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Title: Militant Jesus - 'Grand Theft Armageddon' and the rise of a violent Christian media empire
Source: gnn.tv (Guerilla News Network)
URL Source: http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2325/Militant_Jesus
Published: Jun 2, 2006
Author: Michael Standaert
Post Date: 2006-06-04 16:17:10 by robin
Keywords: None
Views: 425
Comments: 24

Militant Jesus

Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:43:04 -0700


Skipping Towards Armageddon : The Politics and Propaganda of the Left Behind Novels and the LaHaye Empire (Paperback)

by Michael Standaert

Still from Eternal Forces
By Michael Standaert
'Grand Theft Armageddon' and the rise of a violent Christian media empire

Editor’s note: Michael Standaert’s recently released Skipping Towards Armageddon: The Politics and Propaganda of the Left Behind Novels and the LaHaye Empire (Soft Skull Press) is a chilling look at the rise of Tim LaHaye and his Left Behind media juggernaut.

The final of three prequels to the Left Behind series will be released on 6.6.06, which makes a total of fifteen books in the wildly popular series. They have reportedly sold 70 million copies in the U.S. alone. Co-author (with Jerry Jenkins) LaHaye is a long-time minister and one of the most influential religious right activists in the country. He is the co-founder of Moral Majority, and a prominent member of the Council for National Policy, Concerned Women for America, and other right-wing organizations. The Left Behind books revolve around the notion of the Rapture – a line of belief in Protestant fundamentalism that reads the final book of the Bible, Revelations, as God’s literal outline for what the future holds in store for humanity. In this belief system, only the “true believers” will be taken to Heaven before a seven year period of tribulation and catastrophe marking the rise of the Antichrist. In the Left Behind books, the Antichrist character, Nicolae Carpathia, takes on virtually every liberal stereotype and in essence becomes the figurehead for all that is evil in the world, basically anything that does not conform to the line of belief LaHaye espouses. Those characters “left behind” are forced to choose either the way of Carpathia (Satan) or the way of those fighting against him (the Tribulation Force, made up of new “true” believers), who choose the way of Jesus, albeit one who bears a strikingly similar violent figure to the antichrist they are fighting against.

This fall, LaHaye will release Left Behind: Eternal Forces, a hyper-violent, graphically advanced video game that appears strikingly similar to the controversial best-selling Grand Theft Auto games. Instead of bashing hookers’ heads in and blowing away cops, in Eternal Forces you’re killing evildoers for the Lord. It’s the latest, and most violent, in a series of games produced by Left Behind Games. The video games are another outlet for LaHaye’s apocalyptic narrative and are meant to both make a profit that can be folded back into LaHaye’s activities (he boasts that nearly half of his earnings go to supporting his activism), as well as to reach out to audiences who haven’t been exposed to the Left Behind books. As in the books, the game draws the line between what they see as good and evil, dehumanizing both believer and non-believer into faceless, cardboard characters that are easily exterminated. Perhaps the most alarming message conveyed by the books and games is that everyone outside the line of Protestant fundamentalist belief for LaHaye is the enemy, no holds barred, and must be eliminated. For more about Left Behind: Eternal Forces go here. Information on the Richard Hofstadter mentioned below can be found here.

In this exclusive excerpt for GNN, Standaert describes how Jesus Christ is portrayed as a vengeful, unforgiving messiah in the Left Behind novels as opposed to the forgiving, loving one most often thought of by Christians:

Excerpt from Skipping Towards Armageddon:

Militant Jesus

The main character, the hero of the Left Behind novels, is Jesus Christ, the militant warrior messiah returning to conquer evil and bring a utopian paradise to the world. Upon his return tens of thousands of non-believing soldiers are struck dead. Here is LaHaye and Jenkins describing that final battle:

Their innards and entrails gushed to the desert floor, and those around them turned to run, they too were slain, their blood pooling and rising in the unforgiving brightness of the glory of Christ.

