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Title: House Passes Bill To Rescind Over $70 Billion In IRS Funding
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URL Source: https://www.zerohedge.com/political ... nd-over-70-billion-irs-funding
Published: Jan 10, 2023
Author: Tyler Durden
Post Date: 2023-01-10 16:09:22 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 363
Comments: 7

"We need more customer service capabilities for the IRS, not four Army divisions (87,000) worth of auditors..."


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Appropriation bills have to be approved in the House. The IRS expansion is dead.

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#1. To: Horse (#0)

When 90 percent of the audits went to the poorest of Americans, you suddenly realize who the IRS really works for and it isn’t the American People.

"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2023-01-10   21:36:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Horse, 4um (#0)

The Senate won't pass that.

RINOs: "Too bad, peons. We tried."

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-01-11   7:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Horse (#0)

WTH ALERT. They may MEAN well...or is this one of those wily "Oh PLEASE don't throw me in that Briar Patch" scenarios?

Republicans in the House of Representatives will vote on a bill that would abolish the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), eliminate the national income tax and replace it with a national consumption tax.

Vote on abolishing IRS part of deal between Speaker McCarthy and House Freedom Caucus

We need more Border Patrol agents, not IRS agents: Green

Rep. Mark Green, R-Tenn., weighs in the House GOP push to block the hiring of 87,000 new IRS agents and a new rules package on "Fox News @ Night."

FIRST ON FOX: Republicans in the House of Representatives will vote on a bill that would abolish the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), eliminate the national income tax and replace it with a national consumption tax.

Fox News Digital has learned that the House will be voting on Georgia Republican Rep. Buddy Carter's reintroduced Fair Tax Act that aims to reel in the IRS and remove the national income tax, as well as other taxes, and replace them with a single consumption tax.

The vote on the bill was made as part of the deal between House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., and members of the House Freedom Caucus and was pushed forward in his quest for the gavel last week.

Rep. Buddy Carter, R-Ga., reintroduced the Fair Tax Act as the GOP takes over the House of Representatives.

"Cosponsoring this Georgia-made legislation was my first act as a Member of Congress and is, fittingly, the first bill I am introducing in the 118th Congress," Carter said in a press release exclusively obtained by Fox News Digital.

"Instead of adding 87,000 new agents to weaponize the IRS against small business owners and middle America, this bill will eliminate the need for the department entirely by simplifying the tax code with provisions that work for the American people and encourage growth and innovation," Carter continued.

"Armed, unelected bureaucrats should not have more power over your paycheck than you do," he added.

"As a former small business owner, I understand the unnecessary burden our failing income tax system has on Americans," said Rep. Jeff Duncan, R-S.C., in a statement. "The Fair Tax Act eliminates the tax code, replaces the income tax with a sales tax, and abolishes the abusive Internal Revenue Service. If enacted, this will invigorate the American taxpayer and help more Americans achieve the American Dream."

I support the Fair Tax because it simplifies our tax code," said Rep. Bob Good, R-Va., in a statement. "This transforms the U.S. tax code from a mandatory, progressive, and convoluted system to a fully transparent and unbiased system which does away with the IRS as we know it. It is good for our economy because it encourages work, savings, and investment. Thank you to my colleague Rep. Buddy Carter for leading this effort to simplify the system for American taxpayers."

"I’m very proud to once again co-sponsor the FairTax (sic) Act," said Rep. Kat Cammack, R-Fla., in a statement. "We’ve seen a continued growth of the IRS and a persistent punishment of hardworking Americans via the tax code. What we’re calling for is a simplified and fair code that works for all, not just some."

"I urge my colleagues to support this commonsense legislation that fights back against the weaponization of the IRS and stops punishing those who work hard to succeed," she added.

Specifically, the bill gets rid of the national personal and corporate income taxes and abolishes the IRS — which is slated to hire 87,000 new agents unless congressional Republicans can stop it — as well as implements a national sales tax.

Additionally, the bill gets rid of the death, gift and payroll taxes, and it would replace the current tax code with a national consumption tax.

