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Title: FBI Seizes Couple's Life-Savings Without Charging Them of Crime - Here's How It's Completely Legal
Source: [None]
URL Source: https://www.westernjournal.com/fbi- ... m_content=conservative-tribune
Published: May 6, 2023
Author: Johnathan Jones
Post Date: 2023-05-07 22:27:54 by BTP Holdings
Keywords: None
Views: 355
Comments: 14

FBI Seizes Couple's Life-Savings Without Charging Them of Crime - Here's How It's Completely Legal

By Johnathan Jones

May 6, 2023 at 3:17pm

A couple whose safety deposit box was seized by the FBI two years ago as the bureau conducted a money laundering investigation into the owners of the storage company has not and might not ever receive their life savings back.

The FBI has allegedly used loopholes in order to legally line its pockets through civil asset forfeiture.

The owners of a Los Angeles-area company called U.S. Private Vaults Inc. were raided by the bureau after it was discovered they had been allowing drug dealers to launder money through the business, The Los Angeles Times reported.

They accepted a plea bargain that would see them not charged with any crimes but did allow the FBI to take $86 million in cash from various deposit boxes stored at their business. The Times reported millions of dollars more in jewelry and other items were also taken.

Some of the boxes had been used to further illegal activities.

Others were rented by ordinary people who used them to safely store precious items or money

Linda Martin and Reggie Wilder, a married couple, were among those who said they did nothing wrong, other than choose the wrong business to store the $40,200 they hoped to use to purchase a home.

They were given a notice their money had been taken and offered no explanation as to why or if it would ever be returned.

That was two years ago.

The nest egg was seized by the FBI in March of 2021 a legal group is suing the bureau on their behalf.

The Institute for Justice has filed a class action lawsuit in the hopes in get get money back on behalf of numerous people who through no fault of their own lost valuables and cash to civil forfeiture.

The FBI has presumably taken the money and will use it for its own benefit.

But not if Institute for Justice attorney Bob Belden can help.

“The government shouldn’t get to take your property if it can’t tell you what you did wrong,” Belden said in a news release. “Using civil forfeiture, the government decides for itself whether to take and try to keep property, even when it doesn’t suspect the owners of any crime.”

Belden added, “Then, the FBI sends copy-and-paste forfeiture notices that fail to tell owners anything about why it is trying to take their property. That’s not only wrong; it’s unconstitutional.”

Martin explained in the release that the bureau had put her through a major headache.

“The FBI took my savings nearly two years ago but has never told me why,” she said. “It’s been a confusing and frustrating process from the day my money was taken. No one should have to go through this.”

VICE previously spoke to another attorney with the Institute for Justice who said the FBI lied in this case when it went to a federal judge for a warrant to take the boxes.

Lawyer Robert Frommer claimed the bureau’s plan from the beginning was a cash grab.

“The government has a duty to be honest with the court when it applies for a warrant under the Fourth Amendment,” Frommer said. “But the FBI lied about its intentions in claiming to only be interested in the property of the business, and not the box holders. Ultimately, the lure of civil forfeiture turned these federal cops into robbers.”

Sadly, under civil forfeiture, law enforcement agencies can seize the money or belongings of anyone they can convince a judge might have committed a crime.

In this case, people who entrusted their valuables to people who had committed crimes was enough to get them swept up in the mess.

Civil forfeiture is a legal grey area that puts the burden of proof on those whose belongings have been taken, and not the other way around — meaning Martin and Wilder need to prove they are innocent of some crime they have not been accused of.

No one at the FBI is in a hurry to help Linda Martin and Reggie Wilder recover what is essentially stolen loot.

“I felt misled. I felt angry,” Martin told Fox News in an interview. “We haven’t done anything wrong.”

Other former U.S. Private Vaults Inc. customers have expressed identical experiences, Forbes reported.

According to the Institute for Justice, the FBI used civil forfeiture to grab $1.19 billion in cash from 2017 until 2021.

The state-sanctioned theft is completely legal and, according to legal experts, it is also unconstitutional.


Poster Comment:

The cops found a million bucks in Home Depot buckets behind a false wall in the home in Florida. After all the legalities were concluded they had to give back $900,000. It seems they got the usual 10% they always keep, even on cash bonds.

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#1. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Der Gestapo vants theair cut. Chay hedgar vould be sooo prout.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Any sufficiently advanced evil is indistinguishable from stupidity. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")

Original_Intent  posted on  2023-05-07   23:50:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Guess what this tells me. Never keep anything of value in a fucking bank. Bury it, hide it, keep it safe where you know how to access it. Fuck putting the responsibility of safety in the hands of someone who is going to screw you.