The Jesus the authors have created, with all his destruction and lust for power, often seems no better than the Satan he is fighting. “This vision of Christ, who eviscerates his human foesand drops them to the desert floor, is fast becoming the Savior for our times,” writes Paul O’Donnell at Beliefnet in a review of The Glorious Appearing. Hofstadter offers another thought: “Very often the fantasies of true believers reveal strong sadomasochistic outlets, vividly expressed, for example, in the delight of anti-Masons with the cruelty of Masonic punishments.” LaHaye truly accepts this version of a militant Jesus, the conquering knight on a white horse Jesus, the triumphant and warrior-like Jesus. “Unfortunately, we’ve gone through a time when liberalism has so twisted the real meaning of Scripture that we’ve manufactured a loving, wimpy Jesus that he wouldn’t even do anything in judgment,” LaHaye said in an interview with CBS’s 60 Minutes in early 2004. “And that’s not the God of the Bible. That’s not the way Jesus reads in Scripture.” Jenkins echoes these sentiments in the CBS interview, saying “That stuff is straight out of the Bible. The idea of him slaying the enemy with the sword, that comes from his mouth, which is The Word, and the fact that the enemies eyes melt in their heads, their tongues disintegrate, their flesh drops off, I didn’t make that up. That’s out of prophecy.” Here Jenkins and LaHaye willfully confuse the words of Jesus with the words written in the Revelation, mixing them in this long convoluted theology constructed through premillennialist teaching over the last 150 years.

Reverend Barbara Rossing, who teaches at the Lutheran School of Theology in Chicago, attempts to debunk many of the Darbian premillennialist ideas about Revelation that LaHaye supports in a book called The Rapture Exposed. Her argument is that LaHaye and others are marketing a “false view” of this militant Jesus, pieced together from a variety of references in the Bible. She and most other mainline Christians insist on Jesus as a “non-violent lamb” who conquers through his dying for sin, not through slaughtering non-believers. “They make this an us vs. them kind of theology,” she said.4 “If you’re not with us, you’re against us.”

In many ways Carpathia’s utopian global society is a mirror of the utopian global society premillennialsts yearn for. The stark difference is the utopian society premillennialists urge is not of this world, not in human hands, but one which is promised after the destruction of that human world to be later rebuilt and presided over by the militant and vanquishing God-King Jesus. Rayford Steele’s daughter Chloe remarks early in the book Armageddon that they are “less than a year to real freedom” — a remark that essentially says freedom or hope in freedom is not of this world. Fortunately for her, she doesn’t have to wait a year — she is captured and killed by the end of the book. She eventually does make a cameo appearance later when all the Tribulation saints return with the warrior Jesus.

Before she is executed via the guillotine, Chloe combines the Americanist myth with the premillennialist narrative, directly equating her execution with Jesus’s crucifixion, quoting Patrick Henry’s famous regret about “one life to live” but calling him a martyr instead of a patriot, followed immediately by Jesus’s “they know not what they do.”

Chloe turned to the people and spoke softly. “A famous martyr once said he regretted he had but one life to give. That is how I feel today. On the cross, dying for the sins of the world, my own Savior, Jesus the Christ, prayed, ‘Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.’”

On the following page is a reference to the words of Jim Elliot, a missionary executed by a tribe in South America in 1956 for trying to convert them, a construction which attempts to bind patriotism and religious martyrdom together with Jesus dying on the cross.

The treatment of Chloe’s death hints at a problem for premillennialists and prophecy believers in general — America doesn’t appear in the Bible. To get around this they often say, as pastor Bruce mentions in Tribulation Force, echoing the real life words of LaHaye, that America will be sidelined and not a player in “End Times” events. Yet wherever possible they draw in the Americanist myths in crafting their narrative, and combine it, as in Chloe’s execution, with the premillenial narrative. Other than these neo-premillennialists and Orthodox Jews, the only group that doesn’t fall for Carpathia’s plan for world domination in the Left Behind books is the American militia movement; this group appears prominently in the novel Tribulation Force. Part of this militia rebellion is portrayed as coming from Carpathia’s bent on disarming the whole world, cleaning up nuclear weapons and attempting to impose peace. Here, Carpathia explains to Buck the purpose of disarmament:

“Millions have vanished. People are scared. They are tired of war, tired of bloodshed, tired of chaos. They need to know that peace is within our grasp. The response to my plan to disarm the world has been met with almost unanimous favor.”

