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Title: First Black Jesus Movie Aims To Unite Blacks And Jews
Source: WDC MEDIA NEWS
URL Source: http://www.wdcmedia.com/newsArticle.php?ID=1251
Published: May 31, 2006
Author: WDC MEDIA
Post Date: 2006-06-01 08:01:27 by Mind_Virus
Keywords: None
Views: 1843
Comments: 109

First Black Jesus Movie Aims To Unite Blacks And Jews

2006-05-31 -- WDC MEDIA NEWS

(LOS ANGELES) -- "Color of the Cross," a Nu-Lite Entertainment production, is an independent, biblically charged religious biopic based on the last 48 hours of Christ’s life and stands to be the most controversial depiction of Jesus to date. In this gripping, two-hour epic, Jesus is portrayed as a black Jew. This retelling of the biblical story from a black perspective seeks to repair the anti-Semitism that has been associated with the story of Christ.

The inclusion of Black Jews during Passover in the film makes a clear statement toward the shared history of African and the Middle Eastern cultures without being offensive. Unlike "Passion of the Christ," "Color of the Cross" chose not to focus on the bloody torture of Christ’s crucifixion. Instead the film focuses on the human pain and suffering that Christ, the Disciples, and Christ’s family endured. "Color of the Cross" reaches across a cultural divide to inspire and challenge its viewers intellectually.

According to the film’s director, Jean Claude LaMarre, "To watch a black man on screen, being referred to as rabbi, or to see him partaking in a Seder meal and observing Passover really blurs the lines that divide blacks and Jews in this country. We are part of the same history." "Color of the Cross" seeks to stimulate and awaken peace and unity between all races of people.

Recent programs such as the History Channel’s "Warriors of the Bible" clearly shows the diversity of cultures as they existed in the geographical region where the Bible stories occurred. And like many of the recent programs flooding the media such as the Book of Judas, Ron Howard’s "The Da Vinci Code," etc, "Color of the Cross" also bases its story not just on scriptural interpretation but other historical data with many interpretations pointing to the fact that Christ very well may have been dark skinned.

The film will have a theatrical release in October 2006. Revealing clips and exclusive information can be found at: http://www.colorofthecross.com/

Note to the Editors -- The film is a Nu-Lite Entertainment production, and producers are Rev. Cecil "Chip" Murray, Jessie Levostre, Kenneth Halsband, Executive Producers Lila Aviv, Paul Noe, Edy Lahens, Marc Porterfield, Michele Gonda and Co-producer Marcello Thedford. (1 image)

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#1. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

Huh. Maybe He was some kinda 'groidal genetic sport?


Mr. McGuire: "I just want to say one word to you -- just one word."
Ben: "Yes sir."
Mr. McGuire: "Are you listening?"
Ben: "Yes I am."
Mr. McGuire: "Makeovers"
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Tauzero  posted on  2006-06-01   9:03:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

Jesus is portrayed as a black Jew. This retelling of the biblical story from a black perspective seeks to repair the anti-Semitism that has been associated with the story of Christ. [Is it NEVER "all about them"?]

The inclusion of Black Jews during Passover in the film makes a clear statement toward the shared history of African and the Middle Eastern cultures without being offensive. Unlike "Passion of the Christ," "Color of the Cross" chose not to focus on the bloody torture of Christ’s crucifixion. ...........

According to the film’s director, Jean Claude LaMarre, "To watch a black man on screen, being referred to as rabbi, or to see him partaking in a Seder meal and observing Passover really blurs the lines that divide blacks and Jews in this country. We are part of the same history."

What are they up to now? They don't miss a trick, and don't leave a stone unturned to insert themselves and their self-directed "anti-Semitism" schtick into the equation. Maybe now they are going to reveal their "identity with the races of Asia and Africa", after they have caused untold suffering to the blacks, even making them the pretext for the Civil War, which in turn enslaved all of us. Apparently, they are not through using them yet. Any bets on Kofi Annan as their next designated "Messiah"?

I hope the blacks dont't fall for it. The Jewish leaders made their bed, let them sleep in it:

Jews and The Black Holocaust [The "persecuted" self-chosen as slave traders]

http://www.b lacksandjews.com/Jews.of.Black.Holocaust.ag.html

Full Speech Of Rabbi Rabbinovitch Found

By Rose Rabbinovich

"...(Note: -- Protocol of Zion No. 9, para. 2, states that anti-Semitism is controlled by them. At the time of this speech they had already commenced their campaign of anti-Semitism in Czechoslovakia). Within five years, this program will achieve its objective, the Third World War, which will surpass in destruction all previous contests. Israeli, of course, will remain neutral, and when both sides are devastated and exhausted, we will arbitrate, sending our Control Commissions into all wrecked countries. This war will end for all time our struggle against the Gentiles.

We will openly reveal our identity with the races of Asia and Africa. I can state with assurance that the last generation of white children is now being born. Our Control Commissions will, in the interests of peace and wiping out inter- racial tensions.

Forbid the Whites to mate with Whites. The White Women must cohabit with members of the dark races, the White Men with black women. Thus the White Race will disappear, for the mixing of the dark with the White means the end of the White Man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory. We shall embark upon an era of ten thousand years of peace and plenty, the Pax Judaica, and our race will rule undisputed over the world. Our superior intelligence will easily enable us to retain mastery over a world of dark peoples.

Question from the gathering: Rabbi Rabinovich, what about the various religions after the Third World War?

Rabinovich: There will be no more religions. Not only would the existence of a priest class remain a constant danger to our rule, but belief in an after-life would give spiritual strength to irreconcilable elements in many countries, and enable them to resist us. We will, however, retain the rituals and customs of Judaism as the mark of our hereditary ruling caste, strengthening our racial laws so that no Jew will be allowed to marry outside our race, nor will any stranger be accepted by us. (Note: Protocol of Zion No. 17 para. 2, states: 'Now that freedom of conscience has been declared everywhere (as a result of their efforts they have previously stated) only years divide us from the moment of the complete wrecking of that [Hated] Christian Religion. As to other religions, we shall have still less difficulty with them.')