"Call Me Ishmael" -Ishmael, A character from the book "Moby Dick" 1851. "Call Me Fishmeal" -Osama Bin Laden, A character created by the CIA, and the world's Hide And Seek Champion 2001-2011. -Tommythemadartist

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2023-05-07   23:51:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

I swear one has to truly have no conscience whatsoever to work for the FBI. They really should be soliciting ex-convicts to fill any job openings at the agency.

Pinguinite  posted on  2023-05-08   0:08:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pinguinite (#3)

I swear one has to truly have no conscience whatsoever to work for the FBI. They really should be soliciting ex-convicts to fill any job openings at the agency.

They are already working for the IRS.

noone2222  posted on  2023-05-08   2:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: BTP Holdings (#0)

Wait until they just take it all via computer CBDCs and every transaction gets run through the IRS books before it hits your temporary account due to expiration policies ! hahaha !

FREEDOM !

noone2222  posted on  2023-05-08   2:55:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: noone2222 (#5)

Wait until they just take it all via computer CBDCs

Yes, they can do that with CBDCs, but they can't do it with free market crypto.

Pinguinite  posted on  2023-05-08   8:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#6)

they can't do it with free market crypto.

Didn't they shut down the cryptos during the trucker situation in Canada ?

noone2222  posted on  2023-05-08   14:28:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: noone2222 (#7)

Didn't they shut down the cryptos during the trucker situation in Canada ?

No, because they couldn't do that. I think they were looking to lock ordinary bank accounts, maybe paypal and gofundme stuff, but crypto they are powerless to stop. No judge, law enforcement, banking people nor army can block that short of locking up or killing the sender. If a free market crypto holder wants to send crypto, then the recipient gets it. Period.

Pinguinite  posted on  2023-05-08   16:15:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: noone2222 (#7)

Canada Sanctions 34 Crypto Wallets Tied to Trucker 'Freedom Convoy'

"The Ontario Provincial Police and Royal Canadian Mounted Police ordered all regulated financial firms to cease facilitating any transactions from 34 crypto wallets tied to funding trucker-led protests in the country." - CoinDesk, Feb 16, 2022

randge  posted on  2023-05-08   16:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: randge (#9)

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-05-08   17:55:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: randge, noone2222 (#9)

"The Ontario Provincial Police and Royal Canadian Mounted Police ordered all regulated financial firms to cease facilitating any transactions from 34 crypto wallets tied to funding trucker-led protests in the country." - CoinDesk, Feb 16, 2022

Okay, the "34 crypto wallets" are actually 34 different receiving addresses of crypto that were owned by the regulated financial institutions that received the order. Apparently this or these banks that are regulated and received the order had some kind of service whereby they would convert received crypto to Canadian dollars and credit that amount to specific client accounts.

And the order from Trashou simply instructed those banks to freeze any traditional bank accounts which are tied to any one of these 34 addresses. It was not any power over crypto itself. Had these donors sent crypto directly to wallets held by the protesters, there's nothing the gov or the banks could do about it.

Pinguinite  posted on  2023-05-08   18:06:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pinguinite, noone2222, Esso (#11)

Well, there's no doubt a central government won't try to hurt, damage or interfere with any person that it considers within its jurisdiction seen to interfere with gov't monopoly on tender, currency, specie or what have you.

Having had dealings with Canadian and provincial bureaucracy, I can tell you these folks are old fashioned and "provincial" to work with. That goes for Canadian suppliers as well.

Thank God that I no longer have to deal with these people or with anyone else that doffs a hat to the crown.

randge  posted on  2023-05-08   19:12:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: randge (#12)

It's a question of what is possible for the government to do, not what they are entrusted with doing or not doing.

Crypto is secured by the laws of mathematics. That is what makes it secure. While it is theoretically possible for some math genius somewhere to crack the cryptography which the gov may get hold of, even if that happened, the gov wouldn't use it to shut down or disrupt the crypto world because if they did that, the secret would be out ruining the gov's opportunity to make the best use of it that they know of, like cracking communications of national state enemies like Russia and China. Blowing that secret to put a temporary stop to crypto usage would be a colossal waste of a state secret advantage.

Like the Alan Turing system that cracked German cryptography in WW2, keeping the cracking of the cryptography secret would be a very high priority, which is why it remained a state secret for a good number of years after WW2 ended.

In other words, even if... IF the gov had the ability to crack crypto, they wouldn't use it. At all. And of course it would also compromise the entire internet economy as it's the same encryption behind secure online credit card purchases.

Pinguinite  posted on  2023-05-08   19:55:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Pinguinite, Randge, Esso, (#13)

Thank you all for contributing to this thread. I have never understood crypto and may have cognitive dissonance regarding it. I definitely see it as a very important subject.

noone2222  posted on  2023-05-10   6:50:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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