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Title: I surrender...this shall never be a current news and commetary forum
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Brian S
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Published: May 23, 2006
Author: Brian S
Post Date: 2006-05-23 01:02:21 by Brian S
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Views: 4116
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Try as I might over the last weeks, news and commentary is not relevant to this forum. No problem here, every ship has its course/mission Now mind you, this is not an opus as I may post a "earth swallowed by a busty lesbian" article as need warrants. I thank all of you for the consideration and kindness afforded to me at this venue. Take care and tamp the ground before you. See ya around.
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#30. To: bluegrass (#29)
You're a closet MOTOWN fan!
Disagree. I read most of your stuff, but just don't have the time to respond.
Thanks!
Speaking for myself; I prefer to read the articles, digest them, and move on. I'll grant you articles posted at other forums may wind up with several hundred responses, but 90% of those responses are irrelevant fluff, or turn into pissing matches between people who need to get over themselves. Look at the one here the other day between AKA Stone and those lesbian witches...what a snoozer. If I want to hear people yelling and screaming at each other; I can go to a city council meeting when the school budget is being discussed. In that case, there is always the possibility that somebody's clothes might get ripped off. :-)
Brian, I wasn't going to reply to this thread--seriously--but rather just read comments made by others. However, a couple of things were noted I'd like to comment on. Firstly, I read many articles, and seldom comment. Saying 'ditto' or 'bttt' seem to not be saying much. However, I have noticed in the last couple of weeks, as apparently Chrissie has, too, that seldom, if ever, have I received a comment on whatever I write on threads you initiate. Truly, this past week I've begun to think 'why bother' if it's only a race to post articles for the sake of posting articles. Secondly, I don't seem to have as much time on my hands as I have had at different times--lots of demand being made by yardwork and more importantly, studying my Bible. Thirdly, Neil commented about the effectiveness of a 'number of views' tab. I believe this is a great idea. I happen to read on some horse forums and have been amazed at the number of 'reads' vs the number of comments. An example: someone posts a picture of a newborn foal. There may be 4 comments and 140 views. Or someone poses a question about trimming feet. There may be 5 comments or so, but 300 views! More telling is that on the one that is more attuned to pleasure horses, there are over 800 registered members (you have to register in order to even read on the board), of which probably 25 post with any sort of regularity. And yet if you look at the number of views, they are in the hundreds. And there are always someone coming on with "I usually lurk but because of the topic I want to add my two cents, or whatever....". Having a viewership count would/could also be an indicator to thread initiators, and others, as to the "worth" of the article compared to comments written. Fourthly, loddy was right--there are times you have to lighten up and be silly in order to not lose it! That even occurs on those horse forums I visit-- especially during foaling season. Fifthly, or finally, yet probably most important, I appreciate all the efforts you've put into locating articles worthy of reading. You did the same yeoman work at TOS2, though most of them knuckle-dragging, kneepadding, didn't have the sense to read the article and attack the content or the doer of the content--they preferred you, the messenger. I believe this plays a major part here, Brian, because in general we mostly are fairly like-minded in the political, governmental realm. I do hope you will reconsider what seems to be notice that you won't be around much. Regardless, thank you for what you've done in the past.
My persona exists in that netherworld of irrelevant fluff.... I'm so ashamed. I wonder if Neil has thought about booting me, yet? here's the Hello Kitty® Stratocaster® link again: http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=25643&Disp=10#C10
I don't know if this is true. Most people here read the article and I know that many people who rarely post here come often to read. What might be giving you a bad impression is that the people here pretty much all know each other. They go back a long way. This results in more personal chat than on other news forums. But it doesn't mean that people don't make serious comments on the articles too. The people here also joke around a lot. This does affect the tone of the forum, but it also brings in lurkers and new members. People will come back again if they see something that makes them laugh. When they come back, they usually read and participate in the serious side of the forum as well. Had I the power, I would be very reluctant to put an end to the joking around. Something is working here. This forum is very strong and has a high traffic volume for a forum this age. Have Christine show you, it is probably higher than you realize. And what can the forum owners do anyway? You touch on this and you probably realize they have very little control over what goes up. This is on purpose too. They don't want to decide on content, and the people who post here didn't want that either. So the owners are not really to blame for what goes on. Their feeling is that if someone doesn't like it, they can bozo or scroll by. A really free forum is also a slightly messy forum. You could tighten up the operation in an hour, but you might then be left with a very orderly two post per day forum.
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My observation too..maybe that's what you miss, Brian? The truth is, the articles you post are appreciated far more here than they ever were on LP. I very much appreciate your comments, Dee.