We may have to repeat the grim days of World War II, when we were forced to let the Hitlerite bandits sacrifice some of our people, in order that we may have adequate documentation and witnesses to legally justify our trial and execution of the leaders of America and Russia as war criminals, after we have dictated the peace. I am sure you will need little preparation for such a duty, for sacrifice has always been the watchword of our people, and the death of a few thousand lesser Jews in exchange for world leadership is indeed a small price to pay. To convince you of the certainty of that leadership, let me point out to you how we have turned all of the inventions of the White Man into weapons against him. His printing presses and Radios are the mouthpieces of our desires, and his heavy industry manufactures the instruments which he sends out to arm Asia and Africa against him.

Our interests in Washington are greatly extending the Point Four Program (viz. Colombo Plan) for developing industry in backward areas of the world, so that after the industrial plants and cities of Europe and America are destroyed by atomic warfare, the Whites can offer no resistance against the large masses of the dark races, who will maintain an unchallenged technological superiority. And so, with the vision of world victory before you, go back to your countries and intensify your good work, until that approaching day when Israeli will reveal herself in all her glorious destiny as the Light of the World." (Note: Every statement made by Rabinovich is based on agenda contained in the "Protocols of Zion.")..."

http://christianparty.net/rabb inovitch.htm

Shocked Jews respond:

http://rense.com/general45/race.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-01   20:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: All (#2)

More fuel:

What are the Issues?

Blacks and Jews have been involved in a re-evaluation of their current and historical relationship. Events of the past several months have raised both tensions and the level of rhetoric coming from all sides. The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews is a historical accounting of the part of the relationship that has been ignored by both Blacks and Jews. Most people are not even aware of the extensive record of encounters between the two groups prior to the 20th century. The Honorable Louis Farrakhan referred to this well- documented history in 1984 and was immediately labeled an "anti-Semite." Merely questioning the belief that Jews were co-sufferers in the Black slave experience draws angry rebukes from Jews of all stripes. The book in question presents indisputable historical data from census records, wills, Jewish historians and scholars, rabbinical sermons, port records, court records, runaway slave notices, slave sale advertisements, etc., which forces all sides to grapple with the long-held mythology that Black people always found a friend in the Jews.

Some Jews and their dutiful negros have hired the services of Dr. Harold Brackman of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in an effort to preserve the comfortable mythology which has obscured the actual historical record. But unbeknownst to them, Dr. Brackman's 1977 unpublished Ph.D. dissertation, entitled The Ebb and Flow of Conflict, goes far beyond The Secret Relationship in its claims of Jewish conspiracy in the Biblical origin of White supremacy. He clearly states that Jewish Talmudic scholars invented the Hamitic Myth which, through the story of Noah, everlastingly assigned to the African the role of slave and divinely cursed servant of White people. According to Dr. Tony Martin's book, The Jewish Onslaught, the Jewish invention of the Hamitic Myth "provided the moral pretext upon which the entire trade grew and flourished."

"There is no denying," said Brackman of the story of Noah, "that the Babylonian Talmud was the first source to read a Negrophobic content into the episode..." Brackman pointed out further that two third century Jewish "Sages" provided homosexual embellishments for the Biblical story as well.

This "curse" was the absolute basis for the Europeans' choice of dark- skinned Africans for chattel slavery. Many denominations of Christianity, Islam and Judaism believe it and teach it to this very moment! Southern plantation owners attacked the Abolitionists with it; its teaching was the foundation of the slaves' permitted religion; Black inferiority is based on it; the Ku Klux Klan relies on it; even the Mormons officially taught it until 1978. When the Jews invented it and promoted it to the world they sentenced the Black Race to a holocaust the likes of which no people have ever suffered. "Hate teaching" will forever be defined by this wicked belief system brought to us in the Jewish Holy Talmud via Harold Brackman....

http://www.blacksandje ws.com/Jews_and_Slavery.html

No wonder they are worried about repairing "anti-Semitism", and will use Christ's suffering as just another tool. It's not about Christ, it's about THEM.

"Color of the Cross" seeks to stimulate and awaken peace and unity between all races of people.

good grief. Jesus; been there, done that: John 3:16.

When will they give it up? How many more will have to die?

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-01   20:43:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

Po' dumb darkies. The mean average IQ of Africans is 70; for American blacks, 85. Tell them that Jesus was black and they'll believe it. It just makes it easier to others to lead them around by their noses.

Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-06-01   21:04:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

Some interesting reading here:

The Cult of the Black Virgin

http://watch.pair.com/merovingian. html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-04   14:29:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: YertleTurtle (#4)

"Po' dumb darkies. The mean average IQ of Africans is 70; for American blacks, 85. Tell them that Jesus was black and they'll believe it. It just makes it easier to others to lead them around by their noses."

This rediculous crap is Storm Front BS, Negroes are just as good as any other part of the human race. Where did you hear this nonsense, Storm Front?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-04   14:33:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Ferret Mike (#6)

Storm Front

A "nazi" site based out of West Palm Beach has the stink of gefilte fish all over it.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-04   14:44:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Ferret Mike (#6)

Where did you hear this nonsense, Storm Front?

I don't read Stormfront.

It has been well-known for a hundred years or so, that the mean average black IQ in the US is 85; in Africa it's more like 70. That's why Africa is in the shape it is in.

They were better off under dat ol'd debbil white colonialism.

Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-06-04   15:10:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: YertleTurtle (#8)

You are talking nonsense. I suppose you have a credible citation that shares your opinion after preforming exhaustive impartial research into this sort of buffoonery too. Please post it, I am always amused when people try to find the unfindable.

I was married to a woman who is working as a school administrator and I know many of her family and friends from those years well. All of these Negroes are very sharp, very intelligent.

Your fiction has no legs to stand on and only demonstrates your racial bigotry in all it's ugliness.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-04   15:58:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: bluegrass (#7)

"A "nazi" site based out of West Palm Beach has the stink of gefilte fish all over it."

It is one of Don Black's sites, and he is anything but Jewish. Sorry Charlie, but your big lie attempt has all the stink of rotting tuna.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-04   16:00:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Ferret Mike (#10)

It is one of Don Black's sites

I know. I've never been a fan of Don Black and became even more suspicious of him when I found out this "Nazi" lives in and works in one of the most Jewish sections of America.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-04   16:05:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: bluegrass (#11)

Where he lives means almost zero compared to the volumes of hateful crap he is responsible for putting on the Internet and for all the networking of Jew hating and racist creeps he has done.

You are going to have to come up with more then a tidbit of questionable circumstantial evidence before I would believe anything as dumb as the notion that Don Black is Jewish or works for anything but and for haters and baiters.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-04   16:14:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Ferret Mike, christine (#12)

Black isn't Jewish. He works for the ADL, et. al. as a Judas goat.

