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Title: Chayav Mita - Rabbinical death penalty for gentiles
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Published: May 30, 2006
Author: Rabbi Israel Pesach Feinhandler
Post Date: 2006-05-30 13:43:53 by bluegrass
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Note: "Chayav Mita" - deserving of the death penalty. Quote:
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Bournemouth, Dorset, England
Q: I have heard the Halacha that a non-Jew who keeps Shabbat is Chayav Mita. Can you please tell me the source of this Halacha and also its reason?
A: The reason why a gentile that keeps Shabbos is chayav mita, is that G-d created the world with the purpose of keeping it going and functioning. Everyone must participate in the continuation of the world by working and building. The Jews who accepted the Shabbos, were free of that obligation, since they had accepted the testimony that G-d is the Creator, and that all of our creating stems from Him. Hence we do not work on the Sabbath in order to show that He is the source of all the creation. But the gentile who does not have that commandment to rest and testify about the creation, he is not fulfilling his purpose in the world, which is to create and continue the world. Hence his punishment is death, since he is not fullfilling his function.
Best wishes from,
Rabbi Israel Pesach Feinhandler
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Cecelia Plechinger
Pittsburgh PA USA
Q: Somebody from Dorset, England asked you if Goyim observing Shabbos is "Chayav Mita" and why. I was confused by the reply. What does "Chayav Mita" mean and why is a Goy not to also rest in thanks for Creation. Creation was already done and the world is continued today by the goodness of haShem and by the labors of all the people in the world except that the Jews must not labor on Shabbos. The Goyim are not required to rest on Shabbos, but if they wish to, why is the "not fulfilling their puropose?"
Dear Cecelia,
A: It is really hard to understand why our Sages say that such a harsh punishment as death is deserved for a gentile that keeps Shabbos. We cannot fully understand but we can give some understanding. The purpose of the goy is to make a world that is liveable so that the Jews who are the real purpose of the world will have somewhere to live and be able to serve G-d which is the purpose of the whole creation. When the goy is keeping Shabbos, he is saying that he is not willing to be the one who will make the world liveable, but rather he wishes to be the one who is testifying about the creation. That he is not allowed to do since it is not his task in life, and he is not fullfilling his purpose.
Q: What about somebody planning to convert and is observing Shabbos in order to make sure that he or she can do it before actually converting. This person is certainly a Goy observing Shabbos. What is the differnce, if any, in this case and the case of a Goy who does not want to convert, but observes Shabbos for some other reason?
A: Even when a person wishes to convert, he must desecrate the shabbos at least once during every shabbos so that he shall not be over this prohibition. So you see that he has the same din as any other goy.
Best wishes from,
Rabbi Israel Pesach Feinhandler
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#1. To: bluegrass (#0)
Part of the "vicious ethics of the deism of the Jews", as Thomas Jefferson described it.
That's just for a little offense. Imagine what some Orthodox rabbis would think if you studied up on what Orthodox rabbis thought about the death penalty for goyim.
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in." Jefferson was no friend to the Tribe. It might be one of the reasons that we don't hear much about him in the mainstream media. They love Hamilton.
"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in." News alert to the evangelical ZioNuts, if you observe the Sabbath as commanded, you are liable to be put to death by a crazed rabbi, after you've worked for him of course. This does shed new light on why AIPAC just assumes the U.S. is responsible for Israel's security and why ADL just assumes any insult to Jews counts and insults to any other group does not. Slave you inferior goy serf, slave for the Jews, it is mandated by God. That is basically what this rabbi is saying.