“Not by the American militia movement.”

“Bless them,” Carpathia said, smiling. “If we accomplish what I have proposed, do you really think a bunch of zealots running around in the woods wearing fatigues and shooting off popguns will be a threat to the global community? Buck, I am merely responding to the heartfelt wishes of the decent citizens of the world. Of course there will still be bad apples, and I would never forbid the news media to give them fair coverage, but I do this with the purest of motives.”

Before the battle with Carpathia, the militia groups had started hording weapons. Later, even the president of the United States lends his support in the militia sneak attack on Washington, D.C., New York and London, the latter by a group of English patriots. By the end of that book the militia movement is for the most part destroyed, leaving behind a network of premillennialist militia forces — the Tribulation Force — to take their place.


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#1. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt, Rabble Rouser, TommyTheMadArtist, Zipporah, Ferret Mike, Dakmar (#0)

ping!

No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison

robin  posted on  2006-06-04   16:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: robin (#1)

The final of three prequels to the Left Behind series will be released on 6.6.06, which makes a total of fifteen books in the wildly popular series.

They aren't even trying to fool us anymore, are they?

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-06-04   16:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: who knows what evil (#2)

The final of three prequels to the Left Behind series will be released on 6.6.06, which makes a total of fifteen books in the wildly popular series.

They aren't even trying to fool us anymore, are they?

lol! That is a bit in-your-face.

No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison

robin  posted on  2006-06-04   16:38:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#3)

lol! That is a bit in-your-face.

When one considers John 16:2 in a prophetic sense (..."the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers G-d service."); I'm not inclined to laugh. I'm Christian, but these people make me very uncomfortable.

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-06-04   16:55:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: who knows what evil (#4)

When one considers John 16:2 in a prophetic sense (..."the time is coming that whoever kills you will think that he offers G-d service."); I'm not inclined to laugh. I'm Christian, but these people make me very uncomfortable.

a fitting scripture, no it isn't at all amusing

No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison

robin  posted on  2006-06-04   17:41:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#5)

this rapture business has always interested me. as far as i can tell, it is a very liberal and far out interpretation of a few biblical verses by a group that prides itself on taking the bible literally.

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-06-04   18:13:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: robin (#0)

Their innards and entrails gushed to the desert floor, and those around them turned to run, they too were slain, their blood pooling and rising in the unforgiving brightness of the glory of Christ.

this is some very sick stuff. these freaks repulse me beyond description.

christine  posted on  2006-06-04   18:19:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: robin (#0)

I'll have to check out this book. Thanks for posting this. The Left Behind series is a big load of horseshit, imho. It's 'the davinci code' for fundies.

"That's libertarians for you - anarchists who want police protection from their slaves." Kim Stanley Robinson, "Green Mars" p318

peteatomic  posted on  2006-06-04   18:30:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Morgana le Fay (#6)

this rapture business has always interested me. as far as i can tell, it is a very liberal and far out interpretation of a few biblical verses by a group that prides itself on taking the bible literally.

Very good observation.

hints at a problem for premillennialists and prophecy believers in general — America doesn’t appear in the Bible.

This sort of the left the barn door open for every idiot to add his or her 2 cents.

No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison

robin  posted on  2006-06-04   18:53:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: christine (#7)

Their innards and entrails gushed to the desert floor, and those around them turned to run, they too were slain, their blood pooling and rising in the unforgiving brightness of the glory of Christ.

this is some very sick stuff. these freaks repulse me beyond description.

Truly repulsive, I quite agree. Not sure what the psychology is to arrive at this point, and I almost don't want to know.