An old friend of mine, Eustace Mullins, told me that in the mid-1950's the ADL approached him and offered him a good chunk of change in exchange for advanced copies of his work and for information on who he was working with. The alternative , they told him, was that he would never be published in mainstream outlets. He turned them down flat.

Willis Carto is another Judas goat according to Mullin. Carto was living pretty high on the hog.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-04   16:21:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: bluegrass (#13)

Nonsense. Looking at the networking, information accumulation and accelerating growth of Storm Front, your portraying a deadly disease as an ADL inoculation against such political efficacy and the organizing of it is disingenuous at best.

Storm Front is a serious and malignant problem on the Internet as it organizes and spreads hatred and fascism anywhere it can do so. You have no convincing evidence to counter the overwhelming evidence you are wrong.

Yours sounds more like the sort of conflicting clap trap that that site's E activism section advises be posted to defuse and neutralize criticism of that site to allow it's cancer cover and breathing room to get allot worse as a presence on the net then it already is.

Black is a Nazi, a racist and a Jew baiter. If you have incontrovertible evidence that can counter the overwhelming evidence sowing this is so, let's see it. Hearsay circumstantial evidence is meaningless, and not convincing.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-04   16:35:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

Looking at the networking, information accumulation and accelerating growth of Storm Front

It's merely controlled opposition and intel gathering. It's an old Zionazi trick, but by no means exclusive to them.

Stormfront gets exposure. Meanwhile, actual opposition is marginalized.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-04   16:45:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Ferret Mike (#14)

Black is a Nazi, a racist and a Jew baiter.

It just so happens I have met the man. He is nothing of the sort. He has strong convictions and principles.

Got to get off here for now. Chat later.

"To be nobody-but-yourself - in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else - means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can ever fight; and never stop fighting." E.E. Cummings

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-06-04   16:51:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: bluegrass (#13)

You're probably right about Black. He's been around for years. Geniune white supremacists don't last very long in the public eye.

Blacks are wise to the Jews. The film may rub some salt on the festering black/white issue, but I doubt much will come of it.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2006-06-04   16:55:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Ferret Mike (#6)

This rediculous crap is Storm Front BS, Negroes are just as good as any other part of the human race.

If IQ is part of your definition of good (and there's no reason it has to be), then you are flat wrong.


Mr. McGuire: "I just want to say one word to you -- just one word."
Ben: "Yes sir."
Mr. McGuire: "Are you listening?"
Ben: "Yes I am."
Mr. McGuire: "Makeovers"
Ben: "Exactly how do you mean?"
Mr. McGuire: "There's a great future in makeovers. Think about it. Will you think about it?"

Tauzero  posted on  2006-06-04   17:02:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Ferret Mike (#9)

Your fiction has no legs to stand on and only demonstrates your racial bigotry in all it's ugliness.

It's "its," not "it's."

If you are so out of it, that you truly do not understand the American blacks have a mean average genetic IQ of 85, and Africans, 70, then you are living in a deluded fantasy world that I do not believe anything can dislodge you from.

Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-06-04   17:41:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Zoroaster (#17)

Don Black gets promotional aid from the Village Voice and HBO. Only a fool would believe him to be anything but a Judas goat.

---

Black has been using his site to promote the event to the world from his home in downtown West Palm Beach, two miles from the voting action this week at the Emergency Operations Center. Black, a former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, will be there with his 11-year-old son, Derek (the webmaster of Stormfront for Kids.) Both father and son are featured in the HBO documentary http://Hate.com, airing this week.

November 15 - 21, 2000

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0046,ladd2,19934,6.html

---

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-04   18:39:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: YertleTurtle (#19)

You are a racist and a bigot. That is all I need to understand about you.

Thanks for sharing that you have no proof of the veracity of your hateful statements. If you did, you would have posted it is response to my posts to you.

You are a Storm Front mole, because whether you are actually proselytizing from that site's articulated mission to spread the hatred you live by or not, you are here doing their work for them.

Negroes and Caucasians are exactly alike in more ways then they are not. And if you don't acknowledge that, you are a kook, a racist, and a fascist.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   9:04:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: bluegrass (#20)

"Since its creation, Stormfront has served as a veritable supermarket of online hate, stocking its shelves with many forms of anti- Semitism and racism. In its first two years, Stormfront featured the writings of William Pierce of the neo-Nazi National Alliance; David Duke; representatives of the Holocaust-denying Institute for Historical Review and other assorted extremists. Conspiracy-laden discussions of the destruction of the Branch Davidian complex in Waco, Texas; the shootout at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, between the FBI and white-separatist Randy Weaver; and the bombing of the Murrah Federal Office Building in Oklahoma City appeared on the site's Home Page. In one article, Kirk Lyons, defender and self-proclaimed sympathizer of right-wing extremists, likened the events at the Branch Davidian compound to the Nazi destruction of the town of Lidice in Czechoslovakia.8 In another piece, Eustace Mullins, an aged anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist who has spread hate for more than 40 years, suggested that the likely party responsible for the bombing in Oklahoma City is the Anti-Defamation League.9 In addition to text articles, early versions of Stormfront housed a library of neo-Nazi graphics available for downloading, a list of phone numbers for racist computer bulletin boards that were not on the Internet, and a short page of links to other hateful Web sites.

By 1997, Black's site became home to the Web pages of other extremists, such as Aryan Nations and Ed Fields, racist publisher of The Truth At Last, a hate- filled newspaper. He also posted new reprints of white supremacist articles and essays, such as The Talmud: Judaism's holiest book documented and exposed. Meant to inflame Christians by characterizing the Talmud as primarily anti- Christian and filled with "malice," "hate-mongering" and "barbarities," this particularly scurrilous tract willfully distorts and misrepresents an important religious document while demonstrating a complete lack of understanding of its history, complexity, and role in Jewish religious practice."

http://www.adl.org/poisoning_w eb/black.asp

Yours' is an example of the big lie technique where one tells such an astoundingly incredulous lie nobody "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".

Don Black uses non-whites and Jews to spread fear and hatred to create the sort of fear and panic that suspends reason and the process of critical thinking necessary to know that his is a bill of goods unworthy of adopting and living by.

Nice try, but you are far from the first foolish shill I have seen do this on the Internet, and no doubt you won't be the last.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   9:14:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: BTP Holdings (#16)

"It just so happens I have met the man. He is nothing of the sort. He has strong convictions and principles."

