numbers and matching all 6 numbers out of 6 random draws, on 2 separate occasions, and having only purchased two Canadian lottery tickets ever.) This calculation should be regarded as a conservative estimate: the actual odds against such a "coincidence" would be much greater. For example, if any of the biographers were female, the odds would be even greater.
1. To: Fred Mertz, honway, stpcorup, aristeides, MUDDOG, sneakypete, Wallaby (#0)
FYI.
OKCSubmariner posted on 2004-12-19 23:31:59 ET Reply Trace
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The odds of 4 specific, male biographers committing suicide would be the 4th power of 17/100000, or 8.3521 4.913 x 10^-17...roughly 1 chance 10,000,000,000,000,000. One in ten quadrillion?
Very interesting.
I'd like to see a calculation like this of those who investigated Mena, Arkansas.
xUSMC0311 posted on 2004-12-19 23:33:39 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0) Mark Lombardi (1951-2000) draws on the major political and financial scandals of the day to create large-scale linear diagrams that at first glance look like celestial maps; a closer reading reveals the intricate web of connections that lurk beneath current headlines.
From Whitewater to the Vatican Bank, Lombardi uses dotted lines and broken arrows to chart the paths of illicit deals and laundered money, keeping track of it all in a handwritten database of 12,000 index cards.
WhiteSands posted on 2004-12-19 23:33:53 ET Reply Trace
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Itisa1mosttoolate posted on 2004-12-19 23:34:59 ET Reply Trace
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Soon after publication, Hatfields credibility was challenged. He had been convicted in 1988 for hiring a hit-man in a failed attempt to kill his boss and had served five years in prison.
J.H. Hatfield died of an alleged suicide in July 2001.
WhiteSands posted on 2004-12-19 23:35:46 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6. To: itisa1mosttoolate, sneakypete, ProspectorSam, TLBSHOW, Fred Mertz, honway, stpcorup, aristeides, MUDDOG, sneakypete, Wallaby, scooter, Sparker, goldilucky, scooter, roughrider (#1) So are what are the odds that any living , negative and unauthorized" biographers, writers, investigators alleging the Bush family is a crime family will be suicided?
Terry Reed, Kitty (Lastname?) and the divorced wife of Neil Bush, among others may need protection.
Just ask Barry Seals widow given that Seals was murdered after making public allegations against GW Bush drug activities. At his death Seals was found with HW Bush's phone number on his possession. Seals knew Reed at Mena and according to numerous published and televised accounts was involved with Oswald, Ferry, Ruby, Porter Goss and others associated with HW Bush in the Kennedy assassination.
Last year Barbara Bush on Larry King's program publicly told Kings audience that anyone who besmearched HW Bush or his sons were "dead men" (direct quote). Real nice family values, eh?
OKCSubmariner posted on 2004-12-19 23:45:07 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#4) Wow! Thanks for the ping.
malador posted on 2004-12-19 23:47:10 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. To: OKCSubmariner (#6) Warkanside, Arkanside with the letter that has become this idiot's icon added.
Why should this surprise anyone? It doen't me.
ferret posted on 2004-12-19 23:49:16 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9. To: OKCSubmariner (#6) Why haven't the "usual" BushBots showed up to disprove mathamatics?
Itisa1mosttoolate posted on 2004-12-19 23:50:44 ET Reply Trace
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What are the odds all of these people actually committing suicide? Pretty good, if they were all suffering from mental or spiritual disease.
beaumaris posted on 2004-12-19 23:51:52 ET Reply Trace
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Last year Barbara Bush on Larry King's program publicly told Kings audience that anyone who besmearched HW Bush or his sons were "dead men" (direct quote). Real nice family values, eh? OKCSubmariner posted on 2004-12-19 23:45:07 ET Reply Trace
The Agrippa of our time. Great just what we need, a Nero.
Thanks OK for the posting of this historical remark.
tom007 posted on 2004-12-19 23:52:46 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 12. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0) Danny Casalaro
Danny Casalaro who was investigating INSLAW, BCCI, etc and is considered part of Clinton Body Count by the Conspiracy Theorists
WhiteSands posted on 2004-12-19 23:53:29 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13. To: WhiteSands (#12) LOL! The nutjobs must be borrowing Casalaro from the Clinton stack to plump up their case against Bush.
beaumaris posted on 2004-12-19 23:55:39 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 14. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0) Gary Webb wrote articles tying the CIA to drug trading.
WhiteSands posted on 2004-12-19 23:56:00 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 15. To: beaumaris (#13) Also note the suicde rate of ex cons with respect to Hatfiled.
WhiteSands posted on 2004-12-19 23:57:04 ET Reply Trace
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Danny Casalaro Danny Casalaro who was investigating INSLAW, BCCI, etc and is considered part of Clinton Body Count by the Conspiracy Theorists
Not much difference. Bush is deeply tied to BCCI. Clinton is a good looking hanger on.
tom007 posted on 2004-12-19 23:57:04 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 17. To: tom007, WhiteSands (#16) Looks like the proverbal FOX has taken over the Henhouse White House and all of US "chickens" are too chicken to take em out.
Itisa1mosttoolate posted on 2004-12-19 23:59:49 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 18. To: WhiteSands (#15) The stuff the anti-Bush ninnies publish about Bush on this site is every bit as nasty and rabid as anything published by the four cited writers. I guess we'll know their fears are justified if they start committing suicide or otherwise emulating a Noreweigian blue pining for the fjords.
The fact that they are openly swarming all over this ridiculous speculation is proof positive they're not about to buy and drink their own swill.
beaumaris posted on 2004-12-20 00:07:47 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 19. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#17) Your numbers are off:
The suicide rate for ex-cons (Hatfiled) and Gay artists (Lombardi) spikes the numbers.
