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Published: Jun 22, 2023
Author: Whisperin' Bill Anderson - singer
Post Date: 2023-06-22 15:59:34 by Lod
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#8. To: StraitGate (#5)

Why would a pilot make a series of touch-and-go landings? Practice? Fun? Testing the aircraft?

Usually it would be practice, but they can also be fun. Touch and go's are handy as landing approaches require one align with the runway properly at the correct altitude and descent rate. Dealing with crosswinds can also be a variable factor that one should get good at, and certain runways can offer somewhat different challenges as well.

Pinguinite  posted on  2023-06-22   20:46:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite (#8)

Thanks for the amplifications, Pin.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-22   20:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#7)

Is the engine in a small aircraft like that easy to re-start in flight? What turns the engine to re-start it? Air over the prop? An electric starter like a car?

StraitGate  posted on  2023-06-22   21:06:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: StraitGate (#10)

I think it's both, mostly electric starter motor in post 1940 designs, but I swear I've seen footage of an engine stalling out and the only recourse was to dive the plane hard enough to force the propeller to spin the crankshaft enough to restart the engine.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2023-06-22   21:18:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: StraitGate (#10)

Is the engine in a small aircraft like that easy to re-start in flight? What turns the engine to re-start it? Air over the prop? An electric starter like a car?

The vast majority of aircraft in the modern age can be re-started in- flight as they have battery power to do that. I can only think of the WW1 style radial engine types that relied on someone cranking the prop to start it. But of course you also need enough altitude to give you time to be able to react to an engine outage, determine the cause, remedy and restart it, and I think Denver was at too low an altitude to do all those things.

Pinguinite  posted on  2023-06-22   21:21:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite, StraitGate (#12) (Edited)

Are you familiar with the rotary-radial engines used mostly prior to 1920? The crankshaft was fixed to the airframe, while the entire engine block spun, with the propeller attached to the engine block. The main benefit of this design was that the engine air-cooled itself due to the cylinders spinning with the block, but there was no way to regulate throttle, the fuel supply was either on or off. That's why "blipping" was necessary, the pilot actually had to turn off fuel to regulate engine speed, so it sounds like engine is dying, then comes back.

A major disadvantage to this design was lack of an enclosed crankcase, lubrication was via oil mixed with fuel, the oil usually being castor oil. The pilots would ingest the fumes and suffer the usual side effects of ingesting castor oil.

Rotary Radial engines

Not to be confused with Rotary (Wankel) engine or Radial engine with fixed block and rotating crankshaft.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2023-06-22   21:47:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Dakmar, 4um (#11)

One of LT's Cessna 152s at 07C (Auburn) had a bad battery and the only way to start it for awhile was to hand-prop it. It takes two people to do it safely (switch off/on, brakes, etc).

Me and Skillethead used to do it to fly, but we were young and immortal back then. I'm the only immortal left now.

...the only recourse was to dive the plane hard enough to force the propeller to spin the crankshaft enough to restart the engine.

It was called windmilling. We didn't usually fly high enough to rely on that. Usually 500' AGL.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-22   21:56:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Dakmar (#13)

Are you familiar with the rotary-radial engines used mostly prior to 1920?

Yeah, heard about them.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-22   21:57:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Esso (#15)

I'm thinking the Rotary Radials had to have been two-stroke rather than Otto cycle.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2023-06-22   22:01:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Dakmar (#16)

Otto cycle.

Otto Pilot...

Airplane! (1980) - Otto Pilot gets a BJ

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-22   22:09:18 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pinguinite (#12)

Interesting. Thanks.

StraitGate  posted on  2023-06-22   22:09:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Dakmar (#13)

I've seen them only in old fraticide movies.

StraitGate  posted on  2023-06-22   22:10:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: StraitGate (#19)

...old fraticide movies.

Whites killing Whites?

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-22   22:15:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Esso (#20)

Yep. Sadly.

StraitGate  posted on  2023-06-22   22:21:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: StraitGate (#21)

Yep.

