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Title: Is this Theft? BANKS won't give us our money
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Published: Dec 22, 2022
Author: Horse
Post Date: 2022-12-22 19:52:37 by Horse
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Views: 230
Comments: 6

Two years ago, BitChute became the target of an activist group that attempted to shut us down by pressuring our suppliers. As a result, we lost some server hosting, our office space, and other suppliers. We also lost our bank account with HSBC. A bank account we had held in good standing and without any issues since we launched in 2017.

We initially tried to open a new account with a different bank and transfer our money. However, the new bank rejected us just as the funds had reached them. Our money was returned to HSBC, but we could no longer access it, and even today, we still have not retrieved our money from HSBC.

In August 2021, after failing to get a resolution through the HSBC complaints process, we requested arbitration through the UK's banking Ombudsman. We were informed of a long wait due to Covid, which had resulted in many bank-related problems for businesses. It wouldn't be until November 2022 that our case would be assigned.

Since arbitration started we have provided many details including the bank account where HSBC could send our money. Within a week of handing over that information, that new bank account was suspended without notice. We informed the Ombudsman that we do not want to give HSBC additional bank accounts and prefer any transfer from HSBC use a third party such as escrow, even a bag of cash would do. A necessary action that will likely lengthen the process.

It's happening again... That happened 19 days ago, and we still have not been able to get our money from that bank even though we have informed them that we need it urgently to pay bills. It's not clear for what reason they are keeping it.

Now, nearly at the end of 2022, two different banks have our money, HSBC has held it for almost two years.

About us BitChute is a politically neutral company that has a diverse community in interests and backgrounds. We require that users only upload legal content that complies with our terms and community guidelines, and we have a team of support staff that ensure that is the case.

BitChute is pro freedom of expression, a universal human right. Furthermore, censorship and deplatforming are poor ways to tackle societal problems as they merely create echo chambers that can lead to bigger problems in the long run. It is important to allow people to express all ideas as this exposes them to immediate opposition and allows for a public deconstruction of any flaws they may contain. If you are against bigotry or racism or hateful ideologies, you should be for freedom of expression.

"Reputational risk" In recent years financial institutions have been using "reputational risk" to stealthily engage in political discrimination. If a financial institution takes action against a lawful company for its commitment to freedom of expression, that should be a very real reputational and material risk for the financial institution.

The idea that people or companies can be excluded from the monetary system and have their assets frozen over an opinion or lawful actions is despicable. This discrimination must be wholeheartedly rejected if we are to keep free and open societies.

Please spread the word about the unfairness of this, and share this anywhere you can. Let content creators know this is a worthy topic for a video. If you would like to contact HSBC about this or for any reason you can find their contact details here: https://www.hsbc.co.uk/contact/

I wish you all and your loved ones a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year and any other holiday you might celebrate.

Ray Vahey - BitChute Founder and Chief Executive


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#1. To: Horse (#0)

Bitchute is the 2nd best free speech site after #1 Freedom4UM !

I spend hours of my free time on Bitchute it is the best in many respects and could use a bit of help in other areas. But, all that being said "It is very useful and speech is not censored !

noone2222  posted on  2022-12-22   19:57:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Horse (#0)

Is this Theft? BANKS won't give us our money

Depending upon whatever agreements (contracts) exist between Bitchute and their banks when one party holds another party's money against their will it is criminal and called "Conversion" !

noone2222  posted on  2022-12-22   20:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Horse (#0)

I know the pain. In 2021, PNC Bank merged with BBVA. There was a 72 hour period where PNC online banking was down or not working. I imagine that was the merging of the two computer systems. During that period my accounts were hacked. Thieves got into my account and changed the account phone numbers, then they made 9 unauthorized transactions. The first two were moving 9K into my checking and immediately out again. Possible money laundering. Then they moved money out of my checking and out of my mother's checking(I was her POA and my name on account as well) in 6 more transactions over 3 days. Then they moved my mother's savings to checking, and then tried to transfer about 10K out. They moved the money by opening a PayPal link with my bank.

I received no e-mails and they e-mail to confirm all transactions. With the last attempt to transfer $, PNC Security called me. They had my phone number the whole time. I froze all accounts and went to local branch and spent afternoon with branch manager. They got 20K...ouch.

PNC became a brick wall. All regulations require reimbursement on wire fraud within 10 business days. But, banks don't obey any laws but their own. At about a week I filed a formal complaint with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, PNCs regulatory agency. Filed police report, etc. PNC transferred my account to a "Senior Account Customer Relations Agent". I burned through her in no time and got a MORE senior agent who dumped me when she found out I was also recording all our conversations. No law firm would take my case and I contacted 36 firms. I got initial consultations at 2, then they both sent a Denial of Representation letter. Good Luck suing a bank!

Over 9 months later the money came back. Right as my mother finally died of dementia. She never knew. I think it was because I recorded and the agent got some loose lips.

octavia  posted on  2022-12-22   20:47:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: noone2222, octavia (#1)

The best things in life are free!

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2022-12-22   20:50:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#4)

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2022-12-22   20:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: octavia (#3)

Good Luck suing a bank!

Great information. If the situation demands action one might get better results employing the Dillinger method.

noone2222  posted on  2022-12-30   4:12:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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