So did Hitler. you are lying when you say he is nothing of the sort to contridict me.

I repeat so you get the full impact of my words, you are a willful liar.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   9:18:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Ferret Mike (#22)

Conspiracy-laden discussions of the destruction of the Branch Davidian complex in Waco, Texas; the shootout at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, between the FBI and white-separatist Randy Weaver; and the bombing of the Murrah Federal Office Building in Oklahoma City appeared on the site's Home Page. In one article, Kirk Lyons, defender and self-proclaimed sympathizer of right-wing extremists, likened the events at the Branch Davidian compound to the Nazi destruction of the town of Lidice in Czechoslovakia.8 In another piece, Eustace Mullins, an aged anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist who has spread hate for more than 40 years,

Horsesh!t, like beauty, apparently is in the eye of the beholder!

christine  posted on  2006-06-05   9:22:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

Who is the man that would risk his neck
For his brother man?
JESUS!
Can you dig it?


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2006-06-05   9:25:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

You are a Storm Front mole,

Mike, you're making accusations with absolutely no proof other than your opinion. Please don't do that on this forum. You are certainly welcome to debate and discuss your ideas and opinions, as is everyone here, but please refrain from labeling other posters Stormfronters and racists. Thanks.

christine  posted on  2006-06-05   9:28:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: christine (#26)

I said: You are a Storm Front mole, because whether you are actually proselytizing from that site's articulated mission to spread the hatred you live by or not, you are here doing their work for them.

I said whether he is actually in fact from Storm Front or is not from Storm Front he is doing the stated mission of that site.

I made no accusation that he is most profoundly and definitely from there. You are wrong regarding what I said to him.

My words were very much meant to state that whether he is or is not emanating from that site, he might as well be.

Hope that clarifies this for you.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   9:36:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

I still say Jesus was a space alien. Prove me wrong.

"I woke up in the CRAZY HOUSE."

mehitable  posted on  2006-06-05   9:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ferret Mike, christine (#23)

So did Hitler.

This makes no sense whatever.

Why would I lie about that? It's simply my impression of the man. I'm a fairly good judge of charcter and I'm seldom wrong.

Unless you have proof that I am lying about what I have said, you should not be casting such aspersions as this. It is scurrilous and contemptible behavior.

"To be nobody-but-yourself - in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else - means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can ever fight; and never stop fighting." E.E. Cummings

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-06-05   11:36:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ferret Mike (#22)

Quoting the ADL and Stormfront? You really are a good little commissar wannabe.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   13:34:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: BTP Holdings (#29)

I said - so did Hitler, to which you responded; "This makes no sense whatever."

It does make sense. It was a retort to this bizarre statement of yours' defending Don Black: "He is nothing of the sort. He has strong convictions and principles."

"Why would I lie about that? It's simply my impression of the man. I'm a fairly good judge of character and I'm seldom wrong."

Why would you defend someone like Don Black unless you shared his views? Indeed, why would you even want to meet such a person? This is so bizarre considering how unAmerican and evil Black is how could you expect me to accept such a testimonial from you without at best wonder about your sanity for doing so?

"Unless you have proof that I am lying about what I have said, you should not be casting such aspersions as this. It is scurrilous and contemptible behavior."

You are the one who met with the notorious Don Black, not me. You are the one defending the character of a hateful sociopath who idolizes Hitler and other fascist, murderous, and war mongering criminals, not me.

I agree I should have with held this opinion and let lurkers decide for themselves. But any friend, associate or defender of Don Black who is an enemy of this country is going to get a strong reaction concerning any association with Black. That is a given.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   14:27:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: bluegrass (#30)

"Quoting the ADL and Stormfront? You really are a good little commissar wannabe."

Not only that, I admire the good work and advocay of the ADL. They are a fine organization who does good work shining the light on evil entities such as Storm Front and it's owner Don Black.

As for what sort of wannabe I am, I am a longtime political activist in real life, not a wannabe. I've used my real name in my postings because I am well known locally and not afraid to say anything I say in forums in real life, because I do.

If I hear something that I strongly take issue with in real life, I step right up and take issue with it. I'm not shy. It is in fact something everyone should do.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   14:35:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Ferret Mike (#21)

You are a Storm Front mole

I don't read Stormfront, nutcase.

You're welcome to go live in Africa....which you won't, ever. And you know it.

Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-06-05   14:37:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ferret Mike, christine, robin, Zipporah, Tauzero (#32)

I admire the good work and advocay of the ADL.

They've also been caught, a few times, spying on American citizens for Israel's benefit. They're a foreign entity operating on American soil and against the interests of American citizens.

I do respect you for being upfront about your allegiance, though the respect is nullified by the allegiance itself.

Christine, it appears you have an honest to goodness ADL lackey on your board.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   14:41:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: YertleTurtle (#4)

The mean average IQ of Africans is 70; for American blacks, 85.

To be fair, if white people took IQ tests written by blacks, we'd probably fare none too well either.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   14:44:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: YertleTurtle (#33)

"I don't read Stormfront, nutcase."

It doesn't much matter if you do or don't, you irrationally hate Negroes based on something quite arbitrary; the color of their skin. You probably would even dislike me even more then you do if you knew I have a son who is half African American and half Irish Puerto Rican too. So it goes with the likes of you.

"You're welcome to go live in Africa....which you won't, ever. And you know it."

Heh, I was one of the founders of a local group called Eugene Free South Africa and an a longtime admirer of Nelson Mandela and the father of the Black consciousness movement in that country, Steve Biko. I have studied that country and am very badly wanting to go visit the place.

A close activist friend of mine went to the Horn of Africa and came back with a gorgeous Wife and her son. They have had two lovely Little girls since then, and perhaps when I go to visit that continent, I too will come back with another Negro wife, who's to say? One thing for sure about Black women, they are every bit as beautiful and attractive as White women are. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   14:50:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: bluegrass (#34)

I admire the good work and advocay of the ADL

I think I now know who the real mole is.

Supporting the ADL? Might as well support AIPAC.

Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-06-05   14:52:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: bluegrass (#34)

"Christine, it appears you have an honest to goodness ADL lackey on your board."

