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Title: WICCA / PAGAN Hellbound!
Source: Jesusissaviour
URL Source: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Fals ... Witchcraft/wicca_hellbound.htm
Published: May 21, 2006
Author: ?
Post Date: 2006-05-21 23:42:59 by A K A Stone
Keywords: jesus is lord, wiccan is of satan, get saved
Views: 818
Comments: 57

In their attempts to dissociate themselves from Satanism, Wiccans have tended to distort their own history. Wicca and Satanism are indeed very distinct religious categories. But there are some intimate historical ties between the two, as even some Wiccan scholars are finally starting to admit. See, for example, Aidan Kelly's book Crafting the Art of Magic (pp.21-22, 25-26, and 176).

Wicca is not "the Old Religion", though it does draw inspiration from various old religions. Wicca as we now know it is derived from 19th-century occult philosophy -- including literary Satanic philosophy, among others -- projected onto a non-Christian Goddess and God, plus some de-Christianized Golden Dawn style ceremonial magick, plus assorted turn-of-the-century British folklore, more recently re-shaped by neo-Pagan scholarship and by modern feminist and ecological concerns. At least several different sides of Wicca's convoluted family tree can be traced to 19th-century literary Satanism, some forms of which had more in common with present-day Wicca than with present-day Satanism.

The prime example of literary Satanism that strongly influenced Wicca, especially feminist Wicca, is the book La Sorciere by the 19th-century French historian Jules Michelet (published in English by Citadel Press under the title Satanism and Witchcraft). Michelet's ideas, as paraphrased by feminist writers such as Barbara Ehrenreich and Deirdre English in their booklet Witches, Midwives, and Nurses: A History of Women Healers (Feminist Press, 1973), have played an important role today's women's health movement. (At least Ehrenreich and English were honest enough to list Michelet in their bibliography.) See especially Michelet's introduction. Michelet was, as far as I know, the literary origin of today's feminist image of the Witch as a healer. Among other things, he theorized that the witchhunts were used by the emerging male medical profession to wipe out their peasant female competition.

According to Jeffrey B. Russell in A History of Witchcraft, pre-feminist classical Wicca also drew lots of inspiration indirectly from Michelet. Michelet was a major source of inspiration to Margaret Murray, Charles G. Leland, and Sir James Frazer, whom most knowledgeable Wiccans do recognize as influential. (Russell points this out, yet neglects to inform the reader that Michelet's book is full of passionate, sympathetic depictions of Satan as well as of the medieval witches. Russell too perpetuates the false counter-myth that Wicca Has Nothing To Do With Satanism.)

I'll leave it to the scholarly folks to debate just how indebted Murray and Leland were to Michelet. In any case, the Italian witch mythology Leland presented in Aradia: Gospel of the Witches (originally published 1899), one of Wicca's major sources, contains some diabolical-witchcraft elements.

The very first paragraph reads:

Diana greatly loved her brother Lucifer, the god of the Sun and of the Moon, the god of Light, who was so proud of his beauty, and who for his pride was driven from Paradise.

Most Wiccans don't even know they are worshipping Goddess Diana Lucifera, this goes to show how much research they have put into there belief system. Wiccans usually argue that "Lucifer" is not SATAN but is just "the god of the Sun and of the Moon". If that's the case then Aliester Crowley (The Beast) was worshipping the same god also. The Egyptian sky god HORUS represented the Sun and Moon. I hope you see a pattern here on how creative Satan can be when he hides himself behind many names. The statement that Lucifer was "driven from Paradise" for his "pride" is clearly a reference of the Bible's (ISAIAH 14:12) and (Ezekiel 28:15-17).

ISA 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! EZE 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. EZE 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground..

Obviously Lucifer has been booted from Heaven, Lu·ci·fer meaning "light-bringer" explains this verse written by the Apostle Paul in (CO2 11:14).

CO2 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an ANGEL OF LIGHT.