No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison

robin  posted on  2006-06-04   18:54:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: robin (#10)

Not sure what the psychology is to arrive at this point,

It is latest manifestation of the paranoid style of middle American politics. This is a country in which money is worshipped above all and everything is swept aside in the name of money. Tradition, family, religion, country all take a back seat to money and the making of money. America has been built up and torn down 8 times over with damn near nothing surviving from one generation to the next that is recognizable. Nothing lasts here. And this lack of permanence in American society has bred an extremely paranoid politics in which a "They" is somehow always responsible for a society constantly changing and evolving. A style of politics that seeks to blame someone for this constant sense of unease and lack of permancence. And it is manifested on both the "left" and the "right". Mostly now we see it on the "right". The "liberal" is too blame for everything wrong in America.

What this rapture nutterism is all about is just an even more extreme version of this paranoid political culture. The "Christ" of the rapture nutters is akin to a pagan deity that protects his tribe and whom they call upon to smite their enemies as Ancient Athenians would call on Athena to aid them in battle against the Spartans. This "Left behind" nonsense is just a giant tribal revenge fantasy writ large in which all their imagined persecutors are slain by their Killer God- the "liberals", the homosexuals, the Catholics, most Jews, and basically evenyone not of the white American Heartland tribe.

Burkeman1  posted on  2006-06-04   19:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Burkeman1 (#11)

This "Left behind" nonsense is just a giant tribal revenge fantasy writ large in which all their imagined persecutors are slain by their Killer God- the "liberals", the homosexuals, the Catholics, most Jews, and basically evenyone not of the white American Heartland tribe.

It's even more convoluted than that, but not worth de-tangling unless you're trying to reach someone totally caught up in it. And then I would say it's nearly impossible, find something better to do. ;p

No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison

robin  posted on  2006-06-04   20:05:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: robin (#10)

Truly repulsive, I quite agree. Not sure what the psychology is to arrive at this point, and I almost don't want to know.

the guy who wrote the book FUBAR was just on air america. he made the point that these people are powerful and to a large extent control the republican party. he referred to them as the american taliban.

Morgana le Fay  posted on  2006-06-04   20:06:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: robin (#0)

The idea of him slaying the enemy with the sword, that comes from his mouth, which is The Word, and the fact that the enemies eyes melt in their heads, their tongues disintegrate, their flesh drops off, I didn’t make that up. That’s out of prophecy.” Here Jenkins and LaHaye willfully confuse the words of Jesus with the words written in the Revelation,

I've not read nor followed any of the Left Behind stuff. And I don't keep up with pre=millennial, or post=millenial terminology/arguments/etc.

However, I believe what I've held out in the Quote section regarding eyes melting, tongues rotting, and flesh falling off/melting/whatever---is in Zechariah, the prophet, second last in the Old Testament. One of the last 3 - 4 chapters. I just finished reading this a few days ago.

It may well be that Jesus was quoting or recalling this prophesy at some point or in Revelations (didn't bother to check that out), but in the quote above, LaHaye/Jenkins are saying it is straight out of prophesy and this writer is trying to contradict it by calling them 'willfully confusing'.

rowdee  posted on  2006-06-04   23:25:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: rowdee (#14)

However, I believe what I've held out in the Quote section regarding eyes melting, tongues rotting, and flesh falling off/melting/whatever---is in Zechariah, the prophet, second last in the Old Testament. One of the last 3 - 4 chapters. I just finished reading this a few days ago.

Many feel Zechariah is describing the effects of a nuclear blast on the human body...it is eeriely similar to descriptions of what happened to the Japanese civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

who knows what evil  posted on  2006-06-05   7:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: rowdee, who knows what evil (#14)

their blood pooling and rising in the unforgiving brightness of the glory of Christ.

This could not be from Zechariah.

No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison

robin  posted on  2006-06-05   10:13:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: robin, who knows what evil (#16)

I didn't say that quote was from Zechariah. Rather, the bit about the flesh, tongues, and eyes.

I've heard it said, as who knows what evil mentioned, that nuclear explosions would create this. Could be. Could also be Christ saying 'zap'.

rowdee  posted on  2006-06-05   11:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: rowdee (#17)

There's plenty of gore in the OT.