Heh, quite excitable, aren't you? I haven't had the pleasure of meeting these nice folks and I am not on their payroll. But thanks for the compliment anyway. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   14:53:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Ferret Mike (#36)

Heh, I was one of the founders of a local group called Eugene Free South Africa and an a longtime admirer of Nelson Mandela and the father of the Black consciousness movement in that country, Steve Biko. I have studied that country and am very badly wanting to go visit the place.

Now I've got you pegged. Socialist Jew, right?

Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-06-05   14:54:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: YertleTurtle (#37)

Supporting the ADL? Might as well support AIPAC.

It's the same thing.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   14:54:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Ferret Mike (#38)

I haven't had the pleasure of meeting these nice folks and I am not on their payroll.

Have you ever emailed or gotten in touch with them?

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   14:55:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: bluegrass (#40)

Supporting the ADL? Might as well support AIPAC.

It's the same thing.

I do believe we have a trouble-making leftist troll on this forum.

There is no excuse whatsoever for supporting Nelson Mandela and Steven Biko. Might as well support Che' and Castro.

Freeper motto: "I read, but do not understand; I write, but make no sense."

YertleTurtle  posted on  2006-06-05   14:57:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: YertleTurtle (#42)

here is no excuse whatsoever for supporting Nelson Mandela and Steven Biko.

There is if you're a South African black.

Biko was a great man for his nation and his people. I'll never denigrate spiritual courage.

"It is better to die for an idea that will live, than to live for an idea that will die."

-Biko

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   15:01:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: bluegrass (#35)

To be fair, if white people took IQ tests written by blacks, we'd probably fare none too well either.

Speaking purely hypothetically.

It's possible of course to construct a test with no difference, but such a test would have zero predictive power.

The less cultural context there is in a test, the more powerful it is, and the bigger the differences.


Like most Star Wars fans, Anakin sure felt disillusioned when he learned being Jedi was a matter of some funky organelles, rather than being spiritually chosen.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-06-05   15:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: YertleTurtle (#42)

There was no excuse for Steve Biko's brutal murder, nor the harassment of his close friend and associate Donald Wood. and certainly the imprisonment of a man as great as Nelson Mandela will always live as an example of racist tyranny and oppression typical of the Nationalist Party in South Africa of that time.

Amandla, Awethu!

Explain to me what Mandela and/or Biko's alleged crimes are in your eyes? I find your attitude toward them very amusing.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   15:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: bluegrass (#43)

There is if you're a South African black.

Indeed.

Same for Mugabe.


Like most Star Wars fans, Anakin sure felt disillusioned when he learned being Jedi was a matter of some funky organelles, rather than being spiritually chosen.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-06-05   15:11:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: bluegrass (#35)

To be fair, if white people took IQ tests written by blacks, we'd probably fare none too well either.

And, just which written African language would be used to test us white folks?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-06-05   15:13:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: bluegrass (#43)

Biko was a great man for his nation and his people. I'll never denigrate spiritual courage.

"It is better to die for an idea that will live, than to live for an idea that will die."

-Biko

Thank you for the kind sentiment. He was a great man.

One time a jailer said to him (paraphrasing from memory), "Kaffir, I am going to kill you!" to which Steve replied, "Well then, I wonder how long it is going to take you."

He was a gifted, compassionate and brave man. He is and always will be a source of deep inspiration for me.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   15:15:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: Ferret Mike (#45)

Explain to me what Mandela and/or Biko's alleged crimes are in your eyes?

For Mandela, the Church Street Massacre


Like most Star Wars fans, Anakin sure felt disillusioned when he learned being Jedi was a matter of some funky organelles, rather than being spiritually chosen.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-06-05   15:29:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Tauzero (#44)

Speaking purely hypothetically.

That's the only way we can speak of this matter. : )

The less cultural context there is in a test, the more powerful it is, and the bigger the differences.

"Cultural context" is in the eye of the beholder. It's my opinion that a purely objective IQ test can't be written.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   15:52:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Tauzero (#46)

Mugabe and Mandela are corrupt bastards. Biko was a different breed altogether.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   15:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: HOUNDDAWG (#47)

just which written African language would be used to test us white folks?

Suppose you're an Eskimo giving an Eskimo IQ test to a 20-year old kid from Lubbock. How would the Lubbock kid fare?

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   15:57:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Ferret Mike (#48)

He was a great man.

Yes, he was. What was great about him was his fight against a dominant minority, much as the fight in America against the dominant minority of the Supremacist Jewish/ZioChristian power structure.

Recall that Zionists were the last supporters of Biko's murderers. You support the ADL, one of the heads of the Zionist hydra in America.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   16:00:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: bluegrass (#52)

Suppose you're an Eskimo giving an Eskimo IQ test to a 20-year old kid from Lubbock. How would the Lubbock kid fare?

Hardly a fair comparison. Blacks who fail the tests are raised in the same country, taught in the same schools by the same teachers and from the same books.

Even blacks from upper middle class and wealthy homes who want to be academic achievers (and, don't embrace nigritude or look for cultural excuses for their failures) test lower than whites from poor homes. (The Bell Curve)

And, math and science questions aren't culturally biased, are they?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2006-06-05   16:07:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Mind_Virus (#0)

Well here's a question that begs to be asked.

If Jesus were black, then how come All of Africa wasn't Christian before the White Man Got There? Here's another question. Why weren't they all Jewish? I mean, one would think that if Jesus were actually black, that his word would have spread amongst his own people well before anywhere else.

Crazy thought I know right?

What's that Mr. Nipples? You want me to ask the nice lady about her rack?.

TommyTheMadArtist  posted on  2006-06-05   16:09:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: HOUNDDAWG (#54)

Blacks who fail the tests are raised in the same country, taught in the same schools by the same teachers and from the same books.

"They cripple the bird's wing, and then condemn it for not flying as fast as they." Malcolm X, "Zionist Logic"

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   16:12:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Tauzero (#49)

The Nationalist Party was fond of murdering or imprisoning any and all leadership that developed in the Black community in South Africa. Often they they had only themselves to blame when groups lacking focus and responsible leaders preformed brutal and unnecessary murders often using the nasty technique known as 'necklacing.' Yes, I am aware of the Church Street Massacre. And I am aware that Nelson Mandela is the founder of Umkhonto we Siswe ("Spear of the People").

I am also aware of the Sharpsville Massacre, and the many thousands of Black men women and children killed maimed and tortured under the brutal regime in South Africa that angered people like Mandela to take up arms much as the French resistance did against similar people as an a Xhosa lawyer from the Transkei and others faced off with in the fight to end the oppressive brutality of Apartheid.

