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Ron Paul See other Ron Paul Articles Title: IN THE 1930S, AMERICA DEFAULTED ON ITS DEBT. IT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN. FDR's Decision to Drop the Gold Standard Holds Resonance Today as Big Bills Come Due IN THE 1930S, AMERICA DEFAULTED ON ITS DEBT. IT COULD HAPPEN AGAIN. FDR's Decision to Drop the Gold Standard Holds Resonance Today as Big Bills Come Due by REED JOHNSON | JUNE 21, 2018 In the darkest days of the Great Depression, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, with support from Congress and the Supreme Court, agreed to wipe out more than 40 percent of public and private debts. With that decisive action, the United States staved off bankruptcy and began to claw its way back to stability and, eventually, prosperity. But could the default scenario repeat itself—especially now that the United States is shouldering about $22 trillion of debt, plus tens of trillions more in Medicare, Social Security, and unfunded state and local pension obligations? That unsettling prospect was the topic at a Zócalo/UCLA Anderson event titled “Could the United States Ever Go Bankrupt?” held at the RedZone at Gensler, in downtown Los Angeles. Moderator Warren Olney, host of KCRW’s “To the Point,” fired probing questions at Sebastian Edwards, a UCLA Anderson School of Management international economist and author of American Default: The Untold Story of FDR, the Supreme Court, and the Battle Over Gold, as the two men examined the financial perils that nearly sank the United States in 1933, as well as those that could be lurking in 2019 or 2020. Yet, though their subject was serious, the repartee maintained a light touch. At one point, Edwards disclosed that his publisher had wanted him to sneak the word “Bitcoin” into his book’s subtitle, to sex it up more. Edwards also offered the aside that one of Roosevelt’s celebrated “Brain Trust” of advisers, Burton K. Wheeler, a New Deal Democrat who later broke with FDR, appears as the vice president in President Charles Lindbergh’s administration in Philip Roth’s 2004 semi-fictitious novel The Plot Against America. “An economist who reads Philip Roth,” Olney joked, “I think that’s pretty good.” And when an audience member, during the question-and-answer period, asked Edwards what would be the fastest way for a rival world power like China to drive the United States into default and bankruptcy, Olney piped up, “Don’t tell him!” In fact, Edwards replied, plotting an online attack would be the swiftest means of bringing Uncle Sam to his candy-striped knees. “If a hacker were to stop the payment system, that would be devastating,” he said. “Devastating” describes the impact of the Great Depression, and the main part of Wednesday’s discussion was devoted to Edwards recounting and dissecting what caused that global financial meltdown, and how FDR mustered economic policy to deal with the resulting social calamity in 1933—a year that, Olney said, “may well have been the most active and change-worthy in the peacetime United States.” By the time FDR was sworn into office in March of that tumultuous year, America was heading toward unemployment of greater than 30 percent. National income would eventually drop 60 percent. Auto production and agricultural prices each fell about 80 percent, as farmers watched their mortgages sink underwater. Ruined men were jumping off buildings in despair. Small, weak banks were failing by the score. And FDR’s predecessor, Herbert Hoover, was pressing the incoming Roosevelt administration to declare a bank holiday that would give the country some precious time to catch its breath while searching for ways to restore confidence in the economy. The truth was that nobody, from Wall Street to Washington, really had any idea about how to fix the mess. Roosevelt, ever the political tactician, had declined Hoover’s proposal. But on April 5, 1933, within a month of taking the oath of office, FDR issued an executive order compelling each and every American, within three weeks, to sell all gold in their possession beyond a value of $100 to the U.S. government, at the official price of $20.67 per ounce. The order, published in newspapers and broadcast over radio, carried a non- compliance penalty of a $10,000 fine, 10 years’ imprisonment, or both. This applied to all kinds of citizens. Grandmothers who’d stuffed gold coins in their mattresses as a hedge against the meltdown had to fork over their stashes. Kids who’d been given gold coins for a birthday or bar mitzvah were enjoined to turn over their holdings for the sake of the U.S. economy. Only dentists and coin collectors were exempted. “The Secretary of the Treasury was the number one coin collector in the country,” Edwards said, prompting chuckles from the audience. Why was gold so badly needed by the U.S. government? Ever since Alexander Hamilton founded the U.S. Mint, the United States had operated on the gold standard, Edwards explained. For nearly a century and a half, our gold