Since I replied this morning I went back and looked at LP at the replies you got there.. and 99% of them are flaming you or making fun of you in some manner.. not sure if that is what you miss ..here you certainly dont get that treatment..so not sure what your beef is other than that you arent getting as many replies here.. personally I go for the quality rather than the quantity..
The number of "views" would be a great addition here - sometimes, I just can't bring myself to say ANYTHING - like today's "OMG - My, eyes" post: I read the article and the commentary, but since it will probably put me "off" sex for a month, or so, I chose to move on as quickly as possible, praying that horrible image to leave my mind.
I'm so ashamed. I wonder if Neil has thought about booting me, yet? Shame shame shame.. ;)
Oh, GOOD GRIEF!
the jpg!! adorable!!
Aahhh.. poor little puppy.. will a rub behind the ears make it better?? ;P
very well said...accurate..thank you.
Well........ah..........er...........thankx for the 'heads up' regarding THAT story! Eweeeeeeee. :)
Exactly. Why should I read one article, followed by 40 nonsensical posts or so; when I can devote the same time to reading SEVERAL of Brian's articles, and actually LEARN something.
LOL. I had forgotten THAT thread.....
Do you like kitties as much as you like horsies?
I think this would be a great addition to the forum and a welcomed feature to your wonderful forum software.
Not too crazy about pink kitties.........but I love cats, dogs, horses, and most other animals. Right now I have a mustang and a cutting quarter horse living on my property. My 18-1.2 year old brother and sister cats died a couple of years back. Only have my 3-legged Border Collie, Luv, now.
Neil, before you add that feature please look into the problem of searching on titles, it appears no search is taking place and the results prove it. Also, I think it would be a good feature to have an automatic search on the title of the article take place when previewing an article about to be posted. If there is a match then warn the poster that it appears this article was already posted. This would greatly cut down on duplicate articles being posted which is happening more and more since the title search doesn’t work properly anymore.
God is always good! I did see that thread and tested it. Yes there's a problem. Searching on a single word seems to work fine, but multiple words seems to have incomplete results. I've not yet examined the code to see what's going on. Searching on titles is certainly useful, but not particularly efficient for the computer as it is (or was) working. But that could be improved. A dup article dectector is on the list. I've not done much with the software of late due to other duties, but I should get a number of things done before too long. A dup article detector would ideally be smart enough to detect similar titles, and the coding logic for that would be an interesting challenge.
I'll add that to the list.
Tell me more about the horses! A mustang is what HILDAGO was, right? ;) And, what's a cutting quarter horse? (I ride mules, mostly! The Dupont Company supplies everyone in Delaware with free mules. Yep, I just go to the corner hitching post and grab any available mule and ride him to a post near my home! [wink] )
Check out the big brain on Neil!
If the case of checking for dup articles, I wonder if perhaps searching on the first 6 or so words of the article might be more effective. Identical articles can have many different titles (AP is notorious for this) but usually the first paragraph of the articles are consistent.
I too think that feature would be a valuable one to have. Brian S, now I'm going to have to start using the 'bot BUMP! so you'll know I've read your articles. I often read and cruise and lurk without comment/reply.
yep. agree.
Who or what is HILDAGO? This one's name is Wolf; his owner broke mustans for BLM; had a chance to get him, so he did. This is a horse worth knowing. Seriously. His owner uses him to move cattle, to check range conditions, etc. Last year, on one of the big outings, the ranch owner provided water for the riders....not Dom Perrione, but Wolf's Dad got PEACH flavored water. At one of the stops, he dismounted and opened his water bottle for a swig. Wolf turned to him with his lip quivering, so owner poured a tad in the palm of his hand; Wolf slurped it up; after a couple of times of that, and the ol' boy trying to get to the bottle top, the owner just stuck it in his mouth and poured it--like when they put a tube of worming med in their mouth. Wolfer loved it. Owner makes sure they have a bottle of peach for all their trips! The cutting horse is a registered quarter horse that is used for close in working with cattle, to separate an animal from the rest of the herd--something they do not like to do, that is, to be separated from the rest of the cattle. This horse is Hawk. And he's a hoot and a half, too. Get a rider in the saddle and he is fearless in working to split cows and calves. And yet here, last year, there were 2 cows sharing the pasture. One was a late calver and the other had a calf with a broken leg. Anytime that calf would come near Hawk, he'd run like hell--scared of the baby! Buck likes to use Wolf in the wild terrain out here. He's really a sure-footed animal and an extremely easy keeper. He will eat sage brush, weeds, whatever...not picky at all. We believe that comes from his being out on the desert range til he was captured, about 2 years old. Hawk is usable out on the range, but he is more valuable with the ranch work he can do--like splitting cattle out to be worked on. Before the place next door sold, my neighbors had mules. Good riding mules. The wife preferred riding the mules. They can be onery and contrary. When I had my sheep here, the neighbors put a hot line up over the top of the fencing to keep the mules from reaching over or thru the fence to grab the sheep.