Satan after being blasted out of Heaven apparently is still able to transform into his shining self when he wants to. That's why many things that look like they are harmless are very much a hazard to your salvation. If Lucifer can disguise himself in something that looks innocent he can destroy you. WICCA is a perfect example of such an attempt to hurt the Living GOD by tricking more of his sheep into destruction. Lucifer still has some bad feelings about being forcefully evicted from Heaven and this is an act of his revenge. He was created in Heaven and was created perfect by the Living God. Until he started to think he could be like the Living GOD. This was his biggest mistake.

Here in (ISAIAH 14:13-15) Satan shows his pride again and pledges his oath that even though he was booted out of Heaven that he will still ascend into Heaven and exalt the throne of Living GOD. Kind of like watching a fight on TV and you see a Boxer get knocked out and fall down so hard that you kinda are saying to yourself "stay down" but his pride is so great he would rather get hit again and suffer possible death. This is already predicted to happen to Satan he will get the final blow to the head very soon.

ISA 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: ISA 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. ISA 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Besides Murray, Leland, and other writers on witchcraft, another of Wicca's main sources is Aleister Crowley. Many knowledgeable Wiccans (e.g. the Farrars and Doreen Valiente) do realize that Gardner's rituals were heavily based on Crowley's rituals, though they tend to overstate the "Crowley was not a Satanist" disclaimer.

Crowley was into Satanic symbolism, in addition to the zillion other things he was into. In some defensive neo-Pagan writings (e.g. the Church of All Worlds booklet "Witchcraft, Satanism, and Occult Crime: Who's Who and What's What"), it is claimed that Crowley was neither a Satanist nor a Pagan but was just into Judaeo-Christian ceremonial magick. In fact, Crowley was very eclectic. Even Golden Dawn ceremonial magick included not only Qabalah and the medieval Christian grimoires, but also Egyptian deities, Greek deities, and Yoga. Crowley emphasized the Egyptian elements, downplayed the Christian elements, and added plenty of other things to the mix, including Satanic imagery galore (such as his invocation of Satan in Liber Samekh, not to mention his constant references to himself as "the Beast 666"). Some will insist that Crowley's Satanic symbolism was merely a joke; but Crowley's attitudes were well within the 19th-century Satanic literary tradition. (In most of the more sophisticated forms of Satanism, the name "Satan" is understood in an ironic sense.) Others will explain that most of Crowley's Satanic symbolism can be re-interpreted in Pagan terms, but this too is true of many forms of Satanism.

Famous Quotes From Wiccans

We are not evil.. We are NOT Satanists!. We don't harm or seduce people. We don't kill baby's.. We are not dangerous. We are ordinary people like you. We have families, jobs, hopes, and dreams. We are not a cult. This religion is not a joke. We are not what you think we are from looking at TV. We are real. We laugh, we cry. We are serious. We have a sense of humor. You don't have to be afraid of us. We don't want to convert you. And please don't try to convert us. Just give us the same right we give you--to live in peace. We are much more similar to you than you think." Margot Adler

You also have something in common will each other.. You are in serious danger of hellfire! Oh I forgot "We don't believe in HELL so we can't go there.." I don't believe in paying taxes but I seem to be doing it anyway.. Not believing in HELL will not prevent you from HELL. You are presently failing the biggest test of your life the test itself is called LIFE.

This page was compiled on FACTS and will be constantly updated.

This page is not complete but holds enough truth to keep you out of HELL.

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#18. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#16)

Stone, I asked you about this five or six times. Go look at the thread. You never said a word about quotes this morning. Not on one of the five or six times I asked you about it.

Instead you ran off and hid when called a bald faced liar.

When confronted this evening, you ran over and put up a false response and then pinged people to it like it had been there all along.

Was Jesus as sleazy as you are?

GO back and read 8, 15 and 17. all three of those times im trying to tell you.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   0:12:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: A K A Stone (#15)

ol.....I took my kids to the creek. We walked through the woods, looked at minnows and frogs. Tried to catch a snake.