Holy crap. I can't believe I got that. I hope I don't lose my HoosierHick designation.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-22   22:25:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Dakmar (#13)

Can a Solid Wood Airplane Actually Fly???

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-22   22:42:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Esso (#22)

You already lost it when you used "insular" earlier today.

StraitGate  posted on  2023-06-22   22:48:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: StraitGate (#24) (Edited)

You already lost it when you used "insular" earlier today.

I hope my self-effacing Hick-Schtick isn't totally shattered.

At least I know how to spell 'numb.'

(Edit) My Merrican ire is rising... NEVER FORGET 9-11 OR J6. HOORAH!

(Edit2) look at the gal @~ 2:36 in the dark blue scrubs. She looks a lot like a gal I used to date, I used to call her Reebok, because she always wore Reeboks. She worked at Hospital City. She also helped my mother take care of my handicapped sister for a long time after we went our own ways. I don't think I've had much contact since my mother died about ten years ago.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-22   22:55:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Esso (#25)

Well, as several people here are already aware, I'm not really an engineer.

I'm the king of Spain.

StraitGate  posted on  2023-06-22   23:05:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: StraitGate (#26) (Edited)

I'm the king of Spain.

Maybe we should establish diplomatic relations then. I'm the dictator of Howland Island and the FBO of the Howland Island International Airport.

Amelia Earhart almost landed here a couple of years ago, but got diverted to Vanuatu Nikumaroro Island, Kiribati or something.

It's tourist season. Bring the family and come see our fabulous day beacon.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-22   23:23:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Esso, Dakmar (#27)

For some reason that magnificent structure reminds me of the old Kokomo Gas tower.

StraitGate  posted on  2023-06-22   23:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: StraitGate, Dakmar, 4um (#28) (Edited)

For some reason that magnificent structure reminds me of the old Kokomo Gas tower.

Keep your peckers in your pants fellas. I already claimed the joint (and the Palmyra Atoll which also has an international airport) under the Guano Islands Act.

IT'S ALL MINE!

(Edit) I let Jarvis and Baker Island go, they don't have airports, and I think Midway is contaminated with radiation or chemicals or something, but it does have a sweet airport. I don't want to be greedy.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-22   23:40:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Esso (#25)

That gal at 2:36 looks like the stray that my wife and I took in for while. Married last year, but still comes to visit us every few weeks. She works in health care now. Cute as a button in scrubs with stethoscope around her neck and exam gloves hanging out of her pockets.

StraitGate  posted on  2023-06-22   23:43:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Esso (#29)

You do realize that I command 80% of the Iberian Peninsula, right?

StraitGate  posted on  2023-06-22   23:46:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: StraitGate (#31) (Edited)

You do realize that I command 80% of the Iberian Peninsula, right?

You ever hear of Indonesia? Mine.

(Edit) Hey, I like small things, islands are ideal. I don't need Big things to prove my manhood. Little Jimmy speaks for himself. He's always dragging me around.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-22   23:49:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Dakmar (#13)

An aerodynamic issue with having the entire engine spin with the prop was that it created enormous gyroscopic forces, making it very difficult to turn in one direction but super easy to turn the other. It was something for pilots to adapt to for WW 1 fighter aircraft.

Pinguinite  posted on  2023-06-23   1:36:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Pinguinite (#33) (Edited)

I never thought about that much. My buddy Jess had a Cessna 310? twin, I suppose the props (rotating mass) counter rotated to mitigate that effect, but his prop weren't probably 500 lbs. each. Turn too sharp, and one wing separates to the left and the other one cuts through the cockpit.

Cessna made a pusher/puller twin-boom recon aircraft (don't remember the designation) during the Vietnam war. I wonder how those props spin?

I hate it when Ecuadorians make me think too much (says the guy who's living in what was supposed to be a storage unit) :P

You're OK, Pin.

Skymaster

That was a cool aircraft. (Next to the P-38 and P-51) The F-5 and T-38 trainer were the best lookin' jets, bar none.

