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Title: WELL, I DID MY BEST....
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URL Source: http://www.puppysniff.org
Published: May 27, 2006
Author: HOUNDDAWG
Post Date: 2006-05-27 10:12:34 by HOUNDDAWG
Keywords: DU, govt, lies
Views: 679
Comments: 52
I learned yesterday that a family member has decided to join the marines. I immediately called his mother (my cousin by marriage) and asked to speak with her husband. He's a firefighter and was at work, so she called him and had him call me. I told him that half of Gulf War One vets are disabled and over 8000 have already died, the Pentagon's own depleted uranium expert (Maj. Doug Rokke) is sick and half of his team (who went to Iraq to clean up) are dead, I told him that 67% of the babies born to one ALA National Guard unit after returning home have been stillborn and/or grotesquely deformed, that the boy may still change his mind and back out of his enlistment, an after pleading my case I felt that I got exactly nowhere. So, this morning I called my father-in-law and went through it again, and I asked him to GOOGLE a few things up. If anyone can get the boy to re-think his decision, my Dad-in-law can. Because the boy's dad is a firefighter (a govt employee) and is a "good, law abiding, tax paying citizen", he'll no doubt have some difficulty getting his mind around all the things I told him. And, as I explained to my father-in-law, if I don't succeed in snatching this young man away from The Crotch (marines) and he comes back sick or worse, then his parents will die of broken hearts because I tried to warn them. If I don't succeed then it would have been better if I'd kept my mouth shut! When I first explained the criminal federal reserve system and the income tax swindle many years ago, this large, Polish Catholic family thought that I was a communista subversio, but, fortunately many of them are now up to speed on that issue. (It took years and I don't have enough time to leisurely educate them about depleted uranium) I've never told the family the whole truth-that our govt is a criminal syndicate in open rebellion against the people and the constitution, and that our govt is killing and crippling more of our people than the enemy ever could. I saw no reason to tell them that there is no Easter bunny until one of ours expressed the intent to join up. Most of the family are life long conservative Dems and Dixiecrats, union members, state or municipal govt employees and contractors, and this means that the only way I could make my case was to piss on the altar. And piss I did! Like a racehorse on LASIX! My Dad in-law said that the recruiter promised the boy that he'd stay stateside, and the recruiter even put it in writing! I told Dad that it was only recently that a federal court (maybe the SCOTUS, I don't recall) ruled that recruiters may lie with impunity to recruits. Dad didn't know that! Okay, I scored a point! I said that all the boy has to do is tell the recruiter (who will threaten the boy when he tries to back out-I've been through this and beaten the recruiters before) that he isn't going, and to call the lying bastards' bluff!! The marines cannot forcibly induct a reluctant recruit on the strength of a civil contract! If they want to sue the kid for breach of contract, then they must first demonstrate that the contract was effected by consideration and it wasn't! And, even if it was, my answer is, "SUE US! Let's break that story on the national news and see how that impacts your recruitment goals!" (And, we haven't yet told the recruiter about how every time the kid handled a gun something strange happened! It was almost like he was possessed! And, because he did the most dangerous and unpredictable things with a .22 rifle, we resolved years ago to never let him handle any more firearms, especially powerful, rapid fire weapons! ;) In other words, the boy can still change his mind and save his own life. I can't save the world, but, I want to stop this kid from making the biggest mistake he'll ever make. Finally, I told both Dads that even if the boy gets lucky and serves his enlistment and never gets irradiated or shot or injured by equipment failure (imagine high school dropouts trying to maintain tilt-rotor V-22 Ospreys! Would you want your kid to fly in one that was serviced by a failed rapper?) and he returns home safe, he won't have any health benefits because BushCo has closed 7 VA Hospitals and is sending the loot for vets' health care to Halliburton! Please God, help me get through to this kid.
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#1. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
Oh gosh .. how horrible.. but one thing this does reveal is how little Americans really DO know.. even when information is out there .. I sure hope you're able to make him and his family realize what is going on.. hard to know and watch the people you care about getting ready to make a horrible mistake..
very well - written and excellent article. did you write this yourself? Did this happen to you? I have a nephew that joined the marines after I counseled him not to. His mother who is my sister-in-law is a strong war-supporter. The recruiter told him that if he gets his college degree (he's in college now), then he'll be given kushy jobs.
