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Title: This is Ukraine's last gasp and Putin has a BIG decision to make | Redacted with Clayton Morris [LIVESTREAM IN PROGRESS]
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Published: Jun 26, 2023
Author: Natali and Clayton Morris
Post Date: 2023-06-26 16:31:43 by Esso
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#1. To: Esso (#0)

I would expect this spat that occurred will impact Putin to some extent. In spite of the amicable outcome, he'll need to reaffirm to the Russian population that he is still in charge. That might translate to, ironically, doing what this commander was complaining wasn't being done. Increasing the odds of more offensive activity by Russian forces against Ukraine.

Pinguinite  posted on  2023-06-26   18:25:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I was expecting Putin to force a decisive victory within a year of hostilities, and wither the inevitable ostracism from the west. Instead he did a replay of Soviets vs Afghanistan.

It wouldn't surprise me if US/multinational (western) defense contractors have never ceased slithering through the basement of the Kremlin, making mischief, looking for an buyer.

Armchair quarterbacking aside (I mailed an application to Putin to be his Rabbi, but never received a reply), Putin was stupid for letting the situation drag on long enough for the NWO to mobilize against him.

Had I my way, Russia would be selling natgas to Europe and a loaf of bread would cost about a dollar.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2023-06-26   18:45:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Russia's Putin says he let mutiny continue to avoid bloodshed - Jun 26 2023 Reuters via Yahoo. Reporting by Reuters Writing by Andrew Osborn. Editing by Kevin Liffey and Grant McCool

(Reuters) -Russian President Vladimir Putin made a defiant televised address on Monday evening, saying he had deliberately let Saturday's 24-hour mutiny by the Wagner militia go on as long as it did to avoid bloodshed, and that it had reinforced national unity.

The statement, his first on the issue since he spoke on Saturday promising to crush the mutiny, appeared intended to draw a line under an event that numerous Western leaders saw as exposing Putin's vulnerability since invading Ukraine 16 months ago.

Wagner's fighters, led by Yevgeny Prigozhin, succeeded in taking control of the city of Rostov-on-Don with its military command centre steering the Ukraine campaign, and driving an armed convoy across Russia to within 200 km (125 miles) of Moscow.

"From the very beginning of the events, steps were taken on my direct instruction to avoid serious bloodshed," Putin said.

"Time was needed, among other things, to give those who had made a mistake a chance to come to their senses, to realise that their actions were firmly rejected by society, and that the adventure in which they had been involved had tragic and destructive consequences for Russia and for our state."

Putin made no mention of Prigozhin, who had demanded that Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov, come to Rostov to speak to him. Prigozhin called for both of them to be dismissed.

Nor did Putin mention any planned personnel changes at the Defence Ministry, although at around 11 p.m. Moscow time he was shown on television addressing a meeting of heads of his security departments, including Shoigu.

Prigozhin had said his men had been forced to shoot down helicopters that attacked them as they drove towards Moscow; Putin did allude to some bloodshed, but blamed it on Wagner:

"The organisers of the mutiny, having betrayed their country, their people, also betrayed those whom they dragged into the crime. They lied to them, they pushed them to death: under fire, to shoot their own."

Putin thanked Wagner fighters and commanders who had stood down from the mutiny to avoid what he called "fratricidal bloodshed", and said the vast majority of Wagner's members were patriots.

He said those who decided not to sign contracts with the army under a Defence Ministry order could either relocate to Belarus or simply return to their families.

Putin said all levels of society had taken "a firm, unambiguous position in support of the constitutional order".

"Everyone was united and rallied by the main thing," he said, "responsibility for the fate of the Fatherland."

Russia says it is carrying out a "special military operation" in Ukraine to remove what it calls a potential threat against its own security from the Western-leaning government in Kyiv. Ukraine and the West described the February 2022 invasion as an unprovoked land grab.

I thought Putin handled the fauxcoup well, it was over before NATO even had a chance to overthrow some completely unlrelated regime.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2023-06-26   19:58:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

A couple things on that.

1) There is the mud situation that Ukraine is notorious for, and according to Col MacGregor, this past winter did not get cold enough to solidify the ground for an adequate offensive. Perhaps the summer season will see it dry adequately.

2) Looking beyond the localized Ukraine war to the full blown economic war, Putin could arguably be working to destroy the dollar, and all the money printing we are doing to fund Ukraine is potentially part of Putin's game plan. The dollar is in the process now of losing global standing as the world reserve currency. If that continues, then Putin wins even if he never gains another square foot of Ukrainian ground. But of course if the dollar does fall on the world stage, then he'll also easily win in Ukraine as it will lose western financial support.

So there is more going on than just the hot war in Ukraine.

Pinguinite  posted on  2023-06-26   20:42:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Wagner's fighters, led by Yevgeny Prigozhin, succeeded in taking control of the city of Rostov-on-Don with its military command centre

Yes, I think I saw pictures of them "taking control" of that city. It consisted of some soldiers in cammo fatigues at an intersection looking around while civilians strolled up and down the sidewalks.

I think the definition of "taking control" in this context means they drove through the city and stopped for lunch.

Pinguinite  posted on  2023-06-26   20:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I was never in any doubt that a line would be drawn around Moscow, or several thousand miles thereof.

The MSM made it sound like the Putin government was doomed by a brilliant caterer.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2023-06-26   20:57:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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