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Title: Resident tuition urged for immigrant children [ILLEGAL ALIENS!!!]
Source: Statesman Journal
URL Source: http://159.54.226.83/apps/pbcs.dll/ ... =/20050329/NEWS/503290331/1001
Published: Mar 29, 2005
Author: TARA MCLAIN
Post Date: 2005-03-29 10:30:13 by Mr Nuke Buzzcut
Keywords: ALIENS!!!], immigrant, Resident
Views: 82
Comments: 9

Resident tuition urged for immigrant children

Opponents say that the plan rewards illegal immigration

TARA MCLAIN
Statesman Journal
March 29, 2005

Natividad Silva pays taxes that subsidize Oregon students' university tuition.

Yet the Mexican-born mother and community-college student cannot use that same benefit until her already-approved green card is processed.

That could take years.

Silva will finish her transfer degree later this spring at Mount Hood Community College. She has barely afforded the tuition while supporting her family.

Unless Senate Bill 769 passes, she said, there is no way she can afford out-of-state tuition at an Oregon university, where she wants to earn a business degree.

The bill would extend in-state tuition to undocumented immigrants who graduate from Oregon high schools and have lived in the state for three years.

"I was forced to come here as a child," Silva said outside of a Senate Education Committee hearing about the bill Monday evening.

"All these years I've been a very productive citizen. We play by the rules, yet we are not recognized for our work," she said.

Jim Ludwick of Oregonians for Immigration Reform asked the committee to wait until a lawsuit challenging a similar law in Kansas is resolved in a federal court.

Ludwick and others think that such state laws violate a 1996 federal law that bars states from extending in-state tuition to illegal immigrants unless the same benefit is allowed to all residents of any state.

"Wouldn't it be prudent to see what the lawsuit comes out as before Oregon endangers tens of millions (of dollars) in tuition fees?" Ludwick asked the committee.

But representatives of the Oregon University System don't think the lowered tuition will cost that much.

The proposed law actually might make money for the state, said David McDonald, director of enrollment and student services for the universities.

"We believe that absent this bill, many of these students would not attend college despite their academic preparation and motivation," McDonald said.

If 30 new students who otherwise wouldn't have applied enroll under in-state tuition, the universities estimate making $370,000 per year.

"If these students don't attend, we don't get any money from them," Sen. Charles Starr, R-Hillsboro, said in response to opponents' testimony. "There's no loss if they don't enroll."

Peter Dane, an opponent, argued that the cost of the students' tuition would be less than the cost of educating them, so there still would be a cost to taxpayers.

Sen. Ryan Deckert, D-Beaverton, said that putting the arguments of immigration aside, it would be hard for him to deny a student who has worked hard to overcome such odds to qualify for college.

"How do I, as a state senator, deny any individual their God-given right to excel?" he said.

Opponent Rick Hickey acknowledged that students shouldn't be punished for the decisions of their parents. However, he said the state government shouldn't promote illegal immigration by turning a cheek to those unlawful acts.

Undocumented workers are carrying the economy, many supporters testified. At the same time, teachers and mentors are encouraging their children to accomplish any feat, especially that of a college degree, Jose Sandoval said.

The South Salem High School teacher said he needs the bill to pass so that he can continue to encourage his students in good faith.

"We teach our students that they can become whatever they want, and I hate lying to them."

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Bill would reduce tuition for the undocumented

By NIKI SULLIVAN
Associated Press writer

Children of illegal immigrants could benefit

SALEM ? A controversial bill that would allow certain students who are not legal citizens to pay in-state tuition at Oregon's seven public universities got a hearing in front of legislators Monday.

The bill would charge in-state tuition to undocumented students if they have spent three years in an Oregon high school and are working toward U.S. residency.

Supporters said that would prevent children of illegal immigrants from being punished for their parents' actions.

"This bill is about fairness. These young people have paid dues,'' said Senate President Peter Courtney, D-Salem.

But critics said the bill would reward illegal behavior and give unfair advantage to those who break the law.

"We have a trust that our state legislature will live by those laws, and not pick and choose which laws to obey,'' said opponent Jim Ludwig, who added that the bill might violate federal laws.

Opponents also argued that the bill would cost money by reducing tuition for illegal residents, but supporters say the students in question would not otherwise be going to college, so the state is making money if they attend school.