I'm so sorry to hear this, Dawg. Good luck to you and I hope God puts some sense into this young man's mind. I think many of the people on this board share a common frustration because we're so much ahead of the general population (or even other forums) on so many issues and it's really hard to convince people of the truth when they've got a vested emotional interest in believing the govt's cock'n bull story. If you have a VA hospital near you, maybe you could take this young man visiting? The problem is that so many young people don't see the effects of war as this administration works so hard to hide the victims from our sight.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
Oh gosh .. how horrible.. but one thing this does reveal is how little Americans really DO know.. even when information is out there .. I sure hope you're able to make him and his family realize what is going on.. hard to know and watch the people you care about getting ready to make a horrible mistake.. Right, thank you. The others will torment him for enlisting on the strength of recruiter promises! He'll find himself in country, being shot at all day and laughed at all night. "You mean they told you that you were staying stateside, and YOU BELIEVED THEM? Man, you are one stupid bastard!" It'll be a nightmare! At best he'll return with serious psychological problems. No one should have to witness, never mind commit the atrocities that constitute democracy, neocon style.
I have a nephew that joined the marines after I counseled him not to. His mother who is my sister-in-law is a strong war-supporter. The recruiter told him that if he gets his college degree (he's in college now), then he'll be given kushy jobs. Yes, Mr. Red, this is me talking to 4um. Because I'm not Polish, Catholic, a Yankee or even a "taxpayer" the family took their time warming up to me. But, once I demonstrated certain "problem solving skills" they eventually accepted me and my little "kwirks". But, this time it's more than just me wanting to showcase my talent. If the kid goes in and my worst fears are realized, the family will suffer terribly because I dragged them from the darkness, but failed to successfully intervene.
You can lead a jackass to water but you can't make 'im drink it.
Dawg, that's been man's lot since the fall from Eden. Don't feel bad about trying to educate people. Speaking the truth is always a good thing, even if it doesn't appear to be at the time.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
If you have a VA hospital near you, maybe you could take this young man visiting? The problem is that so many young people don't see the effects of war as this administration works so hard to hide the victims from our sight. Thank you. Not only do we have a VA Hospital here (Elsmere DE) but it was the home of the DU PROJECT until the results weren't what The Pentagram wanted, so, they quickly and quietly closed it down! If the kid will sit down with me, I can probably smarten him up. Unfortunately, these wonderful Polish folks do share a cultural idiosyncracy, and that is stubbornness and reluctance to change. (It took them years to accept the idea that an intelligent person can have a Southern accent. And, they still won't eat grits with me.) And, because the family had already tried to change the kid's mind before I even knew, he has his defenses up and he may not listen to anyone now.
I would say to the kid do you really want to enter into a project or job or enterprise without most of the facts? Do you really want to go into it blind? Go the VA Hospital with me, take a look at these guys, listen to their stories (which might be yours someday) and then make up your mind. At least you'll be doing it on an informed basis and with a full awareness of the possibilities.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
The "jackass" is my nephew by marriage and the same age as my youngest daughter. It's not so easy to dismiss my concerns this close to home. I know how this could hurt the family once Bush's war is personal...
Exactly what I told Dad this morning. If the kid is fully informed and makes a decision, fine. But, I submit that no one who is informed would join the marines now! The family didn't have any of the info I mentioned when they were trying to talk him out of it!
Thoughts and prayers up for this young man. Get the family a copy of Joyce Riley's "Beyond Teason" cd for further illumination of how the troop are used.
Excellent info, loddie, I've listened to Joyce for years, and her info really chills your blood. And Joyce is a former military nurse who dealt directly with these problems - I believe she was a Captain?
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
Most are kids.. and usually they look to these people as authority figures.. and dont realize that they are being lied to.. b/c they are taught NOT to challenge authority so the compliant kids are the ones that become the victims ..so to speak.