The vote on the bill was made as part of the deal between House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., and members of the House Freedom Caucus and was pushed forward in his quest for the gavel. (Nathan Posner/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images/File)

Eleven co-signers signed onto the bill, including Cammack, Duncan, Good, Rep. Andrew Clyde, R-Ga., and House Freedom Caucus Chairman Rep. Scott Perry, R-Pa.

The bill illustrates the hard-line stance House Republicans are taking with the Biden administration and their policies expanding the federal government, including the new funding for 87,000 IRS positions.

www.foxnews.com/politics/...rs-eliminating-income-tax

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Jeff Irwin
@JeffMIrwin · Jan 10
Replying to
@sarahnferris
and
@pas5974
This bill appears to be a 23%-30% increase in sales tax.

That is a MASSIVE tax increase that will widen economic inequality while crashing the economy with a punishing sales tax.

twitter.com/JeffMIrwin/status/1613018176014454784

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Summary: H.R.25 — 117th Congress (2021-2022) All Information (Except Text)

There is one summary for H.R.25. Bill summaries are authored by CRS. Shown Here:

Introduced in House (01/04/2021)

FairTax Act of 2021

This bill imposes a national sales tax on the use or consumption in the United States of taxable property or services in lieu of the current income taxes, payroll taxes, and estate and gift taxes. The rate of the sales tax will be 23% in 2023, with adjustments to the rate in subsequent years. There are exemptions from the tax for used and intangible property; for property or services purchased for business, export, or investment purposes; and for state government functions.

Under the bill, family members who are lawful U.S. residents receive a monthly sales tax rebate (Family Consumption Allowance) based upon criteria related to family size and poverty guidelines.

The states have the responsibility for administering, collecting, and remitting the sales tax to the Treasury.

Tax revenues are to be allocated among (1) the general revenue, (2) the old-age and survivors insurance trust fund, (3) the disability insurance trust fund, (4) the hospital insurance trust fund, and (5) the federal supplementary medical insurance trust fund.

No funding is authorized for the operations of the Internal Revenue Service after FY2025.

Finally, the bill terminates the national sales tax if the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution (authorizing an income tax) is not repealed within seven years after the enactment of this bill.

www.congress.gov/bill/117...ss/house-bill/25?r=96&s=1

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Folks, the 16th Amendment did not create a new tax on MOST Americans, it only redefined the SOURCE of INCOME from the FEDS. The FEDERAL Income Tax is a TAX on FEDERAL INCOME. If you are not employed by the federal government and/or do not receive federally connected income, you do not owe any tax to the Feds, and in many if not most, or all, cases, to the State. We've been terribly deceived:

from Pete Hendrickson, author of CRACKING THE CODE, on gab:

gab.com/LostHorizons

"Pete Hendrickson
@LostHorizons
Dec 12, 2022 · · The Biggest Snow-Job In World History: The Myth That 1913 America Adopted A Marxist Progressive Tax On "All That Comes In"

Thank goodness the sun is now shining...

YOU'VE GOT TO ADMIRE THE CHUTZPAH of the state-loving, Americanism-hating Fabian socialists who infiltrated our schools and media in the early decades of the 20th century. These intellectual saboteurs pitched a truly absurd notion-- that in 1913 America adopted the kind of broad-application income tax advocated by Karl Marx. And they pitched this nonsense in the face of direct contradiction by every authority imaginable.

But the saboteurs did their work relentlessly, and with the clever exploitation of current events and the co-option of two powerful special interests. Over the course of 30 years, from 1913 to 1943, the saboteurs successfully "memory-holed" what had been universal public understanding of the 16th Amendment and the tax laws with which it was concerned in America.

In place of an accurate understanding of the income excise the saboteurs implanted a myth that the 16th Amendment was some kind of transformational political and legal event. According to this myth our great-grandparents inexplicably abandoned the core governmental structure under which they had grown to be the freest and most prosperous society in world history-- a strictly limited federal tax authority-- and replaced it with the most puissant foundational element of a communist social structure-- an authority allowing the state to reach into every pocket to take whatever the collective deems necessary for re-distribution to whomever the collective imagines needs it more (or for any other purpose dreamt up by those in public office).

The success of the myth-mongering saboteurs ushered-in a sustained period of widespread historical and legal delusion-- the healthiest environment for the flourishing of the Leviathan they serve. And flourish it did.