Silvio Poot, 20, was one of several students who are not legal U.S. citizens to testify.

"My dream was to go to high school and I did it. I'm a senior,'' Poot said.

Poot's family moved illegally to Portland, and Poot now works eight hours a day after a full day at high school to support himself and help his family.

Now he wants to attend college in Oregon, and said this bill would help him and others in his situation.

"My future and the future of many students is in your hands,'' Poot told the Senate Education Committee.

Currently, out-of-state tuition at Oregon's public universities is about $14,000 per year, while in-state tuition is about one-third that amount.

But Mike Forest, a Salem resident whose son is struggling to pay for college, said he viewed the bill as entirely unfair.

"You're asking me to subsidize education when I can't afford it for my own kids? '' he asked legislators.

Senate Education Chairwoman Vicki Walker, D-Eugene, supports the bill but said the committee needs more time to consider the information before making a decision.

A similar bill was introduced in 2003, but failed in the Republican-controlled House after passing the Democratic-controlled Senate.

This year, the bill is expected to pass the Democratic-controlled Senate, but again faces an uncertain fate in the Republican-controlled House.

On the Net: Senate Bill 769, www.leg.state.or.us.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-29   10:39:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#0)

I have no anger left for these insane articles. I stood behind Buchanan in the mid 90's when he was the only one with the cajones to take on the issue. IMO, this fight (was it ever a fight?) is over. We lost.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-03-29   10:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

Okay, we lost. But do they have to rub our noses in it?

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-29   10:50:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#0)

Natividad Silva pays taxes that subsidize Oregon students' university tuition.

Yet the Mexican-born mother and community-college student cannot use that same benefit until her already-approved green card is processed.

Natividad Silva's children were educated at taxpayers expense, even though she crossed our borders illegally. Natividad Silva and her children have received medical and other taxpayer services.

If I leave California for one year and then return. I must pay out-of-state tuition, just like Natividad Silva; even though my grandmother, my parents and I were all born in California.

robin  posted on  2005-03-29   10:50:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#3)

But do they have to rub our noses in it?

Yep, they do. Whites will become a minority in this nation shortly. This isn't an accident. That's why I was so angry at the open border freaks years ago. I saw it coming, and millions of others did (see Prop 187 in CA). Today, you have the POTUS saying the MM Project is a pack of vigilantes. Those brave souls will be met at the AZ border by some third world immigrant gang bent on violence. Good luck to them, but it’s very over.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2005-03-29   11:05:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#4)

Natividad Silva pays taxes that subsidize Oregon students' university tuition. Yet the Mexican-born mother and community-college student...

This is utter bullshit. She not only doesn't pay taxes, she is a net tax consumer. She is a leech on productive society. And now she wants MORE!

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-29   11:10:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull, Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#5)

Can you be-f**king-lieve this? When I went to college, I went in another state from the one where my family lived. I only went home on breaks when the dorm closed; I even attended school during the summers. I came to think of myself as a resident of the state where my college was located, and even stayed living there for many years after I graduated.

I got a driver's license in the state where I went to college. I moved out of the dorm eventually and rented an apartment. I worked in that state. Yet every time we tried to get the school to count me as a resident of the state (for tuition purposes), they said no, you're a resident of the state you came from.

Meanwhile, these suckers who contribute to NO state in this union get the lower resident tuition rates? What difference does it make, anyway, what tuition rates they get, since we know they've got grants out the wazoo to pay for every dime of it?

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-03-29   11:52:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t (#7)

When they fill out their FAFSA, the federal immigration authorities should send a border patrol agent to pick them up and deport them right back to their country of origin. And, since their property is the proceeds of their criminal activity, it can be seized and auctioned off to pay for their trip home and to reimburse the state coffers for the assistance they defrauded us out of.

Mr Nuke Buzzcut  posted on  2005-03-29   12:08:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Mr Nuke Buzzcut (#8)

When they fill out their FAFSA, the federal immigration authorities should send a border patrol agent to pick them up and deport them right back to their country of origin. And, since their property is the proceeds of their criminal activity, it can be seized and auctioned off to pay for their trip home and to reimburse the state coffers for the assistance they defrauded us out of.

But... but... they're... they're... they're doing the work Americans won't do!

h-a-l-f-w-i-t-t  posted on  2005-03-29   18:27:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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