You got busted in a bald faced lie. Here is the link:

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=26662&Disp=19#C19

Follow though the posts and pay attention to the times. You then ran off and hid after being challenged on this bald faced lie multiple times.

You came back this evening and put up a lame post explaining yourself and you act like the post had been there all along. The time stamp busts you though.

When confronted on this, you come up with another excuse.

Stone, you are pathetic.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:12:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: A K A Stone (#18)

GO back and read 8, 15 and 17. all three of those times im trying to tell you.

I did read it bald faced liar. I gave you many chances to come clean.

You spun and lied.

Then you ran off and hid.

When confronted this evening, you tried another scam to cover your ass, your lame post of 23:00

Stone, you are a lying hypocrite.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:14:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#16)

There is no lie. I didn't put your part it quotes as I should have.

Stone, I asked you about this five or six times. Go look at the thread. You never said a word about quotes this morning. Not on one of the five or six times I asked you about it.

Instead you ran off and hid when called a bald faced liar.

When confronted this evening, you ran over and put up a false response and then pinged people to it like it had been there all along.

Was Jesus as sleazy as you are?

post 20 on that other thread too

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   0:14:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: A K A Stone (#18)

GO back and read 8, 15 and 17. all three of those times im trying to tell you.

Everyone else can go read it too Mr. Bald Faced Liar. The link is here.

As I said, I gave you many chances to correct your error. What you now claim to be an error in the quotes. You didn't take any of these chances. Instead, you spun and tap danced.

This makes me think that you were unable to dream up an excues for the lie until this evening. This evening when you made your lame CYA post.

In the meantime, you ran off and hid when confronted with your bald faced lie.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:17:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#20)

GO back and read 8, 15 and 17. all three of those times im trying to tell you.

I did read it bald faced liar. I gave you many chances to come clean.

You spun and lied.

Then you ran off and hid.

When confronted this evening, you tried another scam to cover your ass, your lame post of 23:00

Stone, you are a lying hypocrite.

Here are the posts cut and pasted. PAY ESPECIALLY CLOSE ATTENTION TO NUMBER 15 and 20

#8. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#6)

You said the supremes are unchallengeable. So they are a law unto themselves. You admitted you dont think they have to obey the constitution. They are in fact using foreign law. You still support them because marbury said they are the say so. So in reality that is what you support.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone posted on 2006-05-21 15:02:29 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

#15. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#14)

Your the on lying.

they are the Supreme Court who has the unchallenged power to decide the matter and you are some silly dick on the internet.

But go ahead and tell us how you would like things to be.

Anonymous Dead Indian posted on 2006-05-21 14:46:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone posted on 2006-05-21 15:06:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

#17. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#16)

o they are a law unto themselves. You admitted you dont think they have to obey the constitution.

I said that part. That is the reality of your position when you say they are unchallengeable. What are we supposed to go back and only be able to challenge parts of their decisions that are based on foreign law. What does that imaginary process involve.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone posted on 2006-05-21 15:10:37 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

#20. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#19)

Oh, and Stone, you still haven't explained the "foreign law" part of your strawman. Better start spinning or else come up with a quote.

You didn't say foreign law. I never said you did. I was saying that is the logical conclusion of your can't challenge the supreme courts decisions. If you can't challenge them then they can use foreign law can't they. Unchallengeable you said. That means can't challenge for any reason. that's wht UN means. Traitor

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone posted on 2006-05-21 15:16:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   0:17:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: A K A Stone (#21)

Let me reapeat what I said this morning:

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=26662&Disp=24#C24

#24. To: A K A Stone (#20)

....................

The point I am taking with me is that you will lie to disparage another person's character in an effort to save yourself from admitting you were wrong on a silly internet thread.

You are a person seriously lacking in character and morals.