I started early on mine. They now understand Zionists Jews (Pharisees), Christian Zionists (Christian Pharisees) and Damn Yankees who start wars, make money off of them, but never fight.
Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."
I believe that she was a Captain in the AF reserve...if you have a four-year degree in nursing, or any other "professional" field, you start your military career at Captain - for whatever that's worth.
thanks for sharing this. it is a great article. at least you did your best. You can't control what they think and do.
but yertle turtle - don't you live in the north? Anyone who doesn't live in the 10 southern states of dixie is a damn yankee, virginia, north carolina, south carolina, georgia, florida, alabama, tennessee, kentucky, arkansas, texas - anyone who doesn't live here can be called a damn yankee. those are the 10 states who stood for the confederacy and against the bankers' empire of the union.
Here's a link to Beyond Treason.
Thank you all.
you're but one man and you did your part...what happens from here is not your responsibility, but the boy's. your conscience should be clear. you've done this out of love. well done.
that is a great video, jim.
All we can do is try and get the lad the best information that will allow him to make an informed decision for his health, his life, and his future. Good luck with it.
It took almost one year to dissuade my youngest son. They started calling him the summer before his senior year in high school. The schools hand out home phone #s to the recruiters by law according to the "Leave No Child Behind Act". Zip informed me at the time how, and I verified. The recruiters never asked to speak to me first. They only asked for me after they had convinced him at 17. Then they needed my signature, and I refused.
Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism. – George Washington "If the president made us go to war with Iraq, why doesn't he go over there and fight the war?" Christian May [6th grader] The recruiter has absolutely NO authority to decide where recruits end up. None. They could take his written statement to his superiors and see what they have to say about it. But even in the early 80's when I was in the recruiters would bend and break any rule they could get away with to sign guys up. I really don't think they have any binding tie on him until he's actually on the payroll. If he refuses to take the oath, then that should get him an out. The recruiter's fraudulent statement should be evidence to snap the civil contract. My nephew is in the army. Special forces. Made Seargent in 2 years. That's a pretty good track record but I suspect part of the reason is the enlistment shortage over Iraq.
No it won't, because then you would blame yourself for not saying anything.
God is always good! Try this website to view Beyond Treason.
Thank you, my friend.
That's right. These warmongers put such a low premium on American and Iraqi lives that it makes me think things I shouldn't be thinking....
I spoke to my kids as adults too, and they apprehended that which they didn't comprehend.
Thanks, chris. I'm seriously rattled by this news, though. I take it personally that some shark recruiter is trying to steal one of ours for the goddam banksters and oil companies' wars.
When I was a kid my mom rented a converted upstairs apartment in our home to a marine lieutenant, and he took a liking to me. He was a squared away individual and my role model. (Hey, I was already a cub scout so, I figured that I was half way there.) He was a handsome bachelor who drove a maroon, 6-cylinder XKE, and after he let me inspect his dress sword and other kewl stuff, (and, after I saw him around town with the JAG's top down and drop dead gorgeous ladies riding shotgun) I just knew that I wanted to be a marine officer someday. Then came 22 November, 1963. The events of that terrible day are why I'm the way I am today. Needless to say, when the recruiters started calling here for my youngest son and sending mail to my youngest daughter, my (homeschooled) kids knew better than to give the military any serious consideration.
I really don't think they have any binding tie on him until he's actually on the payroll. If he refuses to take the oath, then that should get him an out. The recruiter's fraudulent statement should be evidence to snap the civil contract. My nephew is in the army. Special forces. Made Seargent in 2 years. That's a pretty good track record but I suspect part of the reason is the enlistment shortage over Iraq. Thank you, Mr. Neil. My half brothers' father was what was known as a "boy chief" in the navy during WWII. Normally a CPO would have 12, 14 or 16 years in, but because of the war losses he was a chief well before he was 30 years old. Younger men and women make fine senior NCOs, but they aren't promoted in peace time because there are more qual'ed, older peeps than open slots. As you pointed out, wars change that.
