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History See other History Articles Title: Satanism and the History of Wicca In their attempts to dissociate themselves from Satanism, Wiccans have tended to distort their own history. Wicca and Satanism are indeed very distinct religious categories. But there are some intimate historical ties between the two, as even some Wiccan scholars are finally starting to admit. See, for example, Aidan Kelly's book Crafting the Art of Magic (pp.21-22, 25-26, and 176). Wicca is not "the Old Religion", though it does draw inspiration from various old religions. Wicca as we now know it is derived from 19th-century occult philosophy -- including literary Satanic philosophy, among others -- projected onto a non-Christian Goddess and God, plus some de-Christianized Golden Dawn style ceremonial magick, plus assorted turn-of-the-century British folklore, more recently re-shaped by neo-Pagan scholarship and by modern feminist and ecological concerns. At least several different sides of Wicca's convoluted family tree can be traced to 19th-century literary Satanism, some forms of which had more in common with present-day Wicca than with present-day Satanism. The prime example of literary Satanism that strongly influenced Wicca, especially feminist Wicca, is the book La Sorciere by the 19th-century French historian Jules Michelet (published in English by Citadel Press under the title Satanism and Witchcraft). Michelet's ideas, as paraphrased by feminist writers such as Barbara Ehrenreich and Deirdre English in their booklet Witches, Midwives, and Nurses: A History of Women Healers (Feminist Press, 1973), have played an important role today's women's health movement. (At least Ehrenreich and English were honest enough to list Michelet in their bibliography.) See especially Michelet's introduction. Michelet was, as far as I know, the literary origin of today's feminist image of the Witch as a healer. Among other things, he theorized that the witchhunts were used by the emerging male medical profession to wipe out their peasant female competition. According to Jeffrey B. Russell in A History of Witchcraft, pre-feminist classical Wicca also drew lots of inspiration indirectly from Michelet. Michelet was a major source of inspiration to Margaret Murray, Charles G. Leland, and Sir James Frazer, whom most knowledgeable Wiccans do recognize as influential. (Russell points this out, yet neglects to inform the reader that Michelet's book is full of passionate, sympathetic depictions of Satan as well as of the medieval witches. Russell too perpetuates the false counter-myth that Wicca Has Nothing To Do With Satanism.) I'll leave it to folks more scholarly than myself to debate just how indebted Murray and Leland were to Michelet. In any case, the Italian witch mythology Leland presented in Aradia: Gospel of the Witches (originally published 1899), one of Wicca's major sources, contains some diabolical-witchcraft elements of its own. The very first paragraph reads: Diana greatly loved her brother Lucifer, the god of the Sun and of the Moon, the god of Light, who was so proud of his beauty, and who for his pride was driven from Paradise. Wiccans usually argue that "Lucifer" is not the Christian Devil but is just "the god of the Sun and of the Moon". (I too distinguish between Satan and Lucifer, as do many occultists.) Yet the statement that Lucifer was "driven from Paradise" for his "pride" is clearly a reference to Christianity's Devil myth. Aradia contains a mix of mythologies. Wiccans are correct to say that their Horned God is not Satan. But it isn't historically true that the Christian image of Satan is a re-interpretation of the Wiccan God. On the contrary, the modern Wiccan concept of the Horned God has its literary origin in a Paganized re-interpretation of medieval Christian Devil imagery (as in Margaret Murray's and earlier writings). It's true that medieval Christian Devil imagery, in turn, incorporates distorted versions of many ancient Gods (not all of whom were Horned, e.g. the trident comes from Poseidon/Neptune). But the Wiccan image of its Horned God is not a direct continuation of any ancient religion, and at least one key aspect does come from no source other than the medieval Christian Devil concept as manifest in the witchhunts. The idea of a Horned God associated specifically with witchcraft is derived from the Christian witchhunts, and from no previous source. In pre-Christian European religion, there were Goddesses associated with witchcraft, e.g. Hecate; but Pan and other horned male Gods were not associated with witchcraft, as far as I know. Much of Wicca's self-image is based on the Paganized re-interpretation of alleged Devil-worship, rather than on actual ancient religion. Much of Wicca's terminology and imagery, e.g. the words "witch", "coven", and "sabbat", are used because of the Wiccan myth that Wicca is the