What about cases where there's a Reuters version and an AP version of the same story? My current plan is to do something like compare the words with more than 3 or 4 letters. More than an 80% match would be a positive test result. Something like that. I certainly don't expect people to be using the title search to look for dups.
bot bump ping list?
Why not use the title search to look for duplicate items? Similar articles are not the same articles. Some reveal new information or updated information. I would think the title search would do for finding duplicate articles most of the time. Of course you would only have to search back for maybe one week from the present date, which would greatly improve the speed of the search I would think.
God is always good! Exactly. This forum doesn`t have the left vs right, or the DEM vs REP trash debates. Most of the members here are on the same page about current events and other subjects. There are a couple here who don`t agree with the views on certain events, but overall this forum is a safe haven from the WWF BS, that ruins most other forums. There are plenty of forums where you can read how great Hillary and the DEMS are, or how Bush and the REPS are saving us from the terrorists. I post here because of the fact that we are like minded, independent of the two party system, and help each other research topics we have in common. I think in the past, I`ve thanked Brian for his tireless posting of all range of articles and subjects. So, Brian if you missed my past post, thanks for the articles.
Just because it seems a pain to do every time you want to post something. If the purpose of that is just to find out if what you're about to post has already been posted, then the software should do the screening footwork automatically. I'd rather spend time making that than adding a 1 week feature to the title searching.
Oh I agree that it would be good to have the software do this automatically. I just guess I don't see the real need to find similar articles with different titles when searching for a duplicate article. An article may be similar to another article yet reveal different information and/or have a different perspective.
God is always good! There are a couple here who don`t agree with the
views on certain events, but overall this forum is a safe haven from the WWF BS,
that ruins most other forums. There are plenty of forums where you can read
how great Hillary and the DEMS are, or how Bush and the REPS are saving us from
the terrorists. I post here because of the fact that we are like minded,
independent of the two party system, and help each other research topics we have
in common. I dont agree with all the posts here either
just as with any other forum.. but we did create this forum to be just as you
described.. a haven really from the flaming, the false left/right dichotomy, and
especially PAID posters!! We appreciate each and every poster here.. and do try
to acknowledge everyone but as we grow it gets more difficult.. but we'll keep
trying!
Agreed. I'd say a poster can choose to post an article regardless of what matches came up. They would just be aware of what similar stories have been posted, and when they were posted.
HILDAGO is a film starring Viggo Mortensen and a horse. And, the mules would grab the sheep? Now, that's what I call authentic frontier gibberish! ;)
Well actually that won't be a duplicate article and I sort of like to see all versions of a story. AP, Reuters, AFP, etc.
Call it whatever you want. They have been known to pick sheep, basically lambs or yearlings, up by the wool/skin of their spines. And why would I know that.....because the neighbors were aware of it. Bonnie was a sheep producer from a long time back. She actually spent time in the 'wilderness' with sheepherder's wagon and dogs doing summer herding of BANDS of sheep....a band being 1500 ewes with babies. Before I moved in here, I had a fencing guy come in with a crew and put up sheeptight fencing all around the place--to keep dogs and other critters out. Bonnie knew I was moving sheep in from them. And when the sheep actually arrived they started putting up the electric fencing. At the time, IIRC, they had 5 mules in their pasture which abutts to mine. Wanna argue about horses biting? I can refer you to an article where they just put down a stallion for knocking the handler down, trying to maul her with his knees (7 broken ribs, punctured lung) and severe horse bites all over her back. And this was a horse 'under control'--not just running loose.
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#31. To: Brian S (#0)
#32. To: christine (#28)
#33. To: Brian S (#0)
#34. To: Brian S, Christine, Zipporah, Neil McIver, lodwick (#0)
#35. To: who knows what evil, Neil McIver, Brian S, zipporah, christine, mehitable, robin, lodwick (#33)
Speaking for myself; I prefer to read the articles, digest them, and move on. I'll grant you articles posted at other forums may wind up with several hundred responses, but 90% of those responses are irrelevant fluff....
