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Title: 3 Movies to discuss, all due soon
Source: sony classics
URL Source: http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/
Published: May 31, 2006
Author: n/a
Post Date: 2006-05-31 22:12:20 by Mekons4
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Views: 149
Comments: 12

I just saw the premiere here of the 1969 French movie, Army of Shadows. It's about the French resistance during WWII, and it is one of the greatest, but most depressing, movies of all time. Not to spoil it, if you can see it, but they end up killing their own more than the Nazis, because the Nazis have a very effective strategy to find them out: National ID papers. In a normal society, you can get by with a forged one, but their strategy was to bring in anyone even slightly suspicious and turn them into informers. In one scene, they brought in an entire restaurant, including our hero, because they had meat on their plates. That proved they were breaking some law, so they demanded papers then rounded them all up. This is a must-see if you can get a chance.

Two other movies coming up of interest. Al Gore's film, An Inconvenient Truth, opens Friday in most cities, and I hear it is a knockout. The anti-science gang is going to hate this one.

And "Who Killed the Electric Car" opens at the end of the month. As you might know, GM had LA's trolley system torn up so they could sell them buses. They made it impossible for the average person to get around LA without a car, which was their plan.

The murder of the electric car was worse. By now, we would have one that would go hundreds of miles on a simple recharge. GM killed that too. I saw the previews and can't wait for the movie.

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#1. To: Mekons4 (#0)

All 3 sound interesting, especially the 1st and 3rd.

My mom used to ride that electric streetcar, for 5 cents.

No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison

robin  posted on  2006-05-31   22:18:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Mekons4 (#0)

I just saw the premiere here of the 1969 French movie, Army of Shadows.

Where did you see this movie? You mean an American premier, right?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-05-31   22:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: robin (#1)

Army of Shadows is profoundly depressing. It shows just what the Bushies are up to, making everyone rat on everyone else. The heros are very brave. They end up spending all their time killing informers, even their best friends, which is what the Nazis want them to do. It's a deceptively profound movie.

And it explains why a bunch of powerful people can bring any populace, no matter how well armed, to their knees. The thing that really got me was an early scene where a guy is bringing a radio to a contact. As he gets off the train, they announce that all bags will be checked as they exit. He pulls a fast one, but he could be hung for having a radio, and there is no way to get through them without his trick. Which could have failed badly.

If you think you are paranoid now, see this movie.

Mekons4  posted on  2006-05-31   22:24:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Mekons4 (#3)

The use of infiltrators and informers is already taking place.

No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison

robin  posted on  2006-05-31   22:25:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

Yes, it never played here, ever. I saw it at the Music Box in Chicago. It will be playing art houses around the country this summer. It's very instructive. My takeaway was...well, the gummint is probably listening. See my comment above.

Mekons4  posted on  2006-05-31   22:26:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#4)

The use of infiltrators and informers is already taking place.

We sometimes call them trolls. But believe me, we are being watched here. Other sites I belong to have routine hits from the CIA and FBI and other DC addresses. I doubt it's a bored security guard...

Mekons4  posted on  2006-05-31   22:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Mekons4 (#5)

OK, I'm interested. The French resistance is wonderfully instructive for what we're about to face. I believe their motto was "Two Germans for every Frenchman."

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-05-31   22:28:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Mekons4 (#6)

New CIA director Hayden plans massive expansion of spying on Americans

Neil recently added a Views "Views: 32" at the top of every thread. It's already proving interesting.

No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison

robin  posted on  2006-05-31   22:30:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#7)

"Two Germans for every Frenchman."

It was more than the opposite. The futility of resistance is amazing. I don't want to blow the movie for you, but even when they do great things, the paperwork gets them. This is a micro-movie, no sweeping battles or anything. Just the everyday horror of having to resist a nazi beast, against overwhelming odds. Unlike the propaganda we always heard, most of them were executed. Or killed by their own people for suspicion of collaboration.

For people with highly tuned political senses, this movie is devastating. My daughter couldn't figure it out, even after I explained it to her. But she said today it gave her nightmares, so on some level, she understood it.

Mekons4  posted on  2006-05-31   22:36:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Mekons4 (#9)

Well that take does go against conventional thinking. I only know the romantic image of the event....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2006-05-31   22:40:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

Yeah, I was not that big on the romantic version, but that was my general idea. I immediately went on the net to look up some facts. The director, Melville, was involved in the resistance somewhat, and most of his friends disappeared.

This is an amazing movie. But profoundly depressing.

We sort of think that if we were invaded, we would kick ass. This movie shows how you will be betrayed for butter. People are tortured to death and bravely refuse to talk. Then they find a picture of your daughter, and drag her in and torture her, and you talk. It's matter of fact; it takes a few days to sink in.

Mekons4  posted on  2006-05-31   22:46:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Mekons4, Jethro Tull, Diana, Dakmar (#9)

Assault
The Assault (De Aanslag) from Dutch director Fons Rademakers won the Academy Award for Best Foreign Film in 1986. It opens in Holland near the end of World War II when the Nazi defeat was inevitable, but while the full force of Nazi brutality remained a potent threat. Holland was beset with collaborators, resistance fighters, and folks just trying to stay alive by staying as clear of all sides as possible. A single ghastly episode and its aftermath form the entire basis for the film.

Don't read more or it will spoil the movie for you.

Really good antiwar movie.

No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison

robin  posted on  2006-05-31   22:55:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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