survival of an underground medieval religion that was the target of the witchhunts. (Regardless of the linguistic origin of the words themselves, this constellation of terms comes from the witchhunts.) The related idea that modern Wiccans too are in continual danger of being confused with Satanists is at least partly a self-fulfilling prophecy. Far fewer people would confuse modern Wicca with Satanism if Wicca didn't use so many witchhunt-derived words and other trappings popularly associated with diabolical witchcraft. My point here is not that Wiccans shouldn't use the words "witch", "coven", and "sabbat". My point is that if they do use these and other diabolical-witchcraft trappings, they should accept responsibility for the consequences. For example, when explaining that Wicca Is Not Satanism, they should acknowledge the main real reason for the confusion: that modern Wiccans have chosen to identify with the victims of European witchhunts and have chosen their terminology accordingly. Wiccans certainly should not blame Satanists for Wicca's own public-relations difficulties, as some Wiccans do. It also bothers me when Wiccans, in an attempt to distance themselves from Satanism, perpetuate popular misconceptions about Satanism, e.g. saying "We're not Satanists!" in a tone which implies you think Satanists are monsters, or saying "We're not Satanists!" in the same breath as saying "We don't sacrifice babies." (The latter point can be made separately and is an obvious corollary of the Wiccan Rede and/or the Threefold Law.) Back to Wicca's history. Besides Murray, Leland, and other writers on witchcraft, another of Wicca's main sources is Aleister Crowley. Many knowledgeable Wiccans (e.g. the Farrars and Doreen Valiente) do realize that Gardner's rituals were heavily based on Crowley's rituals, though they tend to overstate the "Crowley was not a Satanist" disclaimer. Crowley was not a Satanist per se, but he definitely was into Satanic symbolism, in addition to the zillion other things he was into. In some defensive neo-Pagan writings (e.g. the Church of All Worlds booklet "Witchcraft, Satanism, and Occult Crime: Who's Who and What's What"), it is claimed that Crowley was neither a Satanist nor a Pagan but was just into Judaeo-Christian ceremonial magick. In fact, Crowley was very eclectic. Even Golden Dawn ceremonial magick included not only Qabalah and the medieval Christian grimoires, but also Egyptian deities, Greek deities, and Yoga. Crowley emphasized the Egyptian elements, downplayed the Christian elements, and added plenty of other things to the mix, including Satanic imagery galore (such as his invocation of Satan in Liber Samekh, not to mention his constant references to himself as "the Beast 666"). Some will insist that Crowley's Satanic symbolism was merely a joke; but Crowley's attitudes were well within the 19th-century Satanic literary tradition. (In most of the more sophisticated forms of Satanism, the name "Satan" is understood in an ironic sense.) Others will explain that most of Crowley's Satanic symbolism can be re-interpreted in Pagan terms, but this too is true of many forms of Satanism. There's also a possibility that Wicca borrowed ideas from writings about actual Satanists living in the late-19th or early-20th century. In Crafting the Art of Magic, Aidan Kelly says Gerald Gardner drew key concepts from the description of Ozark folk witchcraft, including folk Satanism, in the 1947 book Ozark Superstition by Vance Randolph. I'll admit that Kelly's conclusions have been challenged by other historically-knowledgeable Wiccans. Of course, if Gardner was influenced by Randolph's account, Gardner would probably have assumed that the Satanic folk witches were "really" Pagans whom Randolph misrepresented as Satanists. But Gardner's assumption wouldn't necessarily have been correct. An unlettered folk-witch would be far more likely to be either (1) a Satanist or (2) a devout though unorthodox Christian than to have preserved an ancient Pagan religion intact. Various Pagan customs have certainly survived, but this is very different from the intact survival of a Pagan religion, for which there is very little evidence. (For a critique of alleged evidence for Pagan survival, see A Razor for a Goat by Elliot Rose. Regarding a possible medieval witch-cult very different from what Murray hypothesized, see The Night Battles by Carlo Ginzburg. Regarding contemporary hereditary witches, many of whom are Christian, see Bluenose Magic by Helen Creighton. For an example of a decidedly non-Pagan grimoire that is very popular among European folk witches today, see The Sixth and Seventh Books of Moses, available in some botanicas.) Some forms of Wicca may have been influenced by Satanists more directly than via Murray, Leland, Crowley, Ehrenreich/English, and possibly Randolph. Two possible examples: 1. Historically-knowledgeable Wiccans have debated what role, if any, was played in the development of modern Wiccan by a 19th-century English farm laborer named George Pickingill who was reputed to be a witch. Aidan Kelly, who does not believe Pickingill contributed anything to Wicca, describes Pickingill as "a garden-variety folk-magic witch and a home-grown Satanist." The assertion that Pickingill did play a major role was originally made by "Lugh" in a newsletter called The Wiccan in 1974. "Lugh", who claimed to be a hereditary witch, described Pickingill as "the world's greatest living authority on Witchcraft, Satanism, and Black Magic" (quoted by Doreen Valiente in Rebirth of Witchcraft). 