Anonymous Dead Indian posted on 2006-05-21 15:25:54 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:18:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: All (#23)

You didn't say foreign law. I never said you did. I was saying that is the logical conclusion of your can't challenge the supreme courts decisions. If you can't challenge them then they can use foreign law can't they. Unchallengeable you said. That means can't challenge for any reason. that's wht UN means. Traitor

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone posted on 2006-05-21 15:16:26 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   0:19:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#24)

You sure succeeded in spamming this thread to hell.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   0:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: A K A Stone (#23)

Stone, quit blowing smoke. Here is the relevant post and you know it.

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=26662&Disp=22#C22

#22. To: All (#21)

The dead indian would have us obey the supremes, even when they use foreign law."

Stone, go get the link where I said "even when they use foreign law" and post it here.

Or else have the balls to admit that you are caught in a lie.

Anonymous Dead Indian posted on 2006-05-21 15:20:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

It took you almost 18 hours to think up a lame excuse for this. Then you didn't post it upright like a man. You snuck it in like it had been there all along. Thank god for timestamps.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:21:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#24)

and another thing. look at the article title. It says nothing about foreing law. that is the only part i quoted from you. Now appolagise for calling me a liar.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   0:21:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: A K A Stone (#25)

You didn't say foreign law. I never said you did. I was saying that is the logical conclusion of your can't challenge the supreme courts decisions. If you can't challenge them then they can use foreign law can't they. Unchallengeable you said. That means can't challenge for any reason. that's wht UN means. Traitor

Are we trying to change the subject and squirm out of the discussion of your bald faced lie?

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#29)

That is a quote from our other thread fool. Trying to tell you then you were mistaken.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   0:23:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: A K A Stone (#28)

and another thing. look at the article title. It says nothing about foreing law. that is the only part i quoted from you. Now appolagise for calling me a liar.

Stone, as I said this morning, go get the link where I said "even when they use foreign law" and post it here.

Or else have the balls to admit that you are caught in a lie.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:24:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#31)

Stone, as I said this morning, go get the link where I said "even when they use foreign law" and post it here

If the supremes have unquestionable power then they can use any darn thing they want to can't they

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   0:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: All (#0)

Others will explain that most of Crowley's Satanic symbolism can be re-interpreted in Pagan terms, but this too is true of many forms of Satanism.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   0:28:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: A K A Stone (#28)

Three posts say it all stone. You are a bald faced liar that has been caught out.

#1. To: All (#0)

The dead indian would have us obey the supremes, even when they use foreign law. They get to decide everything according to the propagandist posting this nonsense.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone posted on 2006-05-21 14:54:34 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

#21. To: A K A Stone (#20)

Stone sez: You didn't say foreign law. I never said you did.

From your first post on this thread --- LIAR.

"The dead indian would have us obey the supremes, even when they use foreign law."

Anonymous Dead Indian posted on 2006-05-21 15:18:59 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

#22. To: All (#21)

The dead indian would have us obey the supremes, even when they use foreign law."

Stone, go get the link where I said "even when they use foreign law" and post it here.

Or else have the balls to admit that you are caught in a lie.

Anonymous Dead Indian posted on 2006-05-21 15:20:33 ET Reply Trace Private Reply

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: A K A Stone (#32)

If the supremes have unquestionable power then they can use any darn thing they want to can't they

Still trying to change the subject Stone?

I prefer to talk about your bald faced lie this morning.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:29:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#34)

Yes you would have us obey the supremes if they used foreign law. You said they were beyond challenge or unchallengeable. So their reason for their decision doesn't matter if it is foreign law, they are evil, or whatever. They are unchallengeable according to you.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   0:30:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: A K A Stone (#32)

If the supremes have unquestionable power then they can use any darn thing they want to can't they

Stone, quit your god damned tap dancing and go get the link where I said "even when they use foreign law" and post it here.

Or have the balls to admit that you are a liar.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: A K A Stone (#36)

Yes you would have us obey the supremes if they used foreign law. You said they were beyond challenge or unchallengeable. So their reason for their decision doesn't matter if it is foreign law, they are evil, or whatever. They are unchallengeable according to you.