The myth is easily recognized as a transparent lie, once you know to look...

Continued: losthorizons.com/N/222.htm#3 "

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Think about what happens if they succeed in laying on us all their Central Bank Digital Dollars. The tax that was only laid on Federal workers and contractors, FOR THE MOST PART, will now be laid on us all, and our children, and great-grandchildren, etc. etc., $30 TRILLION AND GROWING, NO ESCAPE, extracted by the bank at point of sale. There will be no "saving", no "investment", etc., because remember, YOU WILL OWN NOTHING AND BE HAPPY. You will be given an allowance, and you will spend it or lose it, as long as you keep your nose clean and get your jabs.

2 MINUTE VIDEO:

HOW THEY WILL LIKELY ATTEMPT TO FORCE CBDC UPON US (Video)

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"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2023-01-12   5:26:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Horse, All (#3) (Edited)

From Devvy Kidd, WHY AN INCOME TAX IS NOT NECESSARY TO FUND THE U.S. GOVERNMENT

long article, and lots of good info, but wrong about the 16th Amendment, etc., as pointed out above

"...Where do your "income" tax dollars go?

The best place to look for an answer to this question would be a government report, so let's take just one at random:

President's Private Sector Survey On Cost Control A Report to The President (Reagan)

January 15, 1984. Available from the Congressional Research Service. The excerpt below can be found on page 12.

"Importantly, any meaningful increases in taxes from personal income would have to come from lower and middle income families, as 90% of all personal taxable income is generated below the taxable income level of $35,000.

Further, there isn't much more that can be extracted from high income brackets. If the Government took 100% of all taxable income beyond the $75,000 tax bracket not already taxed, it would get only $17 billion, and this confiscation, which would destroy productive enterprise, would only be sufficient to run the Government for several days.

Resistance to additional income taxes would be even more widespread if people were aware that:

With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100% of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal Government contributions to transfer payments.

In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their government."

So what we have is a central bank issuing worthless paper "money" that controls our economy, our lives and our future. This private banking cartel was unconstitutionally granted this power by a devious, scheming group of senators back in 1913. In essence what they did was place the American people into indentured servitude by forcing The People to pay usury on worthless fiat currency (paper money created out of nothing), not to fund the government, but to enrich the bankers and fund wars in which America should never be involved. This system exists not to fund the government, but to allow the U.S. Congress carte blanche power to continue funding unconstitutional agencies and programs by providing them with a bottomless source of worthless ink.

The National Debt and the Deficit

These two little bookkeeping items are not the same thing. Few Americans actually know the difference, but the difference is quite important. We continually hear members of Congress, president after president, and political pundits call for "reduction in the debt." But what does that really mean? Here's how it works in the most simplified way to fit into this document:

Let's say that for 2002, Congress and the President decide they want $1.7 trillion dollars to fund this bloated pig called our government. We know that 100% of all personal "income" taxes extorted by the IRS goes to the "Federal" Reserve Banking System and does not fund a single function of the government. So, let's take the people's blood and sweat off the table.

What other revenues does the government collect? Corporate taxes, social security taxes, constitutional revenues such as excise taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, tobacco, firearms, tires, etc., tariffs on trade, military hardware sales, and some minor categories. [[[***This doesn't even account for the *** CAFR's : cafr1.com/BiggestGameInTown.html ]]] Let's say that those revenues will total $900 billion dollars. The politicians want $1.7 trillion to spend on their favorite welfare programs, wars and foreign welfare, but have a short fall of $800 billion dollars. This is called the deficit and the deficit, created by the spending of Congress, creates the "national debt."

How? Because the politicians are $800 billion dollars short, they simply call up Al Greenspan and borrow your children's and grand babies' futures. The "Federal" Reserve Banks don't loan anything of value to Congress. They aren't banks; they're really an overpaid, powerful, private accounting service. When that $800 billion dollars worth of ink is transferred to the Treasury, it gets piled on top of the existing "national debt."

This is how the magical money machine works. Congress overspends. It borrows from this accounting firm called the "Fed" and then turns around and tells you to pay for these crimes against the people. In other words, Congress basically pays the bills with social security and borrowed ink from the "Fed." Pretty slick scam, wouldn't you say?