No it won't, because then you would blame yourself for not saying anything. I'm going to pray that this deal falls through. The boy could probably be hired by the fire department because he'd be a legacy, but, because Wilmington is a "Chocolate City" now, the boy's dad has been passed over for lieutenant 3 times in favor of black men and women. (When the city didn't have enough minorities who could pass the LT test, the black chief and mayor promoted no one until they did! Although it's supposed to be a merit system not patronage based, black folks make no effort to hide what they do.) I remember when he was a young idealist who believed in the system and aggressively fought fires, and he earned several commendations for his hairy-chested bravery. (His brother is a firefighter in VA Beach, and he's the same way. Both were jr. members of a volunteer fire company at 16 yrs old, and both have more experience, guts and brains than those promoted over them to achieve "racial equity". Now, they just want to put in their 20 and get out. Ironically, they both tried to get on the FDNY, and when the towers were demo'ed that was one of the first things I thought of. I'm glad they aren't Irish. Otherwise they may have been there that day.... If the son goes in the marines, he'll find that the corps also promotes based on how PC the class picture will be.
Thanks again. I'll watch it.
A buff, self-assured 27 year old recuiter in uniform can leave a similar impression on a gangly 18 year old.
Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism. – George Washington "If the president made us go to war with Iraq, why doesn't he go over there and fight the war?" Christian May [6th grader] Remember that until, and unless, he voluntarily steps forward, and takes the oath; they cannot compel him to contract with them...but if he does, he's in.
How well I know. Recruiters are in show biz, and that's something I know something about! In fact, I suspect that some of my fans used to hear with their eyes! ;) (I say this because when the light struck me a certain way I was almost, well, handsome!) [smile]
I can't get the picture of our family torn up and grieving out of my mind. And, since I ain't buying that "They sacrificed for freedom" jazz, there will be nothing anyone can say to comfort me if things go badly... Every military-eligible young person should have to read and write a book report on WAR IS A RACKET by Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler. And, I hope I get the chance to explain that no matter what he was told, it ain't official until as you said, he takes the step and the oath.
Can you email him a link to this site, or this thread? Let him read what those of us who've lived through the sixties, and beyond, have to say about sending kids off to die for a lie? Oh, man - I just hope that something, other than a bullet, is able to penetrate his thick skull...
Let him read what those of us who've lived through the sixties, and beyond, have to say about sending kids off to die for a lie? Oh, man - I just hope that something, other than a bullet, is able to penetrate his thick skull... I'm waiting for feedback now. Good suggestion!
I was just thinking of you, Dawg, and wondering if you made any impact on that young man yet. Good luck, I hope he comes around.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
I'll keep you apprised of any developments, and thank you again!
I can't save the world, but, I want to stop this kid from making the biggest mistake he'll ever make. Dear Friends, Well, I heard back about my plea to stop my nephew from enlisting: "The websites were interesting, we're touched by your sincere concern and very much appreciate it, BUT THE BOY HAS HIS HEART SET ON GOING IN THE MARINES!" Why is he doing this? It's a jungle over there. I mean, let's set aside the issue of deadly DU for a moment. The corps has entire street gangs serving together, and none of them are white. Because the boy won't be attending any of the Friday night keggers and rape parties with the others, they'll most certainly shun and despise him. This little, sheltered choir boy is in for a shock to his nervous system so severe that I already fear for him. I mean, would you let someone strap you in, give you acid and force you to watch pure horror? If news reports are to be believed then our young sons and daughters are being exposed to ghastly trauma. No young American who joined with honorable intentions should be forced to witness, never mind participate in these unspeakable acts. And, once the kids' minds are irreversibly impressed, some folks back home think it's best if we dispose of them like battle trained dogs for which there could never be a loving family and a warm spot in front of the fireplace. Jesus these people are stupid. Damn.
"CLIMB MT. NATAKA"
you never know - he could come out of it OK. he could be fortunate in his assignments. pray for him to be protected. that's all you can do. you did your best. my hat is off to you.
so well said, as always. i feel your frustration.