2. Starhawk was initiated by Victor Anderson, who once belonged to a coven whose form of witchcraft included a form of "literature-based Satanism" (or at least a religion closely akin to "literature-based Satanism"); or so says Kelly, based on research by Valerie Voigt. [Postscript, November 2002: Kelly's statements are quite likely not accurate. See update.] Whether or not Kelly is correct about Victor Anderson, and whether or not Pickingill had anything to do with Wicca, it shouldn't be considered unlikely that some traditions of Wicca originated as forms of Satanism and then gradually grew away from Satanism. To this day, there are occultists who start out as Satanists and eventually become Wiccans or other types of neo-Pagans. It would be very odd if such people's understanding of Wicca was not at all influenced by their previous experience with Satanism. Theistic forms of Satanism have a natural tendency to give birth to new, non-Satanic religions. If you reject Christian theology (as nearly all intelligent Satanists do), but if you nonetheless venerate Satan as a real being or force (not just a symbol as in LaVey Satanism), then the question inevitably arises: Who and what is "Satan"? Different forms of Satanism have different answers to this question. One of the easier answers is to re-interpret Satan as a pre-Christian deity, usually either Set or Pan. However, once you equate Satan with a specific ancient deity, you have taken the first step away from Satanism. You are no longer venerating Satan per se; you are now venerating a Pagan deity with Satanic overtones. And then, once you develop your Paganized belief system further, the Satanic overtones will eventually seem less and less important. Such has apparently been the case with the Temple of Set, an offshoot of LaVey's Church of Satan. (Setians disagree on whether to call themselves "Satanists".) It seems not at all unlikely that some forms of Wicca, with all its diabolical-witchcraft trappings, would have a similar origin. A group of theistic Satanists who equated Satan with Pan, as some Satanists do, would very likely tend to evolve in a Wicca-like direction. More about Wicca's diabolical-witchcraft trappings. Wicca's self-image is based on the records of witchhunts, re-interpreting the alleged activities of accused diabolical witches as the worship of a Pagan "Horned God". Wicca thus makes a new use of the same source material that Satanists have been using for centuries. An interesting question is: Why reconstruct an "Old Religion" this way, rather than just going back to the records of actual old religions? Other forms of neo-Paganism, e.g. Asatru and neo-Druidism, which do base themselves more on what's known about actual ancient religions, are far less likely than Wicca to be confused with Satanism by outsiders. Why do Wiccans insist on using words like "witch" and "coven" when they could easily use other, more respectable-sounding words? Despite Wicca's diabolical-witchcraft trappings, or perhaps partly because of those trappings, Wicca has more popular appeal than any other form of neo-Paganism. Certainly Wicca's hot-button terminology has helped Wicca get lots more publicity than it otherwise could. Wiccan spokespeople sometimes bemoan the fact that newspapers interview them only at Halloween, but most small religious sects don't get nearly so much free publicity at any time of the year, not even on Halloween. And, judging by the way some Wiccans keep repeating "We're Not Satanists!" far more often than they actually get accused of being Satanists, it seems logical to suspect that at least some of them are using words and images popularly associated with Satanism as a way to attract attention, and/or because they themselves enjoy feeling naughty. (I've actually heard some Wiccans say that if the word "witch" ever became too respectable, it would lose some of its power.) Modern Satanists have long felt that the basis of Wicca's appeal lies in the paradoxical (some would say hypocritical) combination of Wicca's Satanic connotations and the denial of same. Thus, Satanists tend to regard Wicca as a ripoff of Satanism. I personally don't regard Wicca as a ripoff. In my opinion, Wiccans' use of witchhunt-derived trappings is neither more nor less legitimate than the use