The people of America are also responsible to a large degree for this out-of-control spending. Americans have been bred to a welfare dependent mentality. Special interest groups who have no interest in the U.S. Constitution, demand that billions of dollars be spent on their pet interests. Billions upon billions of dollars have been unconstitutionally thrown to foreign governments, some days our friend, a week later our enemies. They are only our friend as long as the U.S. throws money at their corrupt governments.

Billions of dollars have unconstitutionally been spent on grants to colleges and universities, which in turn sell their research to the highest bidder, paid for by the sweat off the back of the little guy out in America. No, they don't return any back to the little guy who funded these studies and research programs.

As long as the American people themselves condone continued unconstitutional spending by Congress, the longer they will violate their oath of office, and continue to fund unconstitutional expenditures, placing your children and grand babies in a state of unpayable, massive debt.

Unless The People demand an end to this insanity, our economy eventually will collapse under the weight of this massive, unpayable debt, no matter how much ink the "Fed" transfers into the coffers of the U.S. Treasury. The pain of withdrawal from unlawful government hand-outs will be far less now than it will be down the road.

America became the greatest, debt free nation on earth by a resourceful, independent, self reliant people. Sadly, today we have a large percentage of our population who can't get through the day without a government memo telling them how, step-by-step, with a redistribution of average, ordinary Americans assets into the hands of the unproductive. A very sad commentary to what made our nation great and prosperous...

"...read Congressman Louis McFadden's indictment on the Federal Reserve Corporation. It is a very concise explanation of how the international banking cartel has been sacking this country's wealth since 1913.

Don't be fooled by this chant around the country for a flat tax, a consumption tax, sales tax or any other kind of personal income tax. There is absolutely no authority in the U.S. Constitution to implement any of these forms of taxation without apportionment. It is for this reason and this reason alone, that when it became apparent that the 16th Amendment was not going to be ratified by the states, fraud was committed and it was simply "proclaimed" ratified by then Secretary of State Philander Knox.

We don't need any direct taxation and these popular mantras are just new lies to replace old lies. Any one of these forms of taxation will still feed the cancer: the central bank. Any one of these forms of taxation is just another way to fleece the American people to enrich the pockets of the international banking cartel. Please consider the words of Congressman Ron Paul:

"Strictly speaking, it probably is not necessary for the federal government to tax anyone directly; it could simply print the money it needs. However, that would be too bold a stroke, for it would then be obvious to all what kind of counterfeiting operation the government is running. The present system combining taxation and inflation is akin to watering the milk: too much water and the people catch on."

Please don't fall for these alternative taxing SCHEMES. The banking cartel doesn't care what form it is they fleece your hard earned dollars (flat tax, fair tax, sales tax, etc.) - just as long as they continue to steal from us:..."

www.devvy.com/notax.html

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by Peter E. Hendrickson

Regarding Tax "Reform"

An astonishing number of Americans continue to call for the enactment of a "national sales tax" (such as the so-called 'Fair Tax'). These poor folks have let themselves be suborned into thus endorsing the notion that the federal government has a legitimate claim on an unlimited portion of every American's personal property-- enforceable by one means or another-- in exchange for nothing more than being spared getting a headache filling out a bunch of tax forms each year (or going to the trouble to learn the truth about the law).

Understand, the sole "benefit" pitched by boosters of this shell-game "reform" is that the individual paperwork burden would diminish. Everyone would still have just as much of their property taken. What this is really all about is distracting Americans from consideration of the real issue-- that is, who actually has a lawful claim to all that money-- by dangling a minor symptomatic relief in front of them. It is with these folks in mind that I offer the following comments...

Regarding Tax “Reform”

"Every reform is only a mask under cover of which a more terrible reform, which dares not yet name itself, advances." -R. W. Emerson

Now that the current income tax structure has been deciphered and revealed to be benign in 'Cracking the Code- The Fascinating Truth About Taxation In America',*** it falls to all of us to actively and strenuously resist any attempt by the tax beneficiary crowd to replace that structure-- which they are coming to recognize as fatally compromised, for their purposes-- with an alternative, such as a national sales tax or value-added tax. Such alternatives-- all of which would seek to maintain spending at or near current levels-- would quickly be riddled with exceptions, special-interest pay-offs and so forth; as well as the subsidies and associated means-testing necessary to forestall what would otherwise be an intolerable burden for the poor. They would quickly become indistinguishable from the current regime in complexity, bureaucracy, and injustice. More importantly, depending upon how such an alternative was instituted, we might never be rid of it.