Dawg, you did your best, and God bless you for trying. Some people need to learn the hard way, unfortunately, which is frequently the reason we continue to have wars in the first place. This boy is in our prayers.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
Just seeing what war does to bodies physically should be a wake-up call to normal, healthy people, let alone all the other bs. Just this am on CNN, they were discussing the marines that 'allegedly' killed all the civilians at Haditha. Apparently, there is a young marine who is going through PTSD badly. He had the happy chore of picking up a young child's body to put in a body bag--apparently a headshot/head wound victim--and the little thing's brains poured out all between his legs. They spoke to mother and she was telling of how difficult it is for him. Hell yes it would be horriffic! Why do people suppose that war veterans don't like to or want to talk about their 'adventures' over there......men and women are taught how to kill the 'enemy'---never in their wildest dreams is the 'enemy' a 3 - 4 year old kid, or some elderly stoved up woman. You did your best, dawg, in warning them. Just like with Christianity, you can provide information, but you can't make them believers.........
Very true, dee. My father had nightmares for years after WW2 (he was in the Pacific for the full duration). Not only did he go through the horrors of seeing the guys around him killed, but he also saw atrocities committed on civilians and nurses, etc, by the Japanese. He used to wake up screaming for many years after that. He rarely talked about this stuff, and when he did, the stories were bizarre. I think he tried to focus on the humorous ones but even those had an edge. My boyfriend's father was a partisan fighting in the woods of Russia and the Polish areas against the Nazis. Most of his family was killed and he himself was attacked by the Nazis, but somehow escaped and survived. He still has problems from head injuries received then. He rarely talks about the war. It was too terrible. A friend of mine served in Vietnam - a brave and honorable Marine. He is another one who has great difficulty talking about what he saw and experienced. They push these things way down.
"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."
Your acquaintance with their experiences parallels those of mine....surely, our people are different, in my case, my favorite uncle rather than father, and friends/acquaintances who were WWII and Nam. My uncle adored his nieces and nephews, but the change that would come over him whenever one of our would ask about the war was noticeable---and we never heard about the things that haunted him when he fell asleep at night that his wife had a small inkling of based on his waking up terrified or sick. My uncle was raised on a farm and knew about death and dying because of livestock; and elderly grandparents or great grandparents living with them. He wasn't prepared for sights like young, vibrant people who lay dead or dying with body parts stewn all over hell and back. Nowadays our young people only know death from video games or movies where after a week from seeing John Doe having his blood splattered all over and dying is now starring in some movie where he is doing the maiming and killing. Thinking about this is so chilling, mehitable. Especially when one considers that a few years back, there was a special report about youth killings. They interview 4 teenagers in jail in Florida for killing people. When a 14 or 15 year old tells you that he killed because he wanted to see what it was really like...........looking at these young killers eyes, you could see there was no soul or conscience in them.
Thank you my friends.
"CLIMB MT. NATAKA"
I can't save the world, but, I want to stop this kid from making the biggest mistake he'll ever make.
#2. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
#3. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
#4. To: Zipporah (#1)
I can't save the world, but, I want to stop this kid from making the biggest mistake he'll ever make.
#5. To: Red Jones (#2)
very well - written and excellent article. did you write this yourself? Did this happen to you?
#6. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
#7. To: HOUNDDAWG (#5)
he family will suffer terribly because I dragged them from the darkness, but failed to successfully intervene.
#8. To: mehitable (#3)
I'm so sorry to hear this, Dawg. Good luck to you and I hope God puts some sense into this young man's mind. I think many of the people on this board share a common frustration because we're so much ahead of the general population (or even other forums) on so many issues and it's really hard to convince people of the truth when they've got a vested emotional interest in believing the govt's cock'n bull story.
#9. To: HOUNDDAWG (#8)
#10. To: Splitends (#6)
You can lead a jackass to water but you can't make 'im drink it.
#11. To: mehitable (#9)
I would say to the kid do you really want to enter into a project or job or enterprise without most of the facts? Do you really want to go into it blind? Go the VA Hospital with me, take a look at these guys, listen to their stories (which might be yours someday) and then make up your mind. At least you'll be doing it on an informed basis and with a full awareness of the possibilities.