of those same trappings by Satanists. And Wicca, as a religion, does have much more substance to it than just its deliberately-adopted superficial resemblances to diabolical witchcraft. But I'm very irritated by those endless "Wicca Has Nothing To Do With Satanism!" disclaimers. I wouldn't mind if Wiccans merely said that Wicca is not Satanism (at least if they said it without repeating it unnecessarily). It's true that Wicca is not Satanism, but it isn't historically true that Wicca "has nothing to do with" Satanism. Nor is it true that Wicca has nothing in common with Satanism. Some forms of Wicca and neo-Paganism have a lot in common with (some forms of) Satanism. Oddly enough, of the many Wicca-based forms of neo-Paganism, one of the most "Satanic" (in terms of 19th-century literary Satanism) is feminist Goddess religion, despite its frequent omission of even the "Horned God". See, for example, some of Mary Daly's writings. When it comes to inverting and parodying Christian symbolism, Daly's wordplay does it better than an old-fashioned Black Mass. Daly also reclaims and venerates almost every demonized female category conceivable, from Furies to Hags. And let's not forget the many feminists who venerate Lilith, a Jewish folkloric near-equivalent of the Christian Satan. Lilith never made it to the status of a full-fledged anti-god, but otherwise her myth is almost identical to the Christian Satan myth: banished for her pride, she became a dreaded demon and was even blamed for people's sins, especially sexual ones. To be fair, I should mention that not all feminist Goddess-worshippers are into either Mary Daly's writings or the veneration of Lilith. But the feminist counterculture, because it is a counterculture, tends generally to include an extra dose of demon-reclamation beyond what is found in classical Wicca, e.g. magazine titles like Sinister Wisdom. All these parallels to Satanism reflect the quintessentially Satanic central theme of some forms of feminist Goddess religion: self-liberation from a socially-imposed mainstream "spiritual" order -- even though Goddess religion is in other ways quite "un-Satanic" by the standards of most modern Satanists. One of the earliest feminist writers on religion had a much friendlier attitude toward Satanism than is common today. As far as I know, the very first feminist writer on witchcraft and Goddess religion was 19th-century womens's suffrage leader Matilda Joslyn Gage. Her book Woman, Church, and State contains an enthusiastic depiction of a medieval peasant Black Mass, based on Michelet's account. I hope today's Wiccans and feminist Goddess-worshippers will stop fearing to recognize that, just as Christianity borrowed heavily from Greek mystery religion yet is a very different religion from the Greek mysteries, so too Wicca and feminist Goddess religion have drawn lots of inspiration from Satanism, though they are very different religions. Kelly's honesty is refreshing. If today's Satanists are sometimes nasty to Wiccans, well, how would you react to a bunch of people who went out of their way to deny their own roots, just so they could disown you? What's especially annoying is the way many Wiccans claim the word "Witchcraft" as a name for their own religion, defining not only "Wicca" but also "Witchcraft" as a religion distinct from Satanism. Excuse me, but witchcraft is not a religion. There are witches all over the world, in many different cultures. They don't all belong to one religion. A witch can be any religion. One of my great-grandfathers was a "water witch" who told people where to dig wells. He was a devout Christian. If a Christian can be a witch, then so can a Satanist. There have been both Christians and Satanists calling themselves witches long before today's Wiccans came along. (See Randolph's and Creighton's books, for example.) So I really wish Wiccans would stop using the word "witchcraft" as a name for their own specific religion. I don't object to Wiccans calling themselves witches, but I do object to the idea that all true witches are Wiccan (or at least Pagan) and that, therefore, Satanists can't be witches. Wiccans are welcome to call their specific religion "Wicca", an archaic word that they themselves resurrected. Another good name for their specific religion is "Neo-Pagan Witchcraft", a phrase suggesting that their religion is a subcategory of witchcraft, not witchcraft as a whole. Thus, it's accurate to say, "Neo-Pagan Witchcraft is not Satanism", whereas it's misleading to say, "witchcraft (in general) is not Satanism". It would also be nice if Wiccans would stop making inaccurate pronouncements on what Satanism is, such as, "Satanism is a form of Christianity" or "To be a Satanist, you must believe in the Christian God". Diane Vera
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#1. To: All, pandora (#0)
So the feminists have their roots in satanism too. Are you a feminist?