Americans have little clue what it was like to be forced to live without even citizenship in their own country, to be forced to live in barren concentration camp like "homelands" under this system where men could stay at home and starve with their loved ones or live in same sex barracks getting poverty level wages seeing their families once a year if lucky.

When you faced and implacable enemy who denied your very humanity, gave no hope for a future for you and your children, gave you no citizenship and made you carry an internal passport that was often the main tool used to start leaning on you if the authorities decided to, as the Pass Law system in South Africa gave the police unlimited authority in arresting people at will. I am actually surprised that there were not more Church Street Massacres then there were actually.

Because frankly the ANC was nowhere near as accomplished in torture and murder as the Apartheid regime, and the government's history of oppression far exceeds any list of wrongs that could be attributed to those fighting it.

I blame the Nationalist Party for creating the climate that created Church Street much more then condemn the ANC for conducting the bombing there.

I don't sanction the use of violence as occurred on Church Street, but like violence occurring in occupied France or any other land with brutal, fascist and dictatorial leaders, I understand why these things occurred.

I mention the French Resistance for a good reason, because like the ANC they too allied with Communists. As one does not argue with someone throwing you a rope or offering fellowship in fighting oppression in a struggle this intense, you work with them, accept help from them and they you.

South Africa was a place where Non-violent civil disobedience training was not allowed or sanctioned, and the fight was against an enemy who thought nothing about brutally gunning down men women and children on March 21, 1960 as they protested the brutality and tyranny of the pass law.

"During the week of March 20, 1960, the Pan African Congress requested permission to hold a public meeting on Sunday. The request to meet was refused by South African Government officials. The Pan African Congress decided to launch the Pass Book campaign on March 21 by holding a rally and demonstrated to protest these vicious laws. Unable to hold public meeting, members of the PAC called their members to meet at the Sharpsville Tennis Court grounds. (Sharpsville is the African location known as Vereeniging.)

According to eyewitness accounts, at about 1:00 a.m. on March 21, "a great number of people had assembled at the tennis court where they were addressed on the objects of the campaign and had explained to them the decision to surrender peacefully to the police for arrest that day." Further eyewitness accounts explain that, "at 1:30 a.m., a Riot Squad with two security staff cars arrived at the scene of the meeting. Without endeavoring to ask anybody what the gathering was about, the police started shooting from their vehicles into the air to frighten and disperse the crowd."

Later that morning, "a great number of armed White people invaded the location," patrolling the streets and intimidating people with the obvious intentions of causing retaliation so that they might be afforded an excuse to carry out their objective of smashing by brutal force the opposition to the Pass Laws. Leaders of the Pan African Congress continued their planned march to the police station in accordance with their decision that they were going to surrender themselves for arrest. Hundreds of people followed the leaders singing the South African Black National Anthem.

After Mangaliso Robert Sobukwe, the first national president of the PAC, and his aides had been arrested, thousands of unarmed Africans gathered at the police station in Sharpsville. The White police fired on the defenseless men, women, and children. Sixty Africans were killed on the spot and 178 were wounded. More than 80 percent of those shot were shot in the back as they fled. It is because of this incessant act of violence that we commemorate the Sharpsville Massacre.

>http://www.finalcall.com/perspectives/sharpsville04-02- 2002.htm

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   16:39:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Ferret Mike (#57)

So it was a crime, right?


Like most Star Wars fans, Anakin sure felt disillusioned when he learned being Jedi was a matter of some funky organelles, rather than being spiritually chosen.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-06-05   16:43:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: bluegrass (#53)

"Recall that Zionists were the last supporters of Biko's murderers. You support the ADL, one of the heads of the Zionist hydra in America."

Yes, there was indeed an unholy alliance between Israel and the South African Government of that era. The Israelis were instrumental in helping them bypass much of the weapons and military equipment embargo, and U.S. satellites picked up a "zoo animal," code word for nuclear test occurring in South Africa that undoubtedly was the test firing of an Israeli Nuclear weapon.

I remember this well, and this was one of my earliest sources of frustration and anger at the government of Israel.

As far as the ADL goes, I support Good work they have done just as I support Israel's right to exist. I have my criticism of both as well as my praise, which is why I found your comments in your ping to Christine so amusing.

I loathe Bush and much of the co opting of the government by large trans- national corporations, but that doesn't mean I am anti-American and don't support the U.S. government when it does good things. Remember too I was in Special Forces in the United States Army and took part in the un-necessary and illegal invasion of Panama during Operation Just Cause under the auspices of GHW Bush's presidency as well.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   16:49:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: Tauzero (#58)

"So it was a crime, right?"

I do not support violence like that, no. But it was a crime framed in the madness of a million daily crimes in that country, and that government had earlier gunned down defenseless people brutally merely for protesting an unjust law.

I understand why it occured, and I put the primary blame for it's occurance were it belongs, on the national party, the ruling party in the South African government of that time.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   16:53:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Ferret Mike (#59)

As far as the ADL goes, I support Good work they have done

Please list the "good work" and be specific. You also never answered my earlier question re: the ADL:

Have you ever emailed or gotten in touch with them?

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   16:53:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: All (#60)

national party=Nationalist Party

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   16:55:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: bluegrass (#61)

"Have you ever emailed or gotten in touch with them?"

Why do you ask?

As for their good work, that is obvious as they have researched and documented people places and organizations who promote religious, racial and other bigotry quite well and I have found them to be a useful source of material when I have needed such data.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   16:59:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: Ferret Mike (#63)

Why do you ask?

That's a yes, then?

They have researched and documented people places and organizations who promote religious, racial and other bigotry quite well

Where's their research on Ariel Sharon? Menachem Begin?

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   17:03:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: bluegrass (#64)

"That's a yes, then?"

You think I don't have a right to ask your motives in asking?

If your point is germane to the discussion at hand perhaps I will answer that question then.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   17:06:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: Ferret Mike (#65)

You think I don't have a right to ask your motives in asking?

You think I don't have a right to ask your motives in asking?

My motives are quite obvious. You claim you're not an ADL shill and then balk when asked a simple question about your communications with Rabbi Abe "Bacon Breath" Foxman's group.

Where's their research on Ariel Sharon? Menachem Begin?

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   17:08:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Ferret Mike (#60)

I suspect that if the white revolution comes, whites will be exactly as scrupulous as Mandela.