Stone, quit your god damned tap dancing and go get the link where I said "even when they use foreign law" and post it here.

Or have the balls to admit that you are a liar.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:32:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: All (#0)

Most Wiccans don't even know they are worshipping Goddess Diana Lucifera

Are you a wiccan? Are you an indian? You know the indians were wiped out because they were godless don't you?

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   0:34:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: A K A Stone (#39)

Most Wiccans don't even know they are worshipping Goddess Diana Lucifera

Are you a wiccan? Are you an indian? You know the indians were wiped out because they were godless don't you?

Stone, quit your god damned tap dancing and go get the link where I said "even when they use foreign law" and post it here.

Or have the balls to admit that you are a liar.

I am not going to let you dance around and change the subject. I am wise to that tactic.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: A K A Stone (#39)

You know the indians were wiped out because they were godless don't you?

I thought they were wiped out because we wanted to steal their land.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-05-22   0:36:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: mehitable (#41)

I thought they were wiped out because we wanted to steal their land.

The bible said godless people would be pushed off their land by righteous followers of him.

I'm saying that as someone who has indian blood and is proud of it.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   0:38:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: A K A Stone (#42)

thought they were wiped out because we wanted to steal their land.

The bible said godless people would be pushed off their land by righteous followers of him.

I'm saying that as someone who has indian blood and is proud of it.

Stone, quit your god damned tap dancing and go get the link where I said "even when they use foreign law" and post it here.

Or have the balls to admit that you are a liar.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#43)

Stone, quit your god damned tap dancing and go get the link where I said "even when they use foreign law" and post it here.

Or have the balls to admit that you are a liar.

Show me where I said you said that i said that you said that i said that you said that i said that you said that i said that you said the should use foreign law.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   0:40:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: A K A Stone (#44)

Show me where I said you said that i said that you said that i said that you said that i said that you said that i said that you said the should use foreign law.

Stone, quit your god damned tap dancing and go get the link where I said "even when they use foreign law" and post it here.

Or have the balls to admit that you are a liar.

All the links you need are on the thread above. The thread only has about 20 posts on it. You can find it.

You are just trying to change the subject again. But you know that.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:41:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#45)

Quit spamming up the thread with your BS. Now answer the question are you wiccan. Is that why you are so offended by the truth?

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   0:43:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: A K A Stone (#46)

Quit spamming up the thread with your BS. Now answer the question are you wiccan. Is that why you are so offended by the truth?

Stone, quit your god damned tap dancing and go get the link where I said "even when they use foreign law" and post it here.

Or have the balls to admit that you are a liar.

As I said above, I am not going to let you dance around and change the subject. I am wise to that one.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:44:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: A K A Stone (#46)

Quit spamming up the thread with your BS. Now answer the question are you wiccan. Is that why you are so offended by the truth?

Don't run and hide again Stone. I am not going to let this go. I guarantee you it will be a lot worse if you run away .... again.

Not quit your god damned tap dancing and post the link where I said what you claim I said.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:48:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: A K A Stone (#0)

The funny part about this article, is they omit just how many "Christians" will be right there in hell with them.

It just proves beyond a reasonable doubt, that all religions are bunk.

Enjoy your stay in heaven serving your lord. The God I believe in doesn't need me to serve him in heaven. In fact, my God can pretty well handle everything that comes his way. My God doesn't need slaves in heaven. He also doesn't need slaves on this planet either.

My God doesn't need my money to spread the good word. My God doesn't tell me to follow the rules of evil men. My God doesn't demand fealty, or to kill those who defy his wishes, or disagree with his rules.

My God is more than the contents of a book, or what comes out of the mouth of priests, and ministers.

Which is why I know that the idea of ONE faith being better than all others is a farce, and a lie that NOBODY should follow.

This is why when I die, I'm not worried about the fires of hell, or the slavery of heaven. My god has other plans for me, as this universe is a big place that he created, and he might want me to do more good in it than just feed him grapes in heaven.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2006-05-22   0:51:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: TommyTheMadArtist (#49)

You are your own god.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   0:52:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: A K A Stone (#50)

You are your own god.