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
No wiccans aren't satanists......LOL
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Wiccans are just satanists in denial.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
So the feminists have their roots in satanism too. The fact that a hostile religious zealot would like something to be true does not make it true. Notice that the person does not say what ideas were incorporated. He only says that "some ideas were paraphrased". He doesn't say what the ideas were or how they were paraphrased or incorporated. Which ideas were these anyway? Maybe the idea that he sun comes up in the east? Maybe some other mundane idea that would negate the smear if the whole truth were known?
Wicca is a made-up religion that got its offical start in the 1930's.
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
The idea that Jesus isnt the son of God is enough. satanist
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Its like satanism going PC.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Exactly.
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
Whose idea is that?
Whose idea is that? GODS
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Actually the records go back to the 1600s for the first groups in Scotland.
You are obviously implying that I said that in an attempt to score debating points. But you know that I didn't say that - and that is why you are now spinning around my prior question. You know if you push too hard I will ask you to post a link.
Actually it goes back further. To the garden of eden when satan the wiccan snake told eve to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Now you really are making things up. I see that you are very uncomfortable with people you are unable to control or intimidate. You should work on that. Take care of your own soul and let others take care of theirs. If your God has half the power you credit him with, he doesn't need your help to manage the world.
How am I trying to control anyone? God gave his followers a mission to tell the world about him. So his followers should tell others, shouldn't they.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Well, it wouldn't have to have been quite so "reconstructed" if the Christians hadn't killed all the pagans that refused to convert. Not very Jesus-like, I'd say.
I love children, but I can never finish a whole one.
In point of fact, the 'Old Religion' became non-existent with ancient history, as in one example, when the Roman Army destroyed the Druid religious complex on the isle of Anglesey. Modern day wiccans are practising a mishmash of contrived beliefs derived not only from OTO, but also Eastern religions, and imaginings from sci-fi writers/ new agers, and such oddities as leftovers from the acid trips of the 1960s looking for an escape from the horrors of the Vietnam conflict. So, this idea that somehow, the Key to Gods, Goddesses & deep reality is somehow reclaimed by wiccans is nonsense. Are the wiccans satanists? No. I don't think so. Satanic followers are explicit followers in the Christian Lucifer-- the Devil, the Deciever, the Grand Liar, etc. Satanists are devoted to greed, avarice, malice, exploitation of others, and in general-- in opposition to the teachings of Jesus. There are also Luciferians. These are people who believe that good & evil don't really matter, in the long run. Good may be Evil, and Evil may be Good. Morality is extremely flexible, and if there is anything absolute, it is that there is nothing absolute. These people may also believe that God is evil, and devils are good-- Good and Evil are the same. The hallmark of this philosophy is cynical hopelessness, and also psycopathy--since if I hit you or kiss you-- it's all the same.
"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318
By trying to force your ignorant, medieval beiief structure down peoples' craw and by insulting them if they are too bright to fall for it. Any other questions?
Except we believe in no such character as Satan. How do you like being told Christian fundies are Taliban Jihadists in denial? I would say that is far more true then your laughable statement. ;-)
Ferret, you don't understand the basic tenet of Fundamentalist Christianity: The more you gas on about Jesus, the less you have to act like him. Keep this in mind and everything Stone does makes perfect sense.
