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Title: Gaza: A Filler War Between Ukraine and China
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Published: Nov 18, 2023
Author: Fred Reed
Post Date: 2023-11-18 16:20:43 by Ada
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Everybody and his dog is writing about Palestine. The dogs are probably doing it more intelligently, but I can’t change my phylum, or even species. We columnists do what we can and suffer what we must.

OK, Israel. The current war is an ordinary case of colonialism. In the late Forties the Jews grabbed Palestine militarily. When you do that, the people displaced hate you and want to kill you. The only way to control them is brutally. Which the Jews did, and do. Eventually the colonized revolt. They just did. When this happens, the occupying power responds without measure or mercy. It is as predictable as the value of pi.

There is nothing particularly Jewish about it. Colonialism was all the rage for centuries among Eurowhites. The Jews just had poor timing, getting into colonialism when everybody else was getting out. European peoples, certainly to include Americans, acquired most of the world at gunpoint, exactly as the Jews are absorbing parts they like in the Middle East. America got half of Mexico, Puerto Rico and the Philippines. The Philippinos, who did not want to be colonials, fought. The Americans crushed them with stomach-turning savagery. If interested in this, read Little Brown Brother, by Leon Wolff.

Europeans got all of Latin America, India, most of Southeast Asia, Africa, much of China, the Muslim world, and Gaza. The philosophy was that if you see something you like, and have better weapons, just say, “Mine!,” and snatch it.

What the Jews are doing is sickening, but usual. The Europowers (today often called in the Global South, Anglo-Saxons) routinely did things at least as bad as what the Jews now do in Palestine. These atrocities were hideous, but now largely unknown as they are not permitted in history books. The mass killings, torture, starvation, poisoning and so on were nauseating.

You may think that the British were above such barbarity, being noble and quoting Shakespeare and such. No. They were quite ordinary. Try this: Ten Atrocities That the British Don’t Want You To Know. French (Algeria), Belgians (the Belgian Congo), Spanish (Mexico et al), and America (the Philippines). The treatment of slaves in the sugar plantations of the British West Indies was ghastly. Go to Zacatecas in Mexico and see the torture instruments in the museum. You may blow your lunch.

To understand American foreign policy, remember that it has three, and only three, goals: Money, power, and empire. This may sound like high- school cynicism. It isn’t, or if it is, high-schoolers are more perceptive than they used to be. Governments, certainly Washington and Tel Aviv, don’t give a wan etiolated damn about democracy, human rights, values, war crimes, truth, justice, or the American way (as, anciently, the announcer droned of the latter three as Superman jumped out of the window). They don’t care about dead children or bombed hospitals, though they have to make mooing noises about these things while doing nothing.

In Gaza, the essential fact is that Israel can do anything it wants because Washington will support it without limit. This is because Jewish influence in America is immense and unshakable. If this were not so Israel probably would not last since it has nothing America needs or wants and the Arabs have oil, lots of it. Conservatives grouse about AIPAC’s power, but with no effect. One might as well complain of sunrise or gravitation.

Since the US wields a veto in the United Nations, this august box of pointless chatter can do nothing but wave its hands and say, “the children, the children.” Money, power, empire.

Washington will urge a ceasefire and orate about humanitarian aid while sending arms and aircraft carriers to Israel. It will also stall until Israel has accomplished whatever it intends to accomplish. Huge demonstrations against the killing will probably have no effect as Western countries have learned to be democracies without the populaces having power.

No point exists in honking about international law. Law exists only when there are means of enforcing it. Who is going to make the United States follow laws?

Much breath is wasted in lamenting the killing of civilians. It would make more sense to drink beer and watch Star Trek reruns. This would have as much effect and be more agreeable. As long as America supports the killing, it will continue.

Besides, killing civilians has a long and celebrated past in the West. The firebombing of Tokyo, Dresden, and other cities, the obliteration of Hiroshima and Nagasaki eliminated hundreds of thousands, often by burning. These were not military targets. The German siege of Leningrad did yeoman work in the starvation line. The Americans killed God knows how many Viet civilians in that war and often treated them bestially. The Germans, now called “Nazis” to disguise what Germans are and did, killed lots of Jews.

When Americas pilots bombed Baghdad, perhaps they didn’t know that civilians lived in cities. Things can slip one’s mind.

When it comes to killing civilians, the Jews have been barely more than wannabes, though maybe only because they didn’t have the opportunity. In this century and the last, the heavy hitters in such matters as burning children alive have been chiefly the Americans, British, and Germans, with the Turks making a good showing in the early years of the last century. The Japanese did pretty well too. The Brits starved additional millions to death in India, but I don’t think they should be allowed to count these since it wasn’t intentional but just a result of using India’s food to support WW II or deny it to the Japanese.