No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison

robin  posted on  2006-06-05   11:56:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: robin (#18)

There's plenty of gore in the OT

Sure....just as there is in life today. :(

It's been said that we're too sensitive today to try to deal with OT killing and murder and mayhem. But hell, is seeing the result of an american's bullet, or anyone elses' for that matter, on a toddler's head any worse that a beheading or a child sacrifice? I exclude the animal sacrifices in the last sentence because it appears they were 'humanely' slaughtered prior to being butchered and offered as offering to God or food to priests, priesthood, or for the purposes (feeding) of the one who gives up the sacrificial animal.

People get squeamish over the idea of 'child sacrifice' and yet don't flinch over aborting an unborn. Doesn't make sense to me. And from what I read, it don't make sense to GOD--and He's the one whose opinion counts.

rowdee  posted on  2006-06-05   12:10:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: rowdee (#19)

People get squeamish over the idea of 'child sacrifice' and yet don't flinch over aborting an unborn. Doesn't make sense to me. And from what I read, it don't make sense to GOD--and He's the one whose opinion counts.

I've observed the same, like that bumper sticker, "be a hero save a whale, save a baby go to jail".

No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare. – James Madison

robin  posted on  2006-06-05   13:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: rowdee, robin (#17)

I didn't say that quote was from Zechariah. Rather, the bit about the flesh, tongues, and eyes.

I've heard it said, as who knows what evil mentioned, that nuclear explosions would create this. Could be. Could also be Christ saying 'zap'.

I think you are referring to this:

Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

http://www.bluelett erbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec014.html#12

I will say I believe it is Christ saying 'zap', whether it through his servants on earth, or personally by Him, I don't know for sure. Which Jerusalem it refers to is the question I have ["rightly divide the scripture"], and I go over this chapter in my head a lot. I have read good arguments for it referring to Old Jerusalem at preteristarchive. However, there is a difference in the number left in the city in Zechariah 13 and in Zechariah 14. Therefore, I think we are talking about two different cities.

Vengeance is mine saith the LORD. If anyone has a problem with that, think of all the problems it would solve: http://freedom4um.com/cgi- bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=28049 :).

I believe Tim LaHaye is a Freemason, leading Christian sheep into hell, and helping to build the Judeo-Masonic New World Order that is planning to liquidate all Christians. He's getting rich leading people to their deaths, physical and spiritual.

See this:

TIM LAHAYE'S MASONIC CONNECTIONS:

http://watch.pair.com/lahaye.html

Note the fecundating cross and crown. See them also under the name of Jesus Christ here:

http://www.asis.com/~stag/royalty.html

Note the Brits say their "royal" line is descended from Zarah, which they think gives them the divine right of kings. [See Psalm 2 - the kings, rulers, and judges of the earth]. Zarah and Pharez were twins coming from the union of Judah and his dead son's wife, Tamar, although at the time Judah did not know this to be the case. Zarah stuck his hand out of the womb first, and the midwife put a scarlet ribbon on his wrist, [sort of like the red Kabbalah bracelet Madonna and others wear]. Subsequently, Pharez came out first, and took his place in the lineup of Christ's ancestors.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen038.html#28

They have one plot after another to keep from recongizing the true King, including this supposed right to rule via the tribe of Judah. Even if it were true, it wouldn't matter. The King has come, and He is not from the tribe of Zarah, OR the House of Windsor:

Gen 49:10 — The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him [shall] the gathering of the people [be].

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Gen/49/10.html

Check the concordance at the verse. Shiloh comes from the root word that means:

1) to be at rest, prosper, be quiet, be at ease

....which fits the prophecy for the coming of Jesus, son of David, to build God's house [know ye not that ye are the temple of God], and that HE WOULD BE A MAN OF REST. David, Solomon, et al took it to mean they should build a temple out of sticks and stones. They REJECTED the STONE that became the Corner, Jesus Christ:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Ki/5/5.html

1Ch 22:7 And David said to Solomon, My son, as for me, it was in my mind to build an house unto the name of the LORD my God:

1Ch 22:8 But the word of the LORD came to me, saying, Thou hast shed blood abundantly, and hast made great wars: thou shalt not build an house unto my name, because thou hast shed much blood upon the earth in my sight.