#12. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
Don't forget the witches' brew of vaccines that he'll be subjected to taking...
#13. To: lodwick (#12)
#14. To: HOUNDDAWG (#4)
The others will torment him for enlisting on the strength of recruiter promises!
#15. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
#16. To: mehitable (#13)
#17. To: HOUNDDAWG (#5)
#18. To: YertleTurtle (#15)
Damn Yankees
#19. To: HOUNDDAWG. all (#11)
#20. To: lodwick (#19)
#21. To: HOUNDDAWG (#5)
If the kid goes in and my worst fears are realized, the family will suffer terribly because I dragged them from the darkness, but failed to successfully intervene.
#22. To: lodwick (#19)
#23. To: HOUNDDAWG (#20)
You're welcome.
#24. To: christine. DAWG. all (#22)
For some reason, Beyond Treason is no longer available on video.google - at least it wasn't a few minutes ago...
#25. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
Please God, help me get through to this kid.
#26. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
My Dad in-law said that the recruiter promised the boy that he'd stay stateside, and the recruiter even put it in writing!
#27. To: HOUNDDAWG (#0)
If I don't succeed then it would have been better if I'd kept my mouth shut!
"It was an interesting day." - President Bush, recalling 9/11 [White House, 1/5/02] More and more of our imports come from overseas. - George W. Bush
#28. To: HOUNDDAWG. Beyond Treason (#20)
#29. To: lodwick (#12)
Thoughts and prayers up for this young man.
#30. To: Zipporah (#14)
Most are kids.. and usually they look to these people as authority figures.. and dont realize that they are being lied to.. b/c they are taught NOT to challenge authority so the compliant kids are the ones that become the victims ..so to speak.
#31. To: YertleTurtle (#15)
I started early on mine. They now understand Zionists Jews (Pharisees), Christian Zionists (Christian Pharisees) and Damn Yankees who start wars, make money off of them, but never fight.
#32. To: christine (#21)
you're but one man and you did your part...what happens from here is not your responsibility, but the boy's. your conscience should be clear. you've done this out of love. well done.
#33. To: robin (#25)
It took almost one year to dissuade my youngest son. They started calling him the summer before his senior year in high school. The schools hand out home phone #s to the recruiters by law according to the "Leave No Child Behind Act". Zip informed me at the time how, and I verified. The recruiters never asked to speak to me first. They only asked for me after they had convinced him at 17. Then they needed my signature, and I refused.
#34. To: Neil McIver (#26)
The recruiter has absolutely NO authority to decide where recruits end up. None. They could take his written statement to his superiors and see what they have to say about it. But even in the early 80's when I was in the recruiters would bend and break any rule they could get away with to sign guys up.
#35. To: RickyJ (#27)
If I don't succeed then it would have been better if I'd kept my mouth shut!
#36. To: lodwick (#28)
Try this website to view Beyond Treason.
#37. To: HOUNDDAWG (#33)
#38. To: HOUNDDAWG (#35)
#39. To: robin (#37)
A buff, self-assured 27 year old recruiter in uniform can leave a similar impression on a gangly 18 year old.
#40. To: lodwick (#38)
Remember that until, and unless, he voluntarily steps forward, and takes the oath; they cannot compel him to contract with them...but if he does, he's in.
#41. To: HOUNDDAWG (#40)
#42. To: lodwick (#41)
Can you email him a link to this site, or this thread?
#43. To: HOUNDDAWG (#40)
#44. To: mehitable (#43)
I was just thinking of you, Dawg, and wondering if you made any impact on that young man yet. Good luck, I hope he comes around.
#45. To: All, ruthie, tom007 (#0)
In other words, the boy can still change his mind and save his own life.
#46. To: HOUNDDAWG (#45)
#47. To: HOUNDDAWG (#45)
#48. To: HOUNDDAWG (#45)
#49. To: HOUNDDAWG (#45)
#50. To: rowdee (#49)
Why do people suppose that war veterans don't like to or want to talk about their 'adventures' over there
#51. To: mehitable (#50)
#52. To: All (#45)
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