Apparently some Israeli has mentioned the possibility of nuking Gaza. Whether this was casual blather or calculated intimidation, I don’t know. The Jews have also said that they could do to Beirut what they are doing to Gaza. Tel Aviv’s nuclear warheads presumably reduce the ardor of Hezbola and Iran for joining the fray.

But Iran is Israel’s bugaboo, as Iraq formerly was. An interesting question is what would happen if Israel nuked Iran. The Israeli approach is just do it, brazen it out, rely on American protection, and wait a few years for indignation to die down. What would, or could, any country do? Washington would be shocked, horrified, concerned, make disapproving noises, and do nothing. The “world community” would gnash its hair, pull its teeth, turn purple, and do nothing. That is, nothing effective. Countries would summon ambassadors, sever relations, stop trading with Israel for a few years, and maybe wave their hands in the air. Washington would Say Stern Tings, but do nothing, and make sure nobody else did either.

Onward and upward.Or think beer and Star Trek reruns.

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#1. To: Ada (#0)

If Iran were nuked, they would use Kinzhal missiles to take out all four US aircraft carriers in the region, sink every US ship in the Persian Gulf, kill or capture every US soldier in Iraq and and Syria, cut off oil coming out of the Persian Gulf sending the price of oil to $350 and maybe even $500 barrel. And they would also declare cyber war against both the American government and its corporations. They could also destroy every Israeli airbase.

Hezbollah would burn Israel from Haifa north to the ground. Iranian militiamen would start another front in the Golan Heights. And the US would be thrown into a hyperinflationary Depression where wages would be cut 60% which would initiate a Second US Civil war. Initially, all major US cities would be burned to the ground.

Threats from a bully work until they are carried out against a superior power.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2023-11-18   18:56:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Ada (#0)

An interesting question is what would happen if Israel nuked Iran

Question is could Israel launch a missile that Iran wouldn't or couldn't shoot down.

If one actually reached its target and detonated, I'd take a wild guess and say that what's left of Iran's military would launch massive attacks against US ships and bases, as well as Israel's.

That and other Arab countries such as Pakistan, and maybe Russia and China, might not be too happy about being on the receiving end of nuclear fallout and may just turn Israel into a huge glass parking lot.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2023-11-18   19:24:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: FormerLurker (#2)

That and other Arab countries such as Pakistan

Paki's aren't Arabs, FL, they are renegade subcontinetals.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2023-11-18   19:28:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Dakmar (#3)

Either way I don't think they'd be celebrating if nuclear fallout were raining down on them.


"After tomorrow those SOB's will never embarrass me again. That’s not a threat. That’s a promise.” – LBJ to his mistress Madeleine Brown on the eve of JFK assassination

FormerLurker  posted on  2023-11-18   19:39:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Horse (#1)

Threats from a bully work until they are carried out against a superior power.

Is this thing working? Is this thing on?

In the hallway of a high school, anywhere USA There was a bully that would pick on a different kid And it seemed like every day

He had this pack of back slapping buddies That would laugh and back him up all the way And this screaming girlfriend That would make believe in everything he'd say

Is this thing working? Is this thing on?

Because then one day this kid That he'd beat up a couple times before Realized, to even his own surprise That he probably could indeed take more

And with that he hatched an evil plan to make that devil pay He walked up to him, in the middle of the gym And he found the nerve to say You gonna hit somebody, today? You gonna hit me, too In fact, you're gonna hit me every day Because now I'm picking on you

And as crazy as it all might sound right now I'm not stopping until I'm through It's too late to beg for mercy

Is this thing working? Is this thing on?

Because that bully he just laughed and laughed Of course, and so did all of his friends And he beat that poor kid unmercifully For days and days on end

Only slightly less impressively each time To that pretty girl and all of his friends Who would eventually, secretly Start hoping for that kid to win

So, is this thing working? Is this thing on?

You know, you'll never hear him say this now Because he thinks we still don't know But winning this battle every day Cost our bully the war a long time ago

And of all the scars he's got to show For every blow that kid sneaks in The worst one is probably knowing That tomorrow he's going to have to get up And fight that kid again

Is this thing working? Is this thing on? Songwriters: Snider Todd Daniel

ghostrider  posted on  2023-11-18   19:48:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: FormerLurker (#4)

Either way I don't think they'd be celebrating if nuclear fallout were raining down on them.