1Ch 22:9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, [which means PEACEABLE, as in PRINCE OF PEACE: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Ch/22/9.html ] and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.

1Ch 22:10 He shall build an house for my name; and he shall be my son, and I [will be] his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever.

Interestingly, Shiloh is mentioned in the Bible another time, and is from the same root word, and that is this [this is about the terrorists of the tribe of Dan stealing from their brethren their useless idols, etc., sneaking into the peaceful village of Laish, using the children and the cattle as cover (by deception thou shalt do war, Trojan horse, etc.), slaughtered the innocent people within, burned their village and built their own on top of it, renaming it Dan after their father. It is now known as the ARAB city of Tel Al Qadi, which means "hill of the JUDGE", as Dan means "judge", and Dan is THE BASE of this Arab city (following me, anyone?)]:

Jdg 18:27 And they took [the things] which Micah had made, and the priest which he had, and came unto Laish, unto a people [that were] at quiet and secure: and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and burnt the city with fire.

Jdg 18:28 And [there was] no deliverer, because it [was] far from Zidon, and they had no business with [any] man; and it was in the valley that [lieth] by Bethrehob. And they built a city, and dwelt therein.

Jdg 18:29 And they called the name of the city Dan, after the name of Dan their father, who was born unto Israel: howbeit the name of the city [was] Laish at the first.

Jdg 18:30 And the children of Dan set up the graven image: and Jonathan, the son of Gershom, the son of Manasseh, he and his sons were priests to the tribe of Dan until the day of the captivity of the land.

Jdg 18:31 And they set them up Micah's graven image, which he made, all the time that the house of God was in Shiloh.

Jer 7:9 Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not;

Jer 7:10 And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations?

Jer 7:11 Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen [it], saith the LORD.

Jer 7:12 But go ye now unto my place which [was] in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jer/Jer007.html

The JF&B commentary says that because they were far from their brethren, they set up these idols to worship, AS AN EXCUSE not to go up to Shiloh. [ See what the upshot of that will be in the coming years: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec014.html#17 ]

Shiloh = "place of rest"

1) a city in Ephraim and temporary home of the Ark of the Covenant and the Tabernacle, the place where Samuel grew up

Note the cast of characters that went about to build Solomon's temple, a Danite among them:

2Ch 2:3 — And Solomon sent to Huram the king of Tyre, saying, As thou didst deal with David my father, and didst send him cedars to build him an house to dwell therein, [even so deal with me]..... http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Ch/2/3.html

2Ch 2:10 And, behold, I will give to thy servants, the hewers that cut timber, twenty thousand measures of beaten wheat, and twenty thousand measures of barley, and twenty thousand baths of wine, and twenty thousand baths of oil. [Do not HURT THE OIL AND THE WINE until all the work is done for us!]

2Ch 2:11 Then Huram the king of Tyre answered in writing, which he sent to Solomon, Because the LORD hath loved his people, he hath made thee king over them.

2Ch 2:12 Huram said moreover, Blessed [be] the LORD God of Israel, that made heaven and earth, who hath given to David the king a wise son, endued with prudence and understanding, that might build an house for the LORD, and an house for his kingdom.

2Ch 2:13 And now I have sent a cunning man, endued with understanding, of Huram my father's,

2Ch 2:14 The son of a woman of the daughters of Dan, and his father [was] a man of Tyre, skilful to work in gold, and in silver, in brass, in iron, in stone, and in timber, in purple, in blue, and in fine linen, and in crimson; also to grave any manner of graving, and to find out every device which shall be put to him, with thy cunning men, and with the cunning men of my lord David thy father. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Ch/2/14.html [note some of the terms, such gold, purple, blue, fine linen, are also used to describe the Whore of Babylon which was Old Jerusalem.]

2Ch 2:15 Now therefore the wheat, and the barley, the oil, and the wine, which my lord hath spoken of, let him send unto his servants:

2Ch 2:16 And we will cut wood out of Lebanon, as much as thou shalt need: and we will bring it to thee in floats by sea to Joppa; and thou shalt carry it up to Jerusalem.