Whites will admit to atrocities. Internal party documents will detail brutality in the party's camps, and even point out the inconsistency with the party's principles.

But whites won't apologize either. Not this time.


Like most Star Wars fans, Anakin sure felt disillusioned when he learned being Jedi was a matter of some funky organelles, rather than being spiritually chosen.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-06-05   17:13:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: bluegrass (#66)

"My motives are quite obvious. You claim you're not an ADL shill and then balk when asked a simple question about your communications with Rabbi Abe "Bacon Breath" Foxman's group."

Actually after ten years of posting in forums like this one on the Internet I am redicent anytime to allow anyone to put me on the defensive for any reason.

My answer would have been the same if you had asked me if I had ever E mailed CAIR. I would have asked why you asked.

Yes I have corresponded with people in that organization, and no I have never worked for them and most certainly am not a shill of theirs'. But I have long been active politically and have snail and E mailed many organizations including CAIR for that matter. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   17:14:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: Ferret Mike (#68)

Thank you for finally answering the question.

Where's their research on Ariel Sharon? Menachem Begin?

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   17:16:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: bluegrass (#50)

It's my opinion that a purely objective IQ test can't be written.

Doesn't have to purely. And there's always subjectivity in the ontology. We can define a thing called reaction time, for example, and devise various ways to measure it.


Like most Star Wars fans, Anakin sure felt disillusioned when he learned being Jedi was a matter of some funky organelles, rather than being spiritually chosen.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-06-05   17:23:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: bluegrass (#69)

"Where's their research on Ariel Sharon? Menachem Begin?"

You would have to ask them, because as I am not part of their organization nor wish to be. In fact, I am also a proponent for a far more liberal, secular government then runs the current coalition government in that country. I am also not Jewish or of a Jewish background being born and raised Catholic.

I have found the ADL primarily useful in regards to information about people, groups and situations in this country, not theirs.

That is far more information then I needed to give you, but I was nice enough to give it to you anyway. The discussion should be about the issues and events at hand, not your fellow interlocutors in a forum, so unless you wish to reciprocate about your political associations, let's get back to the topic at hand if you indeed want to talk about it.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   17:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Tauzero (#70)

We can define a thing called reaction time, for example, and devise various ways to measure it.

True that, but so much of "IQ" is intangible or is at least based on flawed assumptions. I tend to believe that much of what passes for "IQ testing" is like most other things pushed by the uberculture - it's another form of debasing humanity.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   17:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Ferret Mike (#71)

You would have to ask them

The ADL's research on Sharon and Begin doesn't exist because they haven't done any. The ADL supports Jewish liars, thieves, murderers and bigots if they happen to be working for Zionist interests.

So much for their "Good work".

unless you wish to reciprocate about your political associations

I have none. I'm my own man.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   17:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: bluegrass (#73)

I gathered that was your opinion of them befoe you articulated that last post, and I will take that as a no, you don't wish to talk about your political affiliations and associations.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   17:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: Ferret Mike (#74)

you don't wish to talk about your political affiliations and associations.

I told you. I have none.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   17:37:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: bluegrass (#72)

Intelligent people naturally tend to over-value intelligence.

A person with low IQ isn't objectively worse than another... just as someone with high IQ isn't better. And there's an answer no Intelligent, Educated person likes.

Science doesn't make those kinds of judgements. Intelligent people do like to make them, as least with regard to themselves as individuals. But having group identities, too, at that level of aggregation they prefer to discard the science rather than give up the belief that they are superior individuals.


Like most Star Wars fans, Anakin sure felt disillusioned when he learned being Jedi was a matter of some funky organelles, rather than being spiritually chosen.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-06-05   17:41:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: bluegrass (#75)

"I told you. I have none."

Sure you don't. What would you call this? The love to dish it out and an inability to take similar interrogatory from someone else?

My point here is empathy. You seem to have none and are so paranoid you just were dying to try to put me on the spot.

I would further extrapolate that you don't necessarily believe me despite my quite extemporaneous straightforwardness, however would tale great umbrage at any sign I did not believe you when you claim "you are your own man." ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   17:43:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Tauzero (#76)

Intelligent people naturally tend to over-value intelligence.

Unless they're intelligent enough to get over it. ; )

A person with low IQ isn't objectively worse than another... just as someone with high IQ isn't better. And there's an answer no Intelligent, Educated person likes.

You're a wise soul. I'll take a person of integrity over intelligence anyday of the week, though a mix of the two is always a bonus.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   17:44:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Ferret Mike (#77)

Sure you don't. What would you call this?

I call this an exchange of opinion and information by free people. I belong to no party, I gave up on the voting scam and I give no time or money to any group pushing a "cause".

My point here is empathy.

Supporting the ADL is a sign of deficient or skewed empathy. They back theft and murder.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   17:47:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: bluegrass (#79)

Heh, well I support the efforts of the Ross institute to build a database of cult groups and general cult information too as exists at http://Rickross.com, but do not support the kidnapping and deprogramming of people who suffer from the sort of sudden personality change/brainwashing cults despite the good intentions involved in doing so.

I like the research done and presented freely by the ADL and find it useful. Just like that available from the Ross institute. You may not like the ADL, but not everyone is going to be as closed minded about an excellent resource of material as you are apparently.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   17:56:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: All (#80)

That's right, the software automatically hotlinks things typed in URL form here is that site talked about and given a broken link I had not intended for it to have. ;-)

http://rickross.com/

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   17:58:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: Ferret Mike (#80)

not everyone is going to be as closed minded about an excellent resource of material as you are apparently.

You're opposed to bigotry unless it's Jewish bigotry. That's called hypocrisy.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   17:59:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: bluegrass (#82)

"You're opposed to bigotry unless it's Jewish bigotry. That's called hypocrisy."

You put your fingers in gear to type without putting your mind in gear to do critical thinking, that is called foolishness.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   18:01:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: Ferret Mike (#83)

You put your fingers in gear to type without putting your mind in gear to do critical thinking

I'm not the one claiming to be opposed to bigotry, hate, etc. and then turning around and praising one of the oldest hate groups in America, a hate group that happens to the propaganda arm of B'nai B'rith.

You lose critical thinking when it comes to the Tribe. I don't.

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   18:10:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: bluegrass (#84)

"I'm not the one claiming to be opposed to bigotry, hate, etc. and then turning around and praising one of the oldest hate groups in America, a hate group that happens to the propaganda arm of B'nai B'rith."