Looks Like Rain :)

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2023-11-18   19:48:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: ghostrider (#5)

In the hallway of a high school, anywhere USA There was a bully that would pick on a different kid And it seemed like every day

I had one of those, a wrastler. Went on for about two months, they guy kept calling me a pussy for some reason. I didn't really care what he thought, until he broke my pocket protector :)

That was all I was going to take. I marched the stupid bitch into the Coke machine and addressed him:

"What is your fucking problem? Do you want to die?"

At that point several teachers rushed over, thinking I was about to get hurt, and they would get sued if they let that happen. Knowing this (and yes, I am a weakling cripple but not a coward), I ran wrassler boy into coke machine hard and he never messed with me again.

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2023-11-18   20:00:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: FormerLurker (#4)

I sort of miss screwing with zuckerborgs minions in genpop...

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2023-11-18   20:53:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: ghostrider (#5)

Can I borrow your Camaro, Cooter? :)

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2023-11-18   21:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Ada (#0)

The War Prayer

by Mark Twain

It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and spluttering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spread of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory which stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts, and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country, and invoked the God of Battles beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpourings of fervid eloquence which moved every listener. It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry warning that for their personal safety's sake they quickly shrank out of sight and offended no more in that way. Sunday morning came -- next day the battalions would leave for the front; the church was filled; the volunteers were there, their young faces alight with martial dreams -- visions of the stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender! Then home from the war, bronzed heroes, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden seas of glory! With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for the flag, or, failing, die the noblest of noble deaths. The service proceeded; a war chapter from the Old Testament was read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose, with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured out that tremendous invocation

God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest! Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!

Then came the "long" prayer. None could remember the like of it for passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language. The burden of its supplication was, that an ever-merciful and benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young soldiers, and aid, comfort, and encourage them in their patriotic work; bless them, shield them in the day of battle and the hour of peril, bear them in His mighty hand, make them strong and confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them to crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable honor and glory --

An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his head bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness. With all eyes following him and wondering, he made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the preacher's side and stood there waiting. With shut lids the preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued with his moving prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal, "Bless our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord our God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!"

The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside -- which the startled minister did -- and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes, in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said:

"I come from the Throne -- bearing a message from Almighty God!" The words smote the house with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he gave no attention. "He has heard the prayer of His servant your shepherd, and will grant it if such shall be your desire after I, His messenger, shall have explained to you its import -- that is to say, its full import. For it is like unto many of the prayers of men, in that it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of -- except he pause and think.

"God's servant and yours has prayed his prayer. Has he paused and taken thought? Is it one prayer? No, it is two -- one uttered, the other not. Both have reached the ear of Him Who heareth all supplications, the spoken and the unspoken. Ponder this -- keep it in mind. If you would beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon a neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain upon your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse upon some neighbor's crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it.

"You have heard your servant's prayer -- the uttered part of it. I am commissioned of God to put into words the other part of it -- that part which the pastor -- and also you in your hearts -- fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard these words: 'Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!' That is sufficient. the whole of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory -- must follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle -- be Thou near them! With them -- in spirit -- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved fire sides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

[After a pause. ] "Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! -- The messenger of the Most High waits!"

It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.

Mark Twain who served very briefly in the Confederate Army detested war and had a very dim view of those who promote it.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Any sufficiently advanced evil is indistinguishable from stupidity. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")

Original_Intent  posted on  2023-11-18   23:43:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#10)

I don't smoke weed very often anymore, but if I did Sam Clemens would be the first person I would want to get high with. :)

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2023-11-18   23:56:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Original_Intent (#10)

That or Thomas Jefferson

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.

Like Batman, lol, Thom and I driving around kicking ass! :)

“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2023-11-19   0:04:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Dakmar (#11)

don't smoke weed very often anymore, but if I did Sam Clemens would be the first person I would want to get high with. :)

I haven't in over 40 years. However, I, as was ol' Sam, am partial to a good cigar. Like the one I am currently puffing on.

"“Believe nothing merely because you have been told it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be kind, conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings - that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.” ~ Gautama Siddhartha — The Buddha

Any sufficiently advanced evil is indistinguishable from stupidity. ~ Unk (Paraphrase of Clarke's 3rd Law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.")

Original_Intent  posted on  2023-11-19   14:18:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Dakmar (#7)

That was all I was going to take. I marched the stupid bitch into the Coke machine and addressed him:

"What is your fucking problem? Do you want to die?"

coke and a smile? or did momentary unconsciousness give him the pause that refreshes?

ghostrider  posted on  2023-11-19   20:31:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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