As well as the others having written about subjects other than Bush.
WhiteSands posted on 2004-12-20 00:10:15 ET Reply Trace
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Author: Vince Foster Heh.
The odds of 4 specific, male biographers committing suicide ...are a bit of a red herring, since these are not the only male biographers of Bush, nor even the only 4 male biographers of Bush who view him negatively. Webster Tarpley, for example, still breathes.
So, the odds that should be calculated are the odds of a random 4 out of however-many biographers committing suicide. *Those* odds will be much higher (that is, it will be much more likely). How much higher? Someone else will have to tackle that.
Carry on....
ProspectorSam posted on 2004-12-20 01:06:27 ET Reply Trace
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LOL! The nutjobs must be borrowing Casalaro from the Clinton stack to plump up their case against Bush. Casalaro was into stuff that connected to both Clinton and Bush, so he's a legitimate "double threat".
Just for laffs, who do *you* think offed him?
ProspectorSam posted on 2004-12-20 01:08:02 ET Reply Trace
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Webster Tarpley, for example, still breathes. at the moment, you are probably correct.
Itisa1mosttoolate posted on 2004-12-20 01:09:54 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 23. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#22) He was on the Meria Heller show a couple weeks ago.
ProspectorSam posted on 2004-12-20 01:51:39 ET Reply Trace
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we can extrapolate a conservative estimate of 17 male suicides per 100,000 people, ... The odds of 4 specific, male biographers committing suicide would be the 4th power of 17/100000, While I agree with the general tone of your article you can't do this sort of thing with stastitics. For example you could substitute in there "4 people that didn't even know eachother!" and it would have as much footing as your claim.
Like a previous poster said, you have to narrow down your criteria to something like "40-50 year old male biographers" but then your sample size is probably around 1000 people.
Perhaps if you could find out how many biographers have committed suicide vs normal deaths you could draw a conclusion.
lelio posted on 2004-12-20 03:40:09 ET Reply Trace
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Last year Barbara Bush on Larry King's program publicly told Kings audience that anyone who besmearched HW Bush or his sons were "dead men" (direct quote). Real nice family values, eh?
you're exactly right. I read the transcript myself.
Red Jones posted on 2004-12-20 09:26:20 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 26. To: WhiteSands (#19) Sounds like nature's thinning the herd to me....(grin)
Badeye posted on 2004-12-20 09:38:01 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 27. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#9) Because they are afraid. They know the truth they just put on a show here for those watching.
STONE posted on 2004-12-20 09:40:56 ET Reply Trace
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Sounds like nature's thinning the herd to me....(grin)
hahahaha
Just when you think they couldn't get any KOokier....they outdo themselves! lol
sunnyusa posted on 2004-12-20 09:41:51 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 29. To: Itisa1mosttoolate, *Kook Alert List* (#0) BTTT
jjbrouwer posted on 2004-12-20 09:45:18 ET Reply Trace
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Sounds like nature's thinning the herd to me....(grin) GRIN
STONE posted on 2004-12-20 09:45:36 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 31. To: OKCSubmariner (#6) Hey OKC, I heard a blurb on radio last week while in Fresno that Webb was one of those "multiple gunshot wounds (2 or 3) to the head" suicides, but I didn'd really catch the jist of it (like it might have been some joke or allusion to such). Any dope on that on your end?
Axenolith posted on 2004-12-20 09:47:12 ET Reply Trace
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didn'd = didn't
Axenolith posted on 2004-12-20 09:47:38 ET Reply Trace
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Just when you think they couldn't get any KOokier....they outdo themselves! lol
Kooks are funny....(grin)
btw, Merry Christmas dear Lady, hope you are yours have a great holiday season and a joyous New Year.
(figure I'd get that in right now before the "rush"....LOL)
Badeye posted on 2004-12-20 10:07:06 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 34. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#0) Some escape to Canada, some commit suicide.....So what's the problem?
Yehaw posted on 2004-12-20 10:19:27 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 35. To: Badeye (#26) These people are quite insane, aren't they?
EveningStar posted on 2004-12-20 12:02:14 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 36. To: jjbrouwer (#29) Thank you for the ping. I just got up and am in need of a dose of humor. :)
EveningStar posted on 2004-12-20 12:03:42 ET Reply Trace
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 37. To: EveningStar (#36) People should be careful posting this kind of stuff. Somebody may want to suicide you... I wonder if there is an entire circle growing like Clinton had/has? Remember the guys that committed suicide by chopping off their own heads....? Wow..now that's a suicide! Who needs sleeping pills when hacking off your own head is an option...? That doesn't even compare to foster who wrapped his own arm around to the back of his head proving his ambidexterity at the same time. A barrel in the mouth or to the temple would just be too easy. People are just so talented these days.
KuernoDeChivo posted on 2004-12-20 12:31:27 ET Reply Trace
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Last year Barbara Bush on Larry King's program publicly told Kings audience that anyone who besmearched HW Bush or his sons were "dead men" (direct quote). Real nice family values, eh? An obviously hyperbolic statement on her part, intended as such.
If she were serious, half the posters at Liberty Post would already be "suicided."
beaumaris posted on 2004-12-20 12:37:12 ET Reply Trace
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People are just so talented these days. Or delusional.
beaumaris posted on 2004-12-20 12:38:22 ET Reply Trace
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Some escape to Canada, some commit suicide.....So what's the problem? To all the delusional Bush-haters on this site: what is your preference? Choose one and get on with it.
beaumaris posted on 2004-12-20 12:43:16 ET Reply Trace