Everybody has their own opinion on everyone and everything, now don't they?

You are wrong, but that is your prerogative. Just as it is mine to access their information resources if I need the use of them.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   18:28:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: Ferret Mike (#85)

Everybody has their own opinion on everyone and everything, now don't they?

Absolutely.

Your words:

"...they have researched and documented people places and organizations who promote religious, racial and other bigotry quite well"

Who they protect by remaining silent on is just as important as who they "expose" and "promote".

"All of the rabbis appeared on my behalf, the ADL guy appeared on my behalf. Finally they voted to let me in."
-Warren Buffett on his membership at Highland Country Club

bluegrass  posted on  2006-06-05   18:38:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: bluegrass, YertleTurtle (#35)

To be fair, if white people took IQ tests written by blacks, we'd probably fare none too well either.

Yeah, none of us fare too well at ebonics. ROTFLOL!

"To be nobody-but-yourself - in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else - means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can ever fight; and never stop fighting." E.E. Cummings

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-06-05   18:39:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: bluegrass, Ferret Mike (#84)

You lose critical thinking when it comes to the Tribe. I don't.

I think he's got you on that one, Mike.

As for all of the tired canards you have flung around so haphazardly, those are nothing more than political language which belong in the dustbin.

“Political language … is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind. One cannot change this all in a moment, but one can at least change one’s own habits, and from time to time one can even, if one jeers loudly enough, send some worn-out and useless phrase … into the dust bin, where it belongs.” Eric Arthur Blair (George Orwell)

"To be nobody-but-yourself - in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else - means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can ever fight; and never stop fighting." E.E. Cummings

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-06-05   18:48:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: BTP Holdings (#88)

"I think he's got you on that one, Mike."

He doesn't. And your comment here shows how little you actually know.

"As for all of the tired canards you have flung around so haphazardly, those are nothing more than political language which belong in the dustbin."

Speak for yourself. You are the one who is giddy as a starstruck schoolgirl at having actually met Don Black.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   21:54:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: BTP Holdings (#87)

"Yeah, none of us fare too well at ebonics."

Or good sound political instincts either.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   21:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Ferret Mike (#90)

I think people would resent it if I ran as the ebonics candidate.

Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-05   22:03:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: Dakmar (#91)

honkey

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...  posted on  2006-06-05   22:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: ... (#92)

Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-05   22:59:15 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: Dakmar (#91)

And your point is...?

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   23:12:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: Ferret Mike, ... (#94)

... called me a honkey. I don't have to put up with that.

Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-05   23:21:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Dakmar (#93)

white debbil

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...  posted on  2006-06-05   23:26:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Dakmar (#95)

I still don't see your point. Explain.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   23:26:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Ferret Mike (#97)

Well being lilly white, I think some people might get upset if I ran on a pro-ebonics ticket is all.

Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-05   23:38:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Dakmar (#98)

"Well being lilly white, I think some people might get upset if I ran on a pro-ebonics ticket is all."

In other words you don't have a point to your comment. This is your problem, not mine.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   23:40:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: BTP Holdings, Fewrret Mike (#87)

"Yeah, none of us fare too well at ebonics."

So you're saying you are anti-ebonics? That might get you into trouble. Has the pro-ebonics angle been tried yet, by a white guy I mean?

Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-05   23:41:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: Ferret Mike (#99)

Rather than lament I lampoon.

How's that grab you?

Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-05   23:42:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: Dakmar (#100)

I don't sweat someone entertaining themselves with baiting 101. Glad you found somthingto amuse yourself with tonight, enjoy.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   23:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Ferret Mike (#102)

You need to quit treating minorities like they are helpless victims and you're their savior, it would get you rolled in the parking lot most places around here.

Quit bogarting that peace, Herbert!

Dakmar  posted on  2006-06-05   23:50:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Dakmar (#103)

"You need to quit treating minorities like they are helpless victims and you're their savior, it would get you rolled in the parking lot most places around here."

I don't. That is your mis-perception. People are people, with good and bad ones in all demographic groups. I also hardly view myself as a savior as well. I am just a human being with my share of graces and faults like anyone else.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-05   23:57:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: Ferret Mike (#89)

giddy as a starstruck schoolgirl at having actually met Don Black.

Nah! Not likely. I've been near big time stars that make Don Black look like a peanut vendor. I'm not phased in the least. He's got his gig, and that's the way it is.

"To be nobody-but-yourself - in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else - means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can ever fight; and never stop fighting." E.E. Cummings

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-06-06   0:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Ferret Mike (#90)

good sound political instincts

That means, of course, that you tell as many lies and make as many promises to your constituents as you have breath to speak. And then don't keep the promises and tell them the lies were the truth.

No thanks.

"To be nobody-but-yourself - in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else - means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can ever fight; and never stop fighting." E.E. Cummings

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-06-06   0:06:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: Dakmar (#100)

Has the pro-ebonics angle been tried yet, by a white guy I mean?

I think a state rep in California did. When asked why, he said white people would themselves need it one day.


Like most Star Wars fans, Anakin sure felt disillusioned when he learned being Jedi was a matter of some funky organelles, rather than being spiritually chosen.

Tauzero  posted on  2006-06-06   0:09:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: BTP Holdings (#105)

"He's got his gig, and that's the way it is."

A gig huh? And how do you feel about this...gig? Do you resonate with his effortd, do you feel as I do that he is destroying lives and working to destroy community building in this country? I find it odd in any event you would wind up meeting this person.

He is about as nasty a POS as they come and I can't imagine any senario where I myslf would give him anything more then as hard a time as possible over all the bad he does to split people apart and bring out the worst in them if by chance we met.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2006-06-06   0:15:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Ferret Mike (#108)

I find it odd in any event you would wind up meeting this person.

Why so odd? We were in New Orleans at the same time and place. We met but it was nothing spectacular. No big deal.

BTW, Don Black is every bit as much an activist as you are. In some ways you are alike, though you would not think so. Don't ask me to explain. (I know you will flip out at my comparison.)

Don Black is much more a gentleman than you or I, and does not use profanity and name calling to express himself. You can believe that BS on the ADL site if you wish. No skin off my nose.

"To be nobody-but-yourself - in a world which is doing its best, night and day, to make you everybody else - means to fight the hardest battle which any human being can ever fight; and never stop fighting." E.E. Cummings

BTP Holdings  posted on  2006-06-06   0:38:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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