4um: Illegals granted Social Security

The Senate voted yesterday to allow illegal aliens to collect Social Security benefits based on past illegal employment -- even if the job was obtained through forged or stolen documents.

"There was a felony they were committing, and now they can't be prosecuted. That sounds like amnesty to me," said Sen. John Ensign, the Nevada Republican who offered the amendment yesterday to strip out those provisions of the immigration reform bill. "It just boggles the mind how people could be against this amendment."

"We all know that millions of undocumented immigrants pay Social Security and Medicare taxes for years and sometimes decades while they work to contribute to our economy," said Sen. John McCain, Arizona Republican.

"The Ensign amendment would undermine the work of these people by preventing lawfully present immigrant workers from claiming Social Security benefits that they earned before they were authorized to work in our community," he said. "If this amendment were enacted, the nest egg that these immigrants have worked hard for would be taken from them and their families."

Mr. Ensign was among 44 Republicans and five Democrats who voted to block such payouts.

"It makes no sense to reward millions of illegal immigrants for criminal behavior while our Social Security system is already in crisis," said Sen. Jim DeMint, South Carolina Republican. "Why in the world would we endorse this criminal activity with federal benefits? The Senate missed a big opportunity to improve this bill, and I doubt American seniors will be pleased with the result."

Sen. Patrick J. Leahy, Vermont Democrat, said it would be unfair to deny illegals the benefits.

"We should not steal their funds or empty their Social Security accounts," he said. "That is not fair. It does not reward their hard work or their financial contributions. It violates the trust that underlies the Social Security Trust Fund."

Within hours, the vote had become an issue in this fall's elections, raised by a Republican challenger to Sen. Debbie Stabenow, Michigan Democrat.

"Instead of protecting the retirement security of Americans who are earning an honest living and abiding by the laws of our country, Debbie Stabenow sided with people who are here illegally and abuse our Social Security system," Oakland County, Mich., Sheriff Michael Bouchard said in a press release. "Allowing illegal immigrants to use their illegal work history as credit towards receiving Social Security benefits shows that Debbie Stabenow has forgotten who she is supposed to be working for in the U.S. Senate."

The Senate also yesterday approved an amendment to adopt English as the nation's official language, while reversing course from the day before on protections for U.S. workers who will face new competition from unskilled immigrant labor under the Senate bill. In addition, senators voted last night to kill an amendment that would have specified that the guest-worker program will not provide visas that would provide a path to citizenship.

On Wednesday, senators narrowly approved an amendment to require a foreign worker to have a job lined up in the United States before applying for a green card. The purpose, supporters say, is to ensure that the job market isn't flooded with foreign workers. Also, it prevents foreign workers from coming to the United States only to wind up unemployed and dependent on public assistance.

But yesterday, the Senate essentially gutted that amendment by allowing foreign workers to apply for permanent residency without having a job lined up.

"What that means is that up to 200,000 unskilled workers a year would become eligible for a green card, regardless of economic conditions, regardless of whether that worker has been actually employed for four years, and most importantly, regardless of whether there are unemployed U.S. workers available to fill those jobs," said Sen. John Cornyn, Texas Republican.

Mexican hispanics are core members of the establishment victim cult. The 2- party system caters to the victim cult, in exchange for votes, because the victim cult is the vast majority of voters. Why is anybody surprised by the US senate, dominated by 2-party system low-lifes, catering to members of their precious victim cult? Do you think they would offer the same deal to illegal canadian immigrants? Ask yourself who are the top-dog victim cultists in america. Isn't it more than just coincidental that the 2-party system is catering to immigrant victim cultists, just when native-born support for endless mideast and foreign war is lagging? Can you recall the old adage, a dog won't bite the hand that feeds it?

The Senate voted yesterday to allow illegal aliens to collect Social Security benefits based on past illegal employment -- even if the job was obtained through forged or stolen documents.

"If the president made us go to war with Iraq, why doesn't he go over there and fight the war?" Christian May [6th grader]

I truly hate this nation at times. Not so much that the government is corrupt and vile, but simply because the people are too fucking stupid to start a movement for change.

Oh, I've gone over the edge with this place. I detest our foreign policy and our domestic policy. But mostly I hate being powerless to change it. Nobody represents me, and I pay through the nose for this luxury. If DC were to be vaporized Monday morning, I'd throw a party.

“And one of my promises is there’s going to be Social Security reform, and you bet we need to take a trillion dollars out of that $2.4 trillion surplus. Now, remember, Social Security revenue exceeds expenses up until 2015. People are going to get paid. But if you’re a younger worker, if you’re younger, you better hope this country thinks differently, otherwise you’re going to be faced with huge payroll taxes or reduced benefits. And you bet we’re going to take a trillion dollars of your own money and let you invest it under safe guidelines to get a better rate of return on the money than the paltry 2 percent that the federal government gets for you today. That’s one of my promises.” - George W. Bush

The Great Global Social Security Giveaway - Rep. Ron Paul
"Worse still, thousands of foreigners who would qualify for U.S. Social Security benefits actually came to the United States and worked here illegally. Under "totalization," a foreigner who came to the United States illegally could work fewer than the required number of years, return to Mexico for the rest of his working years, and collect full U.S. Social Security benefits while living in Mexico."

Social Security Heading South of the Border - http://Townhall.com - Joel Mowbray
"The ill-conceived plan was hatched as part of an accord currently being negotiated with Mexico to help align its social-security system with America’s. ...government sources familiar with the negotiations say that there has been agreement on most significant issues—including the expansion of eligibility for illegal aliens."

Bush Planning Social Security Benefits For Mexicans
"President G.W. Bush has already expressed a strong desire to grant amnesty to hundreds of thousands of illegal Mexican aliens. Now, he is apparently working on a plan to grant Social Security benefits to tens of thousands of Mexicans who do not even live in the United States."

"Mexican President Vicente Fox has been pushing President Bush to sign a Social Security agreement with Mexico as something of a consolation prize to make up for Bush's failure to pursue promised immigration reforms. ...But excerpts from an internal Social Security Administration memo obtained this month say the agreement "is expected to move forward at an accelerated pace,"

Siphoning Off Social Security - The Washington Times
"If top officials at the State Department and Social Security Administration have their way, up to $345 billion — or more — could be siphoned from the Social Security "trust fund" over the next couple of decades, mostly to pay benefits to Mexican citizens who worked illegally in the United States."

"illegal aliens from Mexico would also become eligible for Social Security benefits."

"someone can receive benefits based on work performed while in the country illegally."

"The Totalization Agreement with Mexico, however, would make illegal aliens from that country eligible for the same treatment under Social Security as U.S. citizens, without ever becoming legal residents or citizens."

"government sources familiar with the negotiations say that there has been agreement on most significant issues, including the expansion of eligibility for illegal aliens."

"An internal SSA memo also indicates that the pact will allow illegal aliens to qualify for Social Security benefits: "Mexican nationals working illegally in the U.S. can currently become entitled to benefits if they have made payments to the Trust Fund that meet the vesting requirements. The Totalization Agreement would include this population of Mexican workers within the overall population of workers covered by this agreement."

GAO: Social Security Reform May Mean Cuts - Adding personal investment accounts to the Social Security system would require benefit cuts, tax increases or raising the retirement age for AMERICAN CITIZENS - January 15, 2003

Identity theft is a FELONY and they are letting these bastards get by with it, then wanting to give them the SS they paid in on that stolen number? We need to clean house in November! What a bunch of idiots we have for elected officals! These dumbasses have to go.........period.