#36. To: Brian S (#0)
Try as I might over the last weeks, news and commentary is not relevant to this forum.
#37. To: rowdee, Brian S (#34)
Fifthly, or finally, yet probably most important, I appreciate all the efforts you've put into locating articles worthy of reading. You did the same yeoman work at TOS2, though most of them knuckle-dragging, kneepadding, didn't have the sense to read the article and attack the content or the doer of the content--they preferred you, the messenger.
#38. To: Brian S (#0)
#39. To: rowdee (#34)
Good post - thanks for taking the time.
#40. To: HOUNDDAWG (#35)
My persona exists in that netherworld of irrelevant fluff....
#41. To: Zipporah (#40)
Shame shame shame.. ;)
#42. To: HOUNDDAWG (#41)
#43. To: HOUNDDAWG (#41)
Oh, GOOD GRIEF!
#44. To: ... (#36)
#45. To: lodwick (#39)
#46. To: Zipporah, Brian S (#38)
Since I replied this morning I went back and looked at LP at the replies you got there.. and 99% of them are flaming you or making fun of you in some manner.. not sure if that is what you miss ..here you certainly dont get that treatment..so not sure what your beef is other than that you arent getting as many replies here.. personally I go for the quality rather than the quantity..
#47. To: HOUNDDAWG (#35)
#48. To: rowdee (#47)
LOL. I had forgotten THAT thread.....
#49. To: Neil McIver (#11)
It's been mentioned before that knowing how many times an article has been viewed might be helpful feedback. Would you see any value in that?
#50. To: HOUNDDAWG (#48)
#51. To: Neil McIver (#11)
It's been mentioned before that knowing how many times an article has been viewed might be helpful feedback. Would you see any value in that?
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02] More and more of our imports come from overseas. - George W. Bush
#52. To: RickyJ (#51)
Neil, before you add that feature please look into the problem of searching on titles, it appears no search is taking place and the results prove it.
Also, I think it would be a good feature to have an automatic search on the title of the article take place when previewing an article about to be posted. If there is a match then warn the poster that it appears this article was already posted. This would greatly cut down on duplicate articles being posted which is happening more and more since the title search doesn’t work properly anymore.
#53. To: Brian S (#49)
#54. To: rowdee (#50)
Right now I have a mustang and a cutting quarter horse living on my property. My 18-1.2 year old brother and sister cats died a couple of years back. Only have my 3-legged Border Collie, Luv, now.
#55. To: Neil McIver (#52)
A dup article detector would ideally be smart enough to detect similar titles, and the coding logic for that would be an interesting challenge.
#56. To: Neil McIver (#52)
A dup article detector would ideally be smart enough to detect similar titles, and the coding logic for that would be an interesting challenge.
#57. To: Neil McIver, Brian S (#53)
It's been mentioned before that knowing how many times an article has been viewed might be helpful feedback. Would you see any value in that?
#58. To: RickyJ, Neil McIver (#51)
#59. To: HOUNDDAWG (#54)
#60. To: Brian S (#56)
If the case of checking for dup articles, I wonder if perhaps searching on the first 6 or so words of the article might be more effective.
Identical articles can have many different titles (AP is notorious for this) but usually the first paragraph of the articles are consistent.
#61. To: Fred Mertz (#57)
I'm going to have to start using the 'bot BUMP! so you'll know I've read your articles.
#62. To: Neil McIver (#60)
I certainly don't expect people to be using the title search to look for dups.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02] More and more of our imports come from overseas. - George W. Bush
#63. To: Zipporah (#38)
#64. To: RickyJ (#62)
Why not use the title search to look for duplicate items?
Of course you would only have to search back for maybe one week from the present date, which would greatly improve the speed of the search I would think.
#65. To: Neil McIver (#64)
If the purpose of that is just to find out if what you're about to post has already been posted, then the software should do the screening footwork automatically. I'd rather spend time making that than adding a 1 week feature to the title searching.
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02] More and more of our imports come from overseas. - George W. Bush
#66. To: Kamala (#63)
Exactly. This forum doesn`t have the left vs right, or the DEM vs
REP trash debates. Most of the members here are on the same page about current
events and other subjects.
#67. To: RickyJ (#65)
An article may be similar to another article yet reveal different information and/or have a different perspective.
#68. To: rowdee (#59)
Who or what is HILDAGO?
#69. To: Neil McIver (#60)
What about cases where there's a Reuters version and an AP version of the same story?
#70. To: HOUNDDAWG (#68)
Now, that's what I call authentic frontier gibberish! ;)
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