(Edit) One of those vids makes it look like the props counter-rotate, but it could be a shutter speed effect.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-23   2:21:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Lod (#3) (Edited)

These are for my Pam...

Your mileage may vary.

I'm so lonely, Dad.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-23   4:01:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Lod (#3) (Edited)

Cari's (Ramette's) song...

"I'll never let go
Your hands and
Your heart
Are my home."

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-23   4:20:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Lod (#3) (Edited)

5'2" not 9 and blue eyes...

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-23   4:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Lod (#3) (Edited)

I should probably go to bed, but this is the first time I haven't been in searing pain for awhile...

It's unfortunate. The Covi freaks have killed three of my girlfriends with their clot-shots. I'm so lonely.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-23   6:10:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Christine (#38) (Edited)

I got a couple Two-Step lessons in before 'Texting Granny' dusted me off.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-23   6:20:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: All (#39) (Edited)

HEY EVERYBODY! THE SUN IS COMING UP ON THE SUMMIT CITY!

Strap it on, we're gonna have some fun!

Bananarama Bidet Republic! Fuck your guns, I've got F-16s! AND NUKES!

Fuck you Pacman. We can blow up your house up without even bothering the traffic at FWA - 122nd TFW

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-23   6:44:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Lod, Pams (#40)

No disrespect, Loddy. I've never met a Pam I didn't love...

My first GF was named Pam. She was A LOT OLDER than me. Hey, I had a driver's license. That makes it OK, right?

Our last assignment. I don't remember where the mission was, I just remember Geo's where we'd leave our cars. I miss you Punk.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-23   6:59:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Lod, noone2222, 4um (#1) (Edited)

My neighbor Rudy is kind of MIA

FWIW, Luke Combs was probably about 4 y/o during the VN war.

The song's OK.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-23   7:28:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: Esso (#6)

Texting Granny irrevocably changed my destiny on 26Nov2013.

Did Granny have her own cell phone in 2013?

Ten years ago I was driving trucks cross country. We didn't have much in the way of cell phones, but some drivers used them. ;)

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2023-06-23   7:30:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: BTP Holdings (#43) (Edited)

Did Granny have her own cell phone in 2013?

Yeah, she was texting some earth-shattering news to one of her squirts when she killed me.

My first (Half) day in the hospital exhausted the limits of her insurance.

The MDs told my wife I wasn't going to survive, and if I did, I'd be a braindead invalid.

She filed for divorce the next day. I got clipped for $2 million+.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-23   7:38:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: All (#44)

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-23   7:46:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: BTP Holdings, 4um (#43)

My shitbag lawyer wanted to go after granny's crap $10k house in the Meadow Ghetto in New Haven after five years.

It would've cost me more to tear it down than what it was worth. I never saw the gal, I told Blackburn, "End this now!" after five years or so.

I feel bad about what that gal went through. Fucking accidents happen.

Janice whatshername is probably dead by now, and it's my fucking shitbag lawyer's fault.

FWIW, I got $20,000 dollars. I give more away than that every year.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-23   8:02:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Esso (#44)

The MDs told my wife I wasn't going to survive, and if I did, I'd be a braindead invalid.

She filed for divorce the next day. I got clipped for $2 million+.

The MDs need to be sued for their incompetence.

Did your ex really clip you for $2 Million+? :-/

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one." Edmund Burke

BTP Holdings  posted on  2023-06-23   8:04:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: BTP Holdings (#47) (Edited)

Did your ex really clip you for $2 Million+?

Yeah, probably a bit more than that. It happens. It's part of the cost of doing business.

You remember the hassle I went through trying to send you money?

It just is what it is, Jim. I love ya man, you can't even get mail. Doubtful I'll ever be rolling through SW Missouri anytime soon.

Nothing against you, man, you need to lose that conservator, ASAFP.

“The most terrifying force of death comes from the hands of Men who wanted to be left Alone.
TRUE TERROR will arrive at these people’s door, and they will cry, scream, and beg for mercy…
but it will fall upon the deaf ears of the Men who just wanted to be left alone.”

Esso  posted on  2023-06-23   8:22:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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