reserves had guaranteed that the full faith and credit of the United States government stood behind our economy, including our debts. When the Civil War erupted, the gold standard was suspended, and the Union started printing so-called “greenbacks,” but that had been only a temporary measure. During the first years of the Great Depression, the government badly needed to secure the estimated one- third of the gold supply that was being hoarded by the public and corporations. Adding that sum to the federal reserves, even if it required drastic action, was designed to shore up faith that the government would remain solvent. But what FDR ordered had never happened before, and it left a bitter legacy for some Americans. Olney said that his grandmother always hated FDR because he made her surrender her gold coins. She wasn’t the only one. “That is, from today’s perspective, very un-American,” Edwards said. Still, Roosevelt’s stratagem ultimately worked. The combination of decisive action and his “Fireside Chat” radio addresses soothed an anxious public. Before reopening the banks, he’d managed to reassure ordinary Americans that their money would be safe.” And since by that time the economy was beginning to improve, Edwards said, “they gave him the benefit of the doubt.” “It seems to me to suggest that public confidence is more important than gold,” said Olney, in his own calming, made-for-radio timbre. “That’s a great way to put it,” Edwards said. But the question framing the discussion remained, and Olney raised it: Could we be due for a sequel? Our debt is indeed huge, standing at 104 percent of national Gross Domestic Product. (A percentage of greater than 90 is considered by economists to be a red flag.) Our actual total debt is closer to $80 trillion, Edwards said, when you add in all the government’s social service funding obligations. “I think it’s a real possibility that we will default on some of that debt,” Edwards said. And, as there was in the 1930s, there could be another massive legal battle if the government tries to reduce benefits to save money, culminating in another Supreme Court showdown. In the wake of the 2007-2009 Great Recession, lawyers for economically strapped countries like Greece have used the so-called “excusable debt” argument to avoid paying back their creditors. It’s likely that Venezuela, which is spiraling into bankruptcy, or worse, will use similar arguments to try and fend off its debt collectors. As the evening drew to a close, one audience member asked if we might ever return to the gold standard, as a way to keep our financial house in order. Edwards, who spends a chunk of his working life flying around the world, giving lectures, and supplying economic counsel to foreign governments, said that U.S. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky and The Wall Street Journal’s editorial page writers would like us to return to a gold standard. But, despite its glittery allure, the precious metal that once bailed out Franklin D. Roosevelt may not be available to rescue some future administration that spends too much and saves too little. “I think it’s good conversation,” Edwards said of a gold standard revival, “but not feasible.” Poster Comment: With the mentally challenged Bidette in the Oval Office most anything is possible, even trying to get the U.N. Small Arms Treaty passed. But they would need 75% majority to pass that in the Senate. And if China is able to trace back where it purchased the gold-plated bars of Tungsten that could be considered an act of war. Post Comment Private Reply Ignore Thread Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)
With an act of congress we can simply declare the debt paid in full and cancel it. It’s not that fucking hard. What will be hard, is universal debt forgiveness across the board. That will leave a lot of people upset. But you know, with 57 percent of Americans ritually fucked with debt they will never be able to repay, it might change the dynamic quite quickly. "Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist
WRONG: FDR put in the gold standard in the mid 30's, Nixon ended it in 1971 and we had the petrol dollar
Not quite correct. FDR ABROGATED the gold standard. He also called in all gold coins and gold certificates. people redeemed their gold for $20.67/oz. Then it was revalued to $35/oz. That was a nice tidy profit for the goobs. Nixon closed the gold window which prevented foreign countries from redeeming their dollars for gold. Now Ft. Knox is empty except for the 90% pure gold from melted coins. The Federal Reserve took possession of the gold as collateral on the debt. There was even a Die Hard movie made about the gold in the sub- basement of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. Several years ago, Germany wanted to repatriate its gold. Bernanke told them it would take 10 years to get them their gold. This tells me they have leased it out. ;) "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke
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