After all, a broad-based federal sales tax or VAT-- which would be functionally involuntary in nature (thus, direct), and would lack any effective connection between the federal government and the object of the tax as well-- is just as much prohibited by Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution as is the general tax on receipts that most Americans misunderstand the income tax to be, and thus would be unconstitutional without an amendment. However, with the income tax having been broadly misunderstood-- and thus obnoxiously misapplied-- for so long that many Americans have reached an, "Anything but this!" attitude, there is every danger that the general public could take the position that if a Constitutional amendment would rid us of that current regime, then so be it..."

https://losthorizons.com/comment/RegardingTaxReform.pdf

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edit

What other revenues does the government collect? Corporate taxes, social security taxes,

Social security taxes, like income taxes, are owed by federally-connected workers, same with corporations. Take Trump for instance, money he took in from his PRIVATE hotels was not taxable unless it was federally connected in some way.

On the other hand, pretty sure social security INCOME is taxable, as it is federally-connected.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2023-01-12   6:01:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#3)

My Dad tried to declare bankruptcy when we lived in Chicago. He had some bozo lawyer that screwed it up and he had to vacate.

I still remember the IRS agent that came to the front door. He was wearing a wool suit and cufflinks. Nice work if you can get it. :-/

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2023-01-12   6:05:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: BTP Holdings (#5)

I still remember the IRS agent that came to the front door. He was wearing a wool suit and cufflinks. Nice work if you can get it. :-/

I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. What did the IRS have to do with it? Did they have a (likely fraudulent) lien on the property?

excerpt:

"...the authorities for lien, levy and seizure are found in title 27. Title 27 is only Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms!

Knowing the authorities only apply in ATF, let me ask you this question ...

Is your property found in §7301, §7302, §7303 or §7304?

When was subtitle "F" enacted?

Subtitle "F" is where all the enforcement provisions for lien, levy and seizure are located. The code itself makes this statement:

26 IRC §7851(a)(6)(A)

"General Rule. -- The provisions of subtitle F shall take effect on the day after the date of enactment of this title and shall be applicable with respect to any tax imposed by this title."

Has title 26 (the code) been enacted into law? The unbelievable answer is, NO! The whole of title 26 has never been enacted into positive law. On January 14, 1983 (which was written into the the 1982 United States Code) Speaker of the House Thomas O'Neill wrote the following:

"Titles 1, 3, ... 23, 28, ... have been revised, codified, and enacted into positive law and the text thereof is legal evidence of the laws therein contained. The matter contained in the other titles of the Code is prima facie evidence of the laws."

Notice Title 26 is nowhere to be found. You can verify this by looking at the inside cover page of any volume of United States Codes. You'll notice Title 26 is missing the asterisk which indicates the title was enacted into positive law. If the code was never passed into positive law, what is §7851 saying? Here it is again.

26 IRC §7851(a)(6)(A)

"General Rule. -- The provisions of subtitle F shall take effect on the day after the date of enactment of this title and shall be applicable with respect to any tax imposed by this title."

It's saying the codes in 26 IRC are not effective. The codes will not become effective until Title 26 has been enacted into positive law. This does not mean the underlying code is not backed by law. The codes can be used as "prima facia evidence" that a law exists, but are not laws themselves. There is a difference. Taken at face value, however, the code is saying the day after Title 26 is enacted into positive law will be the day the provisions take effect ... not one day sooner!

I write this solely for those of you who wish to research this angle of the law. It is true (and truth is truth) but I would not rely on this information in a court of law. It has a "silver bullet" taste and that always makes me defensive! Your case should be grounded in law. ..."

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2023-01-12   10:19:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)

I work with this young man whose parents declared bankruptcy. They got to keep their home and car.

I told that guy, "I hope you are ready to be inundated with credit card offers since you can only declare personal bankruptcy every seven years." ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2023-01-14   9:10:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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