No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison
17. And the children of Israel journeyed, and came unto their cities on the third day. Now their cities were Gibeon, and Chephirah, and Beeroth, and Kiriath-jearim. 18. And the children of Israel smote them not, because the princes of the congregation had sworn unto them by the LORD, the God of Israel. And all the congregation murmured against the princes. 19. But all the princes said unto all the congregation: 'We have sworn unto them by the LORD, the God of Israel; now therefore we may not touch them. 20. This we will do to them, and let them live; lest wrath be upon us, because of the oath which we swore unto them.' 21. And the princes said concerning them: 'Let them live'; so they became hewers of wood and drawers of water [chotvei etzim v'sho'avei mayim] unto all the congregation, as the princes had spoken concerning them. 22. And Joshua called for them, and he spoke unto them, saying: 'Wherefore have ye beguiled us, saying: We are very far from you, when ye dwell among us? 23. Now therefore ye are cursed, and there shall never fail to be of you bondmen, both hewers of wood and drawers of water for the house of my God.' ---Joshua 9:17-23
The Moving Finger writes; and having writ, "Death by ugga-bugga!!!" :P
The Moving Finger writes; and having writ, That's like saying the whole purpose of your gut is to give the tapeworm a place to live. But lest I forget and incur a charge of "anti-Semitism" or have the ADL issue a cherem against me: don't you DARE call them "parasites"....
The Moving Finger writes; and having writ, No wonder they use the rest of us as interest bearing instruments and audiences for their hollywood filth.
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people in -- and the West in general -- into an unbearable hell and a choking life." Let's see - God wrote the ten commandments in Hebrew & had FedEx drop them off with Moses; so why would they apply to Gentiles? Know what I mean, Vern? Or; Since Christians accept the Commandments along with the "Old Testament" (Torah & Talmud), Christians are evolved Jews, exempt from being called "Anti- Semites," by definition - right?
There're some problems with interpretation of the Hebrew compound re'akha---usually translated "thy neighbor"---as in "thou shalt love thy neighbor (re'akha) as thyself," "thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neigbor," etc. The usual meaning of re'ah is "friend, companion" and that usually excluded Gentiles.
The Moving Finger writes; and having writ,
Miles Davis? Pshaw. Give me Basil Poledouros!!!
#2. To: Yertle Turtle, christine, Zipporah, robin, Zoroaster, BTP Holdings, Arator, Mind_Virus, Brian S, A K A Stone, Tauzero, Bub, mugwort, Peetie Wheatstraw, HOUNDDAWG, Uncle Bill, Dakmar, Flintlock, Neil McIver, tom007, aristeides, Eoghan, Diana, SKYDRIFTER (#0)
It is really hard to understand why our Sages say that such a harsh punishment as death is deserved for a gentile that keeps Shabbos.
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#3. To: Tauzero (#1)
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club
#4. To: bluegrass, *US is Proxy State For Israel* (#2)
A: It is really hard to understand why our Sages say that such a harsh punishment as death is deserved for a gentile that keeps Shabbos. We cannot fully understand but we can give some understanding. The purpose of the goy is to make a world that is liveable so that the Jews who are the real purpose of the world will have somewhere to live and be able to serve G-d which is the purpose of the whole creation. When the goy is keeping Shabbos, he is saying that he is not willing to be the one who will make the world liveable, but rather he wishes to be the one who is testifying about the creation. That he is not allowed to do since it is not his task in life, and he is not fullfilling his purpose.
#5. To: bluegrass (#2)
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it. ---Ruba'iyat, LXXI
#6. To: bluegrass, robin (#2)
That's just for a little offense. Imagine what some Orthodox rabbis would think if you studied up on what Orthodox rabbis thought about the death penalty for goyim.
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it. ---Ruba'iyat, LXXI
#7. To: bluegrass (#0)
The purpose of the goy is to make a world that is liveable so that the Jews who are the real purpose of the world will have somewhere to live and be able to serve G-d which is the purpose of the whole creation. When the goy is keeping Shabbos, he is saying that he is not willing to be the one who will make the world liveable, but rather he wishes to be the one who is testifying about the creation. That he is not allowed to do since it is not his task in life, and he is not fullfilling his purpose.
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it. ---Ruba'iyat, LXXI
#8. To: Peetie Wheatstraw (#7)
he Jews who are the real purpose of the world
--Osama bin Laden
#9. To: bluegrass, All (#0)
#10. To: SKYDRIFTER (#9)
Let's see - God wrote the ten commandments in Hebrew & had FedEx drop them off with Moses; so why would they apply to Gentiles?
Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all your Tears wash out a Word of it. ---Ruba'iyat, LXXI
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