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Title: Bush Immigration Speech: Half Disappointed, Half impressed
Source: Zogby International
URL Source: http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1111
Published: May 16, 2006
Author: John Zogby
Post Date: 2006-05-16 16:50:18 by Peetie Wheatstraw
Ping List: *The Border*
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Views: 147
Comments: 12

Nation also split whether Bush plan will solve immigration problem; Bush approval - 32%

President Bush’s speech to the nation on immigration reform Monday night drew mixed reviews, but left a plurality of likely voters across the nation skeptical that the illegal immigration problem would be solved by Washington, an overnight Zogby Interactive poll shows.

This as the President’s overall job approval numbers fall to 32%, according to a separate Zogby International survey conducted via telephone before the immigration speech Monday.

Overall, 47% said they liked the Monday speech, while 47% said they were disappointed.

About seven in 10 Republicans said they generally liked the speech, while 29% said they were disappointed. Among Democrats, 70% said they were disappointed, while 19% said they liked the speech, a slightly higher percentage of Democrats than usually support Bush. Eleven percent of Democrats said they were undecided.

Independents were split down the middle, with about half liking the speech and half disappointed. Among moderates, 34% said they liked the speech, while 58% said they were disappointed.

Public Skeptical About Reform Effort, Politics

Asked whether they thought the Bush plan meant the illegal immigration problem would be solved, 47% said it is more likely to get solved, while 49% said they think the plan makes it less likely to be solved.

There was a slight difference in reaction to the speech based on gender – 48% of men said the Bush plan is likely to succeed, while 44% of women agreed.

Despite the mixed reviews on the speech’s content, a majority of viewers saw the speech more as an exercise to gain political advantage in Washington and less as an effort to inform the American public about the issue. While 37% said they believed Bush was trying to bring the public up to speed on immigration, 58% said they believed he was simply trying to gain a political edge by stemming criticism of reform proposals that he backs.

Congress is now split over the issue. The U.S. House of Representatives has passed a bill that calls for, among other things, a more aggressive effort at border security and at stemming the influx of illegal immigration. The Senate favors an approach that includes a guest worker program and a path to citizenship for longtime illegal immigrants who have otherwise obeyed U.S. laws.

Bush’s speech came as his job approval rating for dealing with immigration languishes at 17%, and just 16% give him positive marks for his work on border security. A Zogby International telephone poll taken May 12–16 shows just 32% give him positive overall job approval marks.

The Zogby Interactive poll was conducted after the President’s Monday night speech, and included 805 interviews with likely voters who viewed the televised speech. It carries a margin of error of +/– 3.5 percentage points. The Zogby International telephone poll that included questions about the President’s job approval ratings was conducted May 12–16, included 979 respondents, and carries a margin of error of +/– 3.2 percentage points.

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#1. To: All, robin, aristeides (#0)

FYI

"Ah Love! could you and I with Him conspire
To grasp this sorry Scheme of Things entire,
Would we not shatter it to bits---and then
Re-mould it nearer to the Heart's Desire!"
----Fitzgerald's Ruba'iyat, XCIX

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-05-16   16:51:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#1)

Thanks Peetie. I looked but could not find any polling specifically after his speech.

Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism. – George Washington

"If the president made us go to war with Iraq, why doesn't he go over there and fight the war?" Christian May [6th grader]

robin  posted on  2006-05-16   16:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#2)

an overnight Zogby Interactive poll shows.

Interactive? Hmmm...kinda like electronic voting?

angle  posted on  2006-05-16   17:19:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: angle (#3)

[ Click Here For Telephone Poll/Survey Methodology ]
[ Click Here For Interactive Poll/Survey Methodology ]

Zogby explains at these links provided at the source link for the article.

Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism. – George Washington

"If the president made us go to war with Iraq, why doesn't he go over there and fight the war?" Christian May [6th grader]

robin  posted on  2006-05-16   17:22:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#0)

Half Disappointed, Half impressed

Half-Assed


You know you're old when the porn starlets you liked as a kid start appearing in "mature" vids.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-05-16   17:44:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#2)

Just today I spoke with a good friend with a lot of good connections in conservative media, talk radio, etc. He used to dismiss my concerns about immigration as irrelevant to other voters' concerns. Lately, hearing from call-in after call-in on the radio shows he goes on, he's started to get really concerned about that very issue. And today he told me gloomily in a discussion of the border speech last night and the reaction he's got to it, "George Bush is going to go down in history as the man who destroyed the Republican Party." He's all too aware now that the chances are excellent that the GOP will lose control of the House in November, and that the immigration foibles of Bush (and his Senate co-dependents) will be the prime reason.

"Ah Love! could you and I with Him conspire
To grasp this sorry Scheme of Things entire,
Would we not shatter it to bits---and then
Re-mould it nearer to the Heart's Desire!"
----Fitzgerald's Ruba'iyat, XCIX

Peetie Wheatstraw  posted on  2006-05-16   17:49:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#4)

Yes, I see their rationalizations. Does nuttin for me. Don't ya think measuring the opinion in the tried and true method of "telephone polling" and contrasting it to the interactive poll would be a tad more acceptable?

angle  posted on  2006-05-16   17:57:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: angle (#7)

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1064

As a pioneer in the field, Zogby expects a certain degree of skepticism of this groundbreaking method. While caller ID, cell phones and rapidly falling response rates foreshadow a day where telephone polling is less preferable, Interactive polling is well on its way to becoming as accurate as telephone polling. Zogby is continuing to undertake rigorous research and development in its Interactive polling to be ready to take the polling industry into the next generation. And though Zogby’s Interactive polling is not yet perfect, its results in 2004 and 2005 speak for themselves, and Zogby anticipates even greater accuracy in the 2006 elections.

Further, Zogby telephones about 2% of respondents who completed the interactive survey to validate their personal data.

I dunno, I'm no expert. The online polls I've "voted" on only allowed me one vote. Perhaps if I had multiple logins at different ISPs I could distort the results, and people answering the phone may not give truthful answers.

Does this keep people from mis-representing themselves in online surveys? No, just as a person-to-person survey interview over the phone does not prevent a respondent from lying about their true feelings on a given subject.

Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism. – George Washington

"If the president made us go to war with Iraq, why doesn't he go over there and fight the war?" Christian May [6th grader]

robin  posted on  2006-05-16   18:47:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#6)

Lately, hearing from call-in after call-in on the radio shows he goes on, he's started to get really concerned about that very issue.

I think we can thank all those folks that mobbed our major cities on May 1 for this. Just maybe, they awakened the sleeping giant. We should thank them (then deport them)

Sonovademocrat  posted on  2006-05-16   18:53:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: robin (#8)

Look how MSM is mum on electronic voting. Sheepie buy it. Just like they'll buy "independent" government owned Zogby poll results. They must be told how and what to think. That's what MSM is for.

angle  posted on  2006-05-17   9:03:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: angle (#10)

Well Zogby's results are not especially supportive of the govt. And a poll is not the same as a voting booth. Of course e-voting is full of fraud, but it's apples and oranges, IMO.

Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism. – George Washington

"If the president made us go to war with Iraq, why doesn't he go over there and fight the war?" Christian May [6th grader]

robin  posted on  2006-05-17   10:32:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: robin (#11)

Zogby is as bought and paid for as the rest. You don't do polls without being on the "in".

angle  posted on  2006-05-17   10:40:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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