Heh heh. Hey, many Funlessmentalcase...err...Fundamentalist Christians love Christ so much, they want this nation to be a theology much like Iran is so they can prosecute and persecute anyone who disagrees with them. And if A Jesus Christ actually did ever show up on the scene, they would nail him up just as they say the Romans did for having the audacity to suggest they act like and believe in what he is actually said by the dominant version of the Bible's New Testament and to abandon their paradigm of lust for social, political and economic power. They could even do it easier with finished lumber, a genuine nail gun and videotape the whole thing to watch and relive the enjoyment of it all later. Believe me, if there is one thing that I understand, loath and live in disgust of, it is fundies.
Satan was a wiccan snake? Stone you are cute and funny!
I notice this article refers to "literary satanism" in several places. To me, that reads "fictional satanism." Just thought I'd toss it out there that the Church of Satan, as founded by Anton LaVey, purports NOT to believe in "God, the Devil, or any other non-human deities." My observation about the genesis of wicca in its current state is that it is based on literature written by controversialist writers and wannabe cult leaders who wanted to make money selling books and/or mooching off idle-minded wealthy children. More recently, it has morphed into a vague religious codification of modern PC/feminist ideology. The omni-pantheon thing seems to be there to make it adaptable to differing aesthetics and cultural identities. On an individual level, a big motivating purpose among many mature wiccans is sex with novice indoctrinees. Believe it. There were always undertones of that, especially in Gardnerian witchcraft. But mainly: attention. These folks are mostly controversialist looking for an argument.
To bright lol.....The only time the wiccans will be bright is when their embers are burning in hell.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Wiccan cult religion is rejection of Gods word. Just like adam and Eve did in the Garden.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Old-time "pagans" weren't Wiccans. Wicca didn't exist until the 1930's. There was any "Wicca" to reconstruct.
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
For your information the highest levels of wicca, as all the other high level "secret societies" practice satanic ritual abuse and human sacrifice, to name just a couple of the antics these types get up to. A good place to start researching this information is: http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/archv-hm.htm
Truthseeker
For your information, Frankly I don't buy this tired old spin. Here's links for you from us, your friendly nighborhood Wicca practioners:
I am much too old to be duped again. If you like being a dupe, more power to you but you shouldn't expect others, who know better, to follow your example. Btw I am not a christian, or do I follow any type of religious beliefs. I have been studying the so-called occult for 30 years or so. Read the site I supplied and start sorting things out, would be my advice to you.
Truthseeker
I am not a satanist nor have I said that I am a Wiccan. In fact, I have stated that I do not adhere to any religious dogma. I find the various philosophies of interest. Do not judge or label me a satanist. You haven't that right.
I have had that site bookmarked for a long time now. The http://RickRoss.com database has a small section on Wicca too with many interesting news articles about it. Both sites furnished information that strengthened my belief and adherence to Wicca. But thanks for sharing anyway.
I will say this, at the highest levels of these groupings you will find the pentagon. Google Lt. Col. Michael Aquino. He is a very powerful and dangerous government occultist who has unlimited powers, one of them being he is a master trauma programmer. Don't say you haven't been warned. Peace.
Truthseeker
Actually I have the right to label you anything I want. However since you say you are not a wiccan, I will take back that comment. I will leave it at this. You seem to be lost.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
Both sites furnished information that strengthened my belief and adherence to Wicca. But thanks for sharing anyway. So you really are a wiccan. That would make you a follower of satan. Follower of the evil religion.
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
thus sayeth the LORD ?
Are you implying that I think i'm God?
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
I'm having fun, silly goose.
That's ok. We all like to have fun. GO PAT GO
Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson
I would be intersted in finding out more about wicca. I have your links, but is there a national directory where I could find a group in my area? I would like to attend some functions if I could. All this talk has interested me.
I am not judging anyone, I'm just pointing out that a satanist runs all these seemingly harmless "secret societies", i. e., "Mikey" Aquino. The pentagons' golden boy. And this of course includes the wiccans. Studying them is one thing, joining them is another. Truth of the matter is that the elites run the world using black magic. We slaves are programmed to believe there is no such thing as black magic, go figure.
Truthseeker
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