Stone, you bald faced lying sack of shit.

Post the link where I said what you claim I said.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:54:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: A K A Stone (#50)

In case your very short memory fails you lying shit bag:

Stone, quit your god damned tap dancing and go get the link where I said "even when they use foreign law" and post it here.

Or have the balls to admit that you are a liar.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   0:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Anonymous Dead Indian (#52)

Hope this clears up what you think is a lie.

There is no lie. I didn't put your part it quotes as I should have. The first sentence is what you said. Followed by my opinions.

The point is you said "hey are the Supreme Court who has the unchallenged power to decide the matter"

So you are saying the supreme court has unchallenged power to decide cases. That is the point you were making.

I say no the constitution is superior to the supreme court and if the supreme court makes a decision that conflicts with the constitution that it is really not a law.

Ok back to the foreing law dispute. I said the logical conclusion to your opinion is that the supreme court could use foreign law to make its decisions. They are using foreign law to make decisions. Are those decisions binding on us? Do you think we should follow them? What if they didn't tell us that they were using foreing law to make the decisions, would the decisions then be binding because they didn't tell us? You see when you give the supremes unquestionability you destroy the constitution. You get a group of men who are making up the law as they go along, instead of the PLAIN reading of the text of the constitution.

Error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it - Thomas Jefferson

A K A Stone  posted on  2006-05-22   1:00:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: A K A Stone (#53)

There is no lie. I didn't put your part it quotes as I should have. The first sentence is what you said. Followed by my opinions.

Stone, cut your god damned crap.

How many chances did I give you to clear this up this morning? Five? Ten?

What did you do? Spin and run away.

The conclusion is that this wasn't the story this morning. If it was you would have used it to bail your ass out. Instead you ran and hid.

Almost 18 hours later, when busted a second time, you come up with this lame excuse.

Now quit your god damned tap dancing and post the link where I said what you claimed I said or have the balls to admit you are a liar.

Anonymous Dead Indian  posted on  2006-05-22   1:06:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: A K A Stone (#53)

Ok back to the foreing law dispute. I said the logical conclusion to your opinion is that the supreme court could use foreign law to make its decisions. They are using foreign law to make decisions. Are those decisions binding on us? Do you think we should follow them?

The fact is that much of the legal decisions in Britain, Canada, the U.S. and other places where British law was the basis (and the old Roman law is still much a part of British law as well) we see many similarities in legal decisions presently.

Can these decisions be binding on us? Not necessarily so, but I think we can learn from them since it never hurts to get back to your roots. It's just that so much of it has been perverted from what it used to be. And that is a part of the NWO scheme of things. It can clearly be seen in certain areas, including the perversion of law where we now must suffer the whims of administrative law tyranny dressed up under color of law as quasi-criminal in nature. And they WILL put you in prison for countless victimless crimes, if you consent and waive your rights.

Now we must make many pirates walk the plank and swing from the yardarm. ;0)

"Our constitution relies on our ... freedom to nourish independent and responsible intelligence and preserve our democracy from that submissiveness, timidity and herd-mindedness of the masses... The priceless heritage of our society is the ... right of each member to think as he will. Thought control is a copyright of totalitarianism, and we have no claim to it. It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error. Robert Jackson, US Supreme Court, 1954

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-05-22   1:11:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: Indrid Cold (#7)

Heaven for the climate, hell for the company. -- Mark Twain

Press 1 for English. Press 2 for Deportation.

mirage  posted on  2006-05-22   1:44:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: A K A Stone (#50)

To: TommyTheMadArtist

You are your own god.

Hardly.

You're just mad because your God and his minions have duped you out of all that collection plate money. You're also mad because you know what I'm saying is the truth. To believe in someone else's lie, is to become subservient to that lie.

That's how everyone who follows a particular faith is. They're subservient to their choice of lie.

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2006-05-22   2:41:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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