2Ch 2:17 And Solomon numbered all the strangers that [were] in the land of Israel, [just like they have done with us with their SS#'s] after the numbering wherewith David his father had numbered them; and they were found an hundred and fifty thousand and three thousand and six hundred.

2Ch 2:18 And he set threescore and ten thousand of them [to be] bearers of burdens, and fourscore thousand [to be] hewers in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred overseers to set the people a work. [like they have done with us for the past 400 years, to fund and shed blood for their Judeo- Masonic world-wide kingdom].

Long-winded way of saying there is NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN. All scripture is given for an example. It's basically the same cast of characters trying to build their false kingdom with false worship, on the blood and sweat of others, all for naught, as they, and the devil that deceived them will all meet with the same end:

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

Isa 14:17 [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; [that] opened not the house of his prisoners?

Isa 14:18 All the kings of the nations, [even] all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.

Isa 14:19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, [and as] the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.

Isa 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, [and] slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

Isa 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

Isa 14:22 For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.

Isa 14:23 I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I will sweep it with the besom of destruction, saith the LORD of hosts.

Isa 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, [so] shall it stand:

Isa 14:25 That I will break the Assyrian in my land, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders.

Isa 14:26 This [is] the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this [is] the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations.

Isa 14:27 For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul [it]? and his hand [is] stretched out, and who shall turn it back? ......

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa014.html#12

Eze 28:25 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When I shall have gathered the house of Israel [Christians, including the departed OT saints] from the people among whom they are scattered, and shall be sanctified in them in the sight of the heathen, then shall they dwell in their land that I have given to my servant Jacob. ["everywhere your foot shall tread", but IMO, in particular, America.]

Eze 28:26 And they shall dwell safely therein, and shall build houses, and plant vineyards; yea, they shall dwell with confidence, when I have executed judgments upon all those that despise them round about them; and they shall know that I [am] the LORD their God.

So Tim LaHaye and Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson should enjoy their loot while they can, because the workers of iniquity will be cast out of the House of the LORD forever. I am sorry, but I am to the point that I really don't have a problem with that.

Sorry to be so long-winded, but there is a lot of deception going around based on phony interpretations of the Bible, and it is the root of all the wars going on. I don't know how else to fight it: "Is not my word as a fire that hammereth the rock into pieces?"

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-07   11:25:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: All (#21)

2Ch 2:17 And Solomon numbered all the strangers that [were] in the land of Israel, [just like they have done with us with their SS#'s] after the numbering wherewith David his father had numbered them; and they were found an hundred and fifty thousand and three thousand and six hundred.

2Ch 2:18 And he set threescore and ten thousand of them [to be] bearers of burdens, and fourscore thousand [to be] hewers in the mountain, and three thousand and six hundred overseers to set the people a work. [like they have done with us for the past 400 years, to fund and shed blood for their Judeo- Masonic world-wide kingdom].

Long-winded way of saying there is NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN. All scripture is given for an example. It's basically the same cast of characters trying to build their false kingdom with false worship, on the blood and sweat of others, all for naught, as they, and the devil that deceived them will all meet with the same end:

btw:

Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land [that is] not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

[See THE US IS STILL A BRITISH COLONY and JEWISH INROADS INTO THE BRITISH MONARCHY. "We Jews are not Russian, we are not American. We are ONE NATION]

Gen 15:14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

http://www.blueletter bible.org/tsk_b/Gen/15/13.html

Gal 3:17 And this I say, [that] the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, [i.e., cannot annul] that it should make the promise of none effect.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Gal 3:29 And if ye [be] Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

http://www.blueletterb ible.org/tsk_b/Gal/3/29.html

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2006-06-07   12:13:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#21)

You got the right scriptural quote..thanks.

As for the rest, girl, you put my brain in 'mass overload'. Will bookmark and keep returning for days to attempt to grasp it all. :)

rowdee  posted on  2006-06-07   20:23:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#22)

Re II Ch. 2:17............are you suggesting they were assigned social security type i.d. numbers rather than being numberically counted as in census taking?

rowdee